86 buyers to flock to new WRX?

[Express]

There is a lot to be said for a great handling car but in truth the 0-100 matters now because you can’t stretch the legs of a car like you could 40 years ago.

Unless you are one of the very small percentage that takes their car to the track, todays restrictive speed limits have paved the way for traffic light warriors


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[Bossxr8]

Yeah, and I can't really see how great it is when you can get flogged from the lights by your everyday shopping trolley hatchback. You need as least some go to back up the intent and looks.

[Xauterus]

By what measure is the 86 slow? How fast do you need a small two litre car to be?
Look at the popularity of the MG T series cars after the Second World War. US service men loved them and took them back to the states because they could drive around anything in their domestic market. They had a 1200cc motor.

The 86 was conceived as a way for Toyota to recapture the youth market in japan. They had been so busy building mobile white goods. Yes Subaru developed the chassis but initially they were not interested in badging it a subaru because it did not fit into their AWD line up and marketing.

Why does the mx5 sell so well when an Aurion would beat it in a drag race? Should we need to drive a drag car?

[Foofiejedi]

I recently went from a tuned GT335 to an 86 and I'd say it has an almost ideal amount of power for it's intended use, a tad more bottom end poke would be nice but half the satisfaction is that you have to work for it.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Foofiejedi

I recently went from a tuned GT335 to an 86 and I'd say it has an almost ideal amount of power for it's intended use, a tad more bottom end poke would be nice but half the satisfaction is that you have to work for it.

From a tuned GT 335 to an 86.
When you first changed over did you have to get out and check if the 86 was moving?



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[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Xauterus

By what measure is the 86 slow? How fast do you need a small two litre car to be?

Comfortably faster than a Camry Hybrid

Originally Posted by Xauterus

Look at the popularity of the MG T series cars after the Second World War. US service men loved them and took them back to the states because they could drive around anything in their domestic market. They had a 1200cc motor.

Dude, that was 70 years ago.

It is slow

It is good

But it needs to be faster to be a man's car. I like the way the headrest reverses so you are comfortable wearing your helmet for extended periods, because if I had one as a track car, I would leave my helmet on until I was safely back in my garage at home.

[Xauterus]

Originally Posted by Foofiejedi

I recently went from a tuned GT335 to an 86 and I'd say it has an almost ideal amount of power for it's intended use, a tad more bottom end poke would be nice but half the satisfaction is that you have to work for it.

Wow thats quite a different car.

Quote Tweeked,

Dude it is the same principle. A bunch of people who only drove heavy yank cars with too much power for the chassis were surprised by a little underpowered car. Is your car totally stock? Tuning companies already have the 86 power to weight better than a Porsche turbo by adding forced induction. Toyota worked with tuners when they developed the car so they could change the power output of the car. Smart business from Toyota. meant they didnt have to warranty a turbo car they knew would get a hard time, leaving it up to the aftermarket comapnies to cover it.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Foofiejedi

I recently went from a tuned GT335 to an 86 and I'd say it has an almost ideal amount of power for it's intended use, a tad more bottom end poke would be nice but half the satisfaction is that you have to work for it.

Thank you.

At least some people are getting the point of the 86, as the designers intended.
As said elsewhere here, with the increasingly restrictive road rules and enforcement, there's a lot to be said for working on a cars handling and chassis dynamics rather than concentrating on how many kilowhosits you can squeeze out of the engine and bragging about that.
Many people sadly don't know what it's like to drive a car that handles really well, but doesn't have much power...it divides the men from the boys and shows the ones who are willing to put a bit of effort in to refine their driving skills and get the best out of what there is in the engine.

That's the way I've gone with my old '82 Celica...it has a taught, sweet chassis, and handles excellently. However, it still only has the standard 21RC engine which puts out about 66kw. All it has done is an old style Ram Flow foam element air cleaner and piles of anti-pollution gear removed. In the shed I have a rebuilt Weber 32/36, but I've just never got motivated to fit it. Similarly, I plan to fit extractors and a full free flowing 2" system, but there's no rush, when the current system rusts out will be enough. A mild cam? Most likely...it's easy to fit one to the 21RC, but it too can wait. I'm just having too much fun with driving it in the twisties like it is, and while a bit of extra power would be nice, I'm not exactly sure it will make it a "better" drive. Maybe a bit quicker, but "better"? Yes...but no...if you know what I mean...

[Nikked]

I was watching Motor Mate today, had some historic footage from the Manx Trophy Rally...

Small, lightweight, 4cly, RWD cars...

Then I thought, what happened?

Today's hottest segment is a bunch of FWD turbo hatch backs...god bless Toyota for the old school simplicity of the 86.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I was watching Motor Mate today, had some historic footage from the Manx Trophy Rally...

Small, lightweight, 4cly, RWD cars...

Then I thought, what happened?

Today's hottest segment is a bunch of FWD turbo hatch backs...god bless Toyota for the old school simplicity of the 86.

Is it just me or does anyone else wish Ford would built another RWD Capri...like the English (and later German) ones we used to get here?

[Express]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Is it just me or does anyone else wish Ford would built another RWD Capri...like the English (and later German) ones we used to get here?

It's just you.



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[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Express

It's just you.



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That's alright then...

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

(My bold).

Exactly the point right there...until we change more peoples perceptions that somehow in the real world on real heavily policed roads that 0-100 and quarter mile straight line times aren't the be-all and end-all most important things about a car, the 86 will continue to be a niche model.
In a sane world (technically, the way the sports car world used to be when the Brits ruled the waves) that valued chassis dynamics and handling over outright power, it would sell gangbusters.

These days you can't throw your car about on the road either, so without being able to enjoy it's well balanced chassis, in that sense the 86 really is a sheep in wolfs clothing.

On the roads, I'd prefer a big horsepower car that handles like a boat than a underpowered go kart.

It's due to our roads and rules, you can only really give your car a decent squirt for a few seconds max, so when you do, you want it to blast away. Not drive like a corolla sportivo.

[Vormund]

Hmm so I guess it's just me throwing my 86 around like a madman. Best bit, don't even need to break any speed limits.

Seriously though, had heaps of fun through the Adelaide hills on Saturday as well. Man the other guys in their 86's had more balls than I did.

I need grippier tyres lol.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Vormund

Hmm so I guess it's just me throwing my 86 around like a madman. Best bit, don't even need to break any speed limits.

Seriously though, had heaps of fun through the Adelaide hills on Saturday as well. Man the other guys in their 86's had more balls than I did.

I need grippier tyres lol.

I thought having low grip on such a low powered car was the whole idea of the 86.

Give me my 135i any day over an 86.
It may not have the reputation of the 86 but it does feel good through the twisties and I can at least power slide out of a bend if I choose to.


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[Maka]

The 86 is THE perfect blank canvas for enthusiusts & tuners alike, this car can be a twisty, drifty demon! That price difference between the two can be used to bring the 86 up to "your" spec... yehaa!

cheers, Maka

[forum@tyretrader]

After going for a test drive in the 86, I have to say I was very impressed, except for the power...just couldn't get past how slow it felt.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Maka

The 86 is THE perfect blank canvas for enthusiusts & tuners alike, this car can be a twisty, drifty demon! That price difference between the two can be used to bring the 86 up to "your" spec... yehaa!

cheers, Maka

No doubt a bit of money thrown at an 86 will get as much or even more power and brakes to match the 6 pots of the 135i for the track but it won’t get the creature comforts built into the BMW which makes it a pleasure for everyday driving.

I’m not rubbishing the 86, it’s just not the car for me unless I was buying it for a dedicated track car only.
Though the two young girls around the corner from me who have them (1 on her P’s) thinks they are great.


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[Vormund]

Originally Posted by Express

I thought having low grip on such a low powered car was the whole idea of the 86.

Give me my 135i any day over an 86.
It may not have the reputation of the 86 but it does feel good through the twisties and I can at least power slide out of a bend if I choose to.


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To a degree yes the lack of grip is what makes it fun, but on tight twisting bends those same tyres didn't give me confidence. I've only done about 2500k's so maybe I just need more time with the car. Although that didn't bother the others running the same tyres. heh. The 86 is designed to have enough space for 4 spare wheels for track days with the seats folded down though.

Bit funny comparing the 135i considering the price difference. Which I'm not sure why it gets overlooked so much. This car is the price of a mid-upper spec Focus/Mazda3/Corolla at it's starting price. There really isn't anything comparable around the 30k mark. You could say the fact you compared it with a $75k car is a good thing though.

[Express]

I’ve never driven an 86 and even if I had I’m one of those people who believes a test drive teaches little, it’s by owning a car that you learn its true pros and cons.

But I have no doubts about the 86 doing the job it is intended to do and doing it well, as many knowledgeable people around the world have testified too that.

Of cause it’s not in the price range of the 135i and really I shouldn’t be comparing the two. I only did as I find the 135i a good mover through corners and you are right, if I do make that comparison then the 86 must be bloody good for its price range.


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[chevypower]

The thread title is ambiguous, I took it to mean 86 people were interested in buying the new WRX. With awesome styling like that, they could at least surpass 90.

[futura]

Originally Posted by chevypower

The thread title is ambiguous, I took it to mean 86 people were interested in buying the new WRX. With awesome styling like that, they could at least surpass 90.

Thats too funny..

[futura]

Originally Posted by chevypower

The thread title is ambiguous, I took it to mean 86 people were interested in buying the new WRX. With awesome styling like that, they could at least surpass 90.

Thats too funny..

[superfly]

Originally Posted by Express

Of cause it’s not in the price range of the 135i and really I shouldn’t be comparing the two. I only did as I find the 135i a good mover through corners and you are right, if I do make that comparison then the 86 must be bloody good for its price range.


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Then you should look at the WRX instead. It will whoop your 135 on the corners especially in the wet. Plus you get 4 doors so it's more convenient. And pocket $30K.

[Express]

Originally Posted by superfly

Then you should look at the WRX instead. It will whoop your 135 on the corners especially in the wet. Plus you get 4 doors so it's more convenient. And pocket $30K.

And end up with a crappy built car with none of the luxury and a unhappy Mrs as she uses it as a daily shopping trolley.

Personally I wouldn’t want any of them, V8’s only for me.



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[MAD]

Problem solved

http://www.lsxtv.com/features/car-fe...-subaru-brz06/

[forum@tyretrader]

I was really hoping that the brz sti was going to be turbo or tweaked significantly in term of engine output....both the brz and 86 are brilliant cars for what they are in my opinion.

[superfly]

Is this the new WRX? Taken from Drive.

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor..._newsletter_v1

[SantoAU]

Originally Posted by MAD

Problem solved

http://www.lsxtv.com/features/car-fe...-subaru-brz06/
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[Bossxr8]

If that's it then it will be a massive disappointment.