Speeding, a hypothetical

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

I think your sons got it right to be honest, to me what he's doing is safer then overtaking on the left and cutting in at the last minute.

I see many who move to the right lane as soon as they see the "Left lane ends" sign, cutting of the car in the right lane intending to safely pass before the left lane does end.

So I am teaching him to look in the mirror, see what's happening, and make a safe decision based on what he sees. If, for example someone is intending to overtake, back off, let them through, and then move into the right hand lane when it is safe to do so.

[Bushbasher]

I had a guy, last year, in a new Pajero, doing 90 on the Lincoln Highway and when I went to pass him at 110 he suddenly accelerated as I pulled out so by the time I was level with him he'd matched my speed. I accelerated to get by him and so did he. At 125 he was still on my 1/4 so I had to floor it to pass him. I was not impressed. When I slowed down he passed me again and slowed down to 100 so I floored it and passed him and put some distance between us and he seemed to back off. Once I was about 1km out in front I slowed down to 110 again and he seemed to have slowed down but 2 minutes later he came barrelling up behind me at speed and blew by me going at least 140 and pulled back in sharply just in front of me. The last thing I saw was his missus, (I assume), gesticulating madly and going off her head at him, going by the body language I could see, as he disappeared up the road.
Don't tell me they're not out there here in SA, I've seen different.

Bushbasher

[Bearman]

Option 4. I qualify this with the proviso that I will not increase my speed into license loss territory. I am willing to argue a fine but not willing to risk loss of license.

If I'm light on for demerit points I'll have no choice but to not exceed the speed limit.

[mr smith]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

None, if they were being ********* I would pull over, take a pee, have a smoke, grab a cuppa at a driver reviver and then resume my journey.

I always allow myself a window of time to allow for unforseen holdups etc.

having said that, I have travelled plenty of kilometres and cant remember a time when anyone has 'sped' up in an overtaking lane scenario.

Im starting to think all this poor driver attitude is an eastern states thing as it just doesn't happen here as often as you guys make it out to.

Man, speeding up in an overtaking lane is a Victorian past time. Happens more than not.

[Stefan]

I've taken the overtake a fast as I can at warp speed option many times but while frustrating as **** I try and restrain the urge to mash the pedal these days.

I'd hate the get nabbed at 140 or 150 and spend anything up to 12 months walking, can't get to work, can't pick up kids from school, friends house, soccer etc. Pay a massive fine, declare I lost my license every time I buy insurance.

All to save a bit of time on a long trip.

This is probably the smartest thing to do:

In my younger days if an opportunity to safely blast past them like they were standing still came up i probably would have risked getting pinged and done it, these days as Bent 8 said i would be pulling up to kick the tyres and take a break/snack /kip and resume later , licence is worth to much to me to lose because of some inconsiderate scum bag.

[mr smith]

This overtaking thing has got me thinking as to why is there so many stories about people not liking being overtaken.
Is it because of our culture?
Is it an Australian only thing?
Is it because we are conditioned to: have the fastest car, drink most p*&s, biggest house, best sportsman...etc?
Does this message burn into us so much that any threat to our ego is taken as a challenge to our manhood?
There must be something as people are willing to risk their life.

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by mr smith

this overtaking thing has got me thinking as to why is there so many stories about people not liking being overtaken.
Is it because of our culture?
Is it an australian only thing?
Is it because we are conditioned to: Have the fastest car, drink most p*&s, biggest house, best sportsman...etc?
Does this message burn into us so much that any threat to our ego is taken as a challenge to our manhood?
There must be something as people are willing to risk their life.

power

[prydey]

i think this whole topic is intended to promote argumentative discussion. the OP already knew what types of discussions would be had.

if one ticks a certain box that indicates breaking the law, no doubt this would then be used to incriminate that person should they argue contrary to that in another thread.

[Dash_XR]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

I see many who move to the right lane as soon as they see the "Left lane ends" sign, cutting of the car in the right lane intending to safely pass before the left lane does end.

So I am teaching him to look in the mirror, see what's happening, and make a safe decision based on what he sees. If, for example someone is intending to overtake, back off, let them through, and then move into the right hand lane when it is safe to do so.

Yeah your right that's just as bad, like the people that instantly change lanes on the freeway the second they see brake lights in front of them. Regardless who's next to them.

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

Yeah your right that's just as bad, like the people that instantly change lanes on the freeway the second they see brake lights in front of them. Regardless who's next to them.

His alternative will be the situation described by Bushbasher in post 32 above...

[mr smith]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

power

Yea, but there is more to it than that.

[mr smith]

Originally Posted by prydey

i think this whole topic is intended to promote argumentative discussion. the OP already knew what types of discussions would be had.

if one ticks a certain box that indicates breaking the law, no doubt this would then be used to incriminate that person should they argue contrary to that in another thread.

Don't stress it, flappy loves an argument and this topic in particular
I often disagree with him just for laughs .

[loony888]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

None, if they were being ********* I would pull over, take a pee, have a smoke, grab a cuppa at a driver reviver and then resume my journey.

I always allow myself a window of time to allow for unforseen holdups etc.

having said that, I have travelled plenty of kilometres and cant remember a time when anyone has 'sped' up in an overtaking lane scenario.

Im starting to think all this poor driver attitude is an eastern states thing as it just doesn't happen here as often as you guys make it out to.

CRIKEY!
Someone go steal mary mackillops saint hood, it's definitely more deserved here!

[dylby1]

Right lane, floor it, get past, left lane and resume speed limit.

Allows other people to get through as well and means I don't have to deal with caravans anymore

[loony888]

Originally Posted by mr smith

Man, speeding up in an overtaking lane is a Victorian past time. Happens more than not.

same here in QLD mate! it's almost compulsory if you tow a caravan....

[paule11]

Had to undertake a caravan once heading North up the Cardwell range they are in the overtaking lane doing 35kph. Went left waved at them as I went past they then got in the correct lane

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by flappist

Just to preempt the wowsers who are going to post that this is a very contrived or unlikely scenario, it is not uncommon at all on regional roads in my state (QLD) and interestingly the rego plates on the 4WDs almost always have blue or black characters not maroon.

Presumably in this mythical scenario I would be a ******** who thinks he’s a better driver than everyone else on the road, so I would adopt what seems to be standard practice in QLD: Wait for the narrow bendy bits then pullout to overtake on a blind corner, wait til I have caused oncoming traffic to take evasive action then force my way in front of one of the 4wds and mash on my brakes. Wait for next corner and repeat.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by paule11

Had to undertake

undertakers remove dead bodies.

passing another vehicle is overtaking, regardless of which side you do it on. of course, the left side is illegal in some circumstances, but its still an 'overtake'.

sorry. couldn't help myself.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by mr smith

Yea, but there is more to it than that.

Simple, its a kid's trait, kids love to compete. Childish drivers who wont let anyone pass havent grown up & dont deserve a drivers license..... lol!

To answer the op question, as a youngster i would've blasted past them like they're standing still but these days I wont be blowing my license for anyone or situation (family emergency situations excluded), it'll cost me too much to lose.... I'll let the others past & watch em get busted up the road for exceeding the speed limit passing those idiot caravan drivers who wont pull over when they're holding up traffic.

cheers, Maka

[burnz]

wowsercam for youtube, i'm telling full noise on you flap.

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by mr smith

Yea, but there is more to it than that.

OK then, Not very well endowed...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Presumably in this mythical scenario I would be a ******** who thinks he’s a better driver than everyone else on the road

Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Originally Posted by prydey

i think this whole topic is intended to promote argumentative discussion. the OP already knew what types of discussions would be had.

if one ticks a certain box that indicates breaking the law, no doubt this would then be used to incriminate that person should they argue contrary to that in another thread.

No the purpose of the topic was to get an indication of the REAL thoughts of the members when faced with that particular situation.

Perhaps I should have added "None of your business, I am totally paranoid that something I write will be used in evidence against me should I lie either now or later or just maybe change my position for any number of reasons."

[JAJH]

Reminding those that may need reminding, this is a Ford Forum where many of us (me included) are in a constant pizzing contest to see who has the biggest, baddest, fastest, shiniest, most expensive Ford ever created. Many of us here have stock Fords, and many have heavily modded ones too which will quite easily, comfortably and more importantly, safely exceed the speed limit. I won't for one second deny I have many times been stuck behind a line of traffic and when it is safe and expedient to do so, I will overtake as many as possible. I am an ex-copper, have advanced driver training but don't believe I put myself or anyone at risk when doing so but try to be prepared for the unforeseen should it arise. The least time you spend on the opposite side of the road when overtaking is a no-brainer.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by paule11

This happened to a mate of mine a few weeks ago in his 1954 Landrover stuck behind a caravan doing 85 to 90 . Came to overtaking lane got up to 100 then Landcruiser is up to 100 and laughing at him as he tries to get by then he goes to 110 same thing hits 120km at the end of overtaking lane Landcruiser backs of and my mate is caught by the highway patrol . Landcruiser driver goes past laughing. Mate tells highway patrol what happened and he should have been able to safely pass at 100 and he should not have to do 120 to get past .He told policeman he should not book him but fine the Landcruiser driver with the caravan as people like that will kill someone. Copper agrees said he hears this every day and people like that cause accidents and kill people copper takes off and books the Landcruiser driver

While I agree with this , its the idiot towing the vans and their attitude that annoys me ....
The biggest issue with people towing vans is most don't really have enuf power to tow those big vans and keep to the limit
You can always tell those who take towing big vans seriously when they don't use turboed 4 pots, they use F trucks, dodge rams ,stuff that can handle 3 tonnes towing and have enuf power to handle the massive wind drag
I don't care for how many years people drive for ,it should be mandatory licence up grade and retest for anything towing something more than 2 tonnes

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by flappist

"None of your business, I am totally paranoid that something I write will be used in evidence against me should I lie either now or later or just maybe change my position for any number of reasons."

Can this be added...?

It, it, it's just that I haven't voted yet as I couldn't relate to anything, but now...(stares at ground whilst rolling pebble with toe)

[prydey]

funnily enough, there is a group of people, who no doubt face similar situations every day, and somehow manage deal with it without breaking the law. they are truck drivers. they drive vehicles that are large, heavy and cumbersome, lack any sort of acceleration or performance, and yet they are speed limited to 100 and they travel more km than most on here combined and manage to get by.

how on earth do they do it?

whether you choose to or not, is up to you, but it is possible to stay within the confines of the law, regardless of what argument you might make up to suit your situation.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by JAJH

Reminding those that may need reminding, this is a Ford Forum where many of us (me included) are in a constant pizzing contest to see who has the biggest, baddest, fastest, shiniest, most expensive Ford ever created. Many of us here have stock Fords, and many have heavily modded ones too which will quite easily, comfortably and more importantly, safely exceed the speed limit. I won't for one second deny I have many times been stuck behind a line of traffic and when it is safe and expedient to do so, I will overtake as many as possible. I am an ex-copper, have advanced driver training but don't believe I put myself or anyone at risk when doing so but try to be prepared for the unforeseen should it arise. The least time you spend on the opposite side of the road when overtaking is a no-brainer.

It doesn't really matter for how much power one does or doesn't have
Its the whole "My road" attitude that cause issues
A trip to the big smoke the other day, saw a wombat in a late V8 ford, over take myself, the car in front and the timber jinker truck in front of that
All good and safe IF its a straight, and you can see that far in the distant, but that wasn't the case
Just got in front of the timber truck just a whisker before a left hander and a big truck coming the other way,wouldnt have been a cars distance between this idiot as he pulled back into his lane before the truck on coming past him
We see this all the time out my way,its pretty much double line most roads out here, except the nice long straights the little of those there are
Yet nearly every time we venture on this road theres always someone our side of road , on coming (over taking) when goin around blind corners on every trip now ...

[Jastel]

Bent 8, firstly can you buy me a Lotto ticket please, I will pay you for it when it wins....LOL

Seriously, having just driven from WA to Qld it (the speeding up behaviour on wider/straighter roads) is WAAAAYYY more prevalent East of Adelaide. I put this down to several factors.

Population and simply numbers of vehicles
More hills and twisty roads, the West is pretty flat
Double demerits and less tolerance for speeding from the police
Speed Cameras and Averaging Cameras
Revenue raising from broke governments
and lets face it there is much more to see in the Eastern states so more caravans.

[JAJH]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

It doesn't really matter for how much power one does or doesn't have
Its the whole "My road" attitude that cause issues
every trip now ...

Yes, I agree there are many, many tools on the road that shouldn't be there, but the poll is about what WE would do, not what others DO. My point was only to demonstrate that many of us have very powerful cars that can easily pass a number of cars with little or no effort if needed.

[2011G6E]

If I was confident that there was no cops within sight, I'd do it. It's still speeding, don'tcha know, and evil.

My son got busted for speeding (in my damn Celica...thanks...) when he overtook a dump truck dropping gravel all over the road and doing 90kph. He got up to about 115 in a 100 zone, then dropped back to the speed limit once past. Of course, the car approaching in the distance was a cop car...not a local one (who 99% of the time wouldn't have looked twice) but one that had come in from the coast on escort duty for a wide load. My son told him why he'd overtaken, cop said "You should have stuck to the speed limit then, or sat behind him". Getting showered with gravel. Because that's much safer.

Police here in QLD have repeatedly said there is NO excuse for going one k over the limit, whether it's in an overtaking lane or not.

Thankfully most of the cops inland here take a broader view and if you have overtaken and then dropped back to the limit, they'll not bat an eyelid...I've followed cops doing it myself. It's safe...it's not exactly legal...but it's safe.


Last weekend towing a 12x6 enclosed box trailer chockers with a tonne or more of household stuff from a storage unit we just closed up in Bundy, plus the back of the Triton packed with gear as well, I was doing 90kph. However, when I came to an overtaking lane I would drop back to about 70 or 80 at most and if there was a truck behind us, I'd be on the two way letting him know to overtake, i'd hang back. I got a lot of thank you's that day...better than being a tool and holding everyone up.