QPol Must Now Meet Quotas..

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by superyob

Quotas are not just applicable to the police force. Most state run organisations are demanding 'quotas' be met. The 'state' pays for much mandatory professional development across many areas of its jurisdiction and expects commensurate results...

Correct - but policing is different to a council ensuring enough pot holes are repaired, or a human services officer reveiwing 10 cases a day.

A police officer should view each act individually and take actions based on evidence. Whether or not enough other people are committing enough offences should not change the way he or she views one individual act. This causes flippant "offences" such as leaving your window 1cm too low to be prosecuted. This just makes the force look like revenue collecting puppets.

If everyone is behaving in a given period, why should the Police have to manufacture offences to hit a quota? - it can lead down a very slippery path.

[mik]

I wonder how much politics is involved in this sporadic piggy bank filling for the state, I wouldn't blame the cops, they take their orders from higher up like the rest of us, no doubt there must be someone prodding the commisioner???

[DJM83]

The quota should be the lowest wins, that would prove that all the ridiculous laws they put in place (like speeding) are working....
But we all know that wont happen.

[2011G6E]

Oh come on...they're not "quotas".

They're "targets"...they're "score sheets"...they're "better record keeping systems"...


But not "quotas"...don't be silly...

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Sounding a bit like Queensland to be honest.... Where arbitrary detention is legal, freedom to associate is abolished, the right to a fair trial is only if you have enough money, you can only own or work in what businesses the state says you can work in, where cops stop you entering a business to ask you why your going in there, where they are legally allowed to strip search, and photograph you regardless of having committed a crime...
Freedom of speech? Taken at your own risk...

You forgot the confiscation and destruction of legally owned property by government agencies.

It is sounding like its on the road to a police state to me.

If my memory of history is not too vague, didn't Hitler start this way well before any cannons were fired? The gradual erosion of peoples rights until people were afraid to speak up until it was too late. Hitler was elected he didn't take over the country with an army.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Correct - but policing is different to a council ensuring enough pot holes are repaired, or a human services officer reveiwing 10 cases a day.

A police officer should view each act individually and take actions based on evidence. Whether or not enough other people are committing enough offences should not change the way he or she views one individual act. This causes flippant "offences" such as leaving your window 1cm too low to be prosecuted. This just makes the force look like revenue collecting puppets.

If everyone is behaving in a given period, why should the Police have to manufacture offences to hit a quota? - it can lead down a very slippery path.

i love being an old dude

P Platers take up the slack with KPIs

[superyob]

Originally Posted by noflac52

You forgot the confiscation and destruction of legally owned property by government agencies.

It is sounding like its on the road to a police state to me.

If my memory of history is not too vague, didn't Hitler start this way well before any cannons were fired? The gradual erosion of peoples rights until people were afraid to speak up until it was too late. Hitler was elected he didn't take over the country with an army.

No comparison. The subject is to big to document here though. Completely different circumstances and social value systems were in place back then...

[2011G6E]

I'm always vaguely worried that one day some politician, backed by a "horror road toll weekend" or "hoon death" event will come up with the brilliant idea to "do something tangible, something serious"...like maybe confiscation on a wide scale, or make previously legal vehicles (ie: modded ones) now illegal and to be deregistered, not allowed on public roads ever again. Some people like enthusiasts will be up in arms about it...taking away peoples legally owned private property and destroying it. The very idea!!

The politician...or group of politicians...will realise this isn't a popular idea and wonder how they could get away with doing it.

And he'll remember something...namely that a very similar idea has been done before in recent history.

Back in 1996, hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens woke up to find that items they legally owned, worth quite substantial sums of money, practically all of them used for quite innocent purposes, were suddenly "illegal", and if they continued to keep them, they would become outlaws. The items had to be handed in to police stations and official collection areas, and if you liked, you could come out the back and watch them get crushed...yay! What fun!
Oh, you were given a token sum in "payment" so the government could "buy back" something from you which you owned, a sum the government thought your property was worth, but nothing made up for losing what had until that day been perfectly legal items that you had owned and cared for over a period of many years. The public went right along with it, as it was "in the national interest" and doctors groups supported the idea as it "would create a safer society". Politicians rushed through the laws banning these items, and openly said they needed it done quickly, before people had time to "sit back and debate the issue and think too long about it"...they had to strike while public outrage was high, and while people would accept laws and restrictions which "would only affect a minority of people".


If you can't see how this could bite us on the bum one day by something similar being easily done, you aren't thinking hard enough...

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by cs123

If the police commissioner is pushing the police to write more tickets and investigate more crime won't the stats show an increase in crime rather than a 10% decrease?

on the other side of the coin, how do you make sure your officers are out 'working' rather than sleeping on the side of the road somewhere? if it's totally necessary, it's probably ok to have quotas, but that quota should NEVER be how much money they can make in a shift.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

it's probably ok to have quotas, but that quota should NEVER be how much money they can make in a shift.

So what happens if and when the good officer cannot find anybody breaking a road rule - what is the result of missing the quota?

Now picture this officer the next day when pickings are again slim but he sees someone "nearly" breaking the road rule.............

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by tweeked

So what happens if and when the good officer cannot find anybody breaking a road rule - what is the result of missing the quota?

Now picture this officer the next day when pickings are again slim but he sees someone "nearly" breaking the road rule.............

Exactly the point why quotas should NEVER be linked to police fines/charges. It's just asking for corruption to creep in.
As for doubt over things, that's the whole way speed cameras work...they rely on not stopping you immediately when you're detected allegedly speeding. They rely on simple human weaknesses of memory. Quick...think back two weeks ago, at 3.54pm...how fast were you driving at that moment? Exactly how fast? Not a rough guess, down to the last kilometer, at that moment in time.

When you get a photo in the mail weeks later, the staggering majority of people will just believe the lie they have been told about the infallibility and absolute 100% accuracy of a speed camera, and push aside any niggling doubts they had about their speed (not that they will remember it with any detail). They'll pay up, assuming that they might have drifted over the limit, and "ordure occurs".
That's why the vast majority of speeding fines are less than 10kph over the limit...people will accept that maybe they did let their speed drift a bit, and will pay the fine. The whole system works on keeping doubt in yourself.

Now, bring in a system where coppers have to meet targets, and one of two things will happen.
First, police will be keeping a much closer eye on traffic offences, and catch more people to meet their quotas...sorry, "targets". This will be the result of more feet on the ground and higher scrutiny of peoples driving habits and behaviour. Not a huge amount to argue with there I suppose.

Or Second...well...I think you can all guess what the other alternative is to meet quotas...

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I'm always vaguely worried that one day some politician, backed by a "horror road toll weekend" or "hoon death" event will come up with the brilliant idea to "do something tangible, something serious"...like maybe confiscation on a wide scale, or make previously legal vehicles (ie: modded ones) now illegal and to be deregistered, not allowed on public roads ever again. Some people like enthusiasts will be up in arms about it...taking away peoples legally owned private property and destroying it. The very idea!!

The politician...or group of politicians...will realise this isn't a popular idea and wonder how they could get away with doing it.

And he'll remember something...namely that a very similar idea has been done before in recent history.

Back in 1996, hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens woke up to find that items they legally owned, worth quite substantial sums of money, practically all of them used for quite innocent purposes, were suddenly "illegal", and if they continued to keep them, they would become outlaws. The items had to be handed in to police stations and official collection areas, and if you liked, you could come out the back and watch them get crushed...yay! What fun!
Oh, you were given a token sum in "payment" so the government could "buy back" something from you which you owned, a sum the government thought your property was worth, but nothing made up for losing what had until that day been perfectly legal items that you had owned and cared for over a period of many years. The public went right along with it, as it was "in the national interest" and doctors groups supported the idea as it "would create a safer society". Politicians rushed through the laws banning these items, and openly said they needed it done quickly, before people had time to "sit back and debate the issue and think too long about it"...they had to strike while public outrage was high, and while people would accept laws and restrictions which "would only affect a minority of people".


If you can't see how this could bite us on the bum one day by something similar being easily done, you aren't thinking hard enough...

Exactamunday !!! Well articulated...
(Flappist reincarnation right there)
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[superyob]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I'm always vaguely worried that one day some politician, backed by a "horror road toll weekend" or "hoon death" event will come up with the brilliant idea to "do something tangible, something serious"...like maybe confiscation on a wide scale, or make previously legal vehicles (ie: modded ones) now illegal and to be deregistered, not allowed on public roads ever again. Some people like enthusiasts will be up in arms about it...taking away peoples legally owned private property and destroying it. The very idea!!

The politician...or group of politicians...will realise this isn't a popular idea and wonder how they could get away with doing it.

And he'll remember something...namely that a very similar idea has been done before in recent history.

Back in 1996, hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens woke up to find that items they legally owned, worth quite substantial sums of money, practically all of them used for quite innocent purposes, were suddenly "illegal", and if they continued to keep them, they would become outlaws. The items had to be handed in to police stations and official collection areas, and if you liked, you could come out the back and watch them get crushed...yay! What fun!
Oh, you were given a token sum in "payment" so the government could "buy back" something from you which you owned, a sum the government thought your property was worth, but nothing made up for losing what had until that day been perfectly legal items that you had owned and cared for over a period of many years. The public went right along with it, as it was "in the national interest" and doctors groups supported the idea as it "would create a safer society". Politicians rushed through the laws banning these items, and openly said they needed it done quickly, before people had time to "sit back and debate the issue and think too long about it"...they had to strike while public outrage was high, and while people would accept laws and restrictions which "would only affect a minority of people".

If you can't see how this could bite us on the bum one day by something similar being easily done, you aren't thinking hard enough...

I understand what you are saying here but totally disagree. The price for retaining your 'legally owned' property has been far to high to pay. Along with a right comes responsibility, so if you are using your 'legally owned' property in a manner that could harm my family, I could not give a spit if you lose it... In fact I applaud the confiscation measures...

Back in the day I had an 8mm Mauser, a Winchester 30-30 and a semi auto 22. The difference between me and a small vocal minority was that I did not measure the size of my 'appendage' by the amount or calibre of my rifles...

[MercurySilver]

S.C.M.O.D.S.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by superyob

I understand what you are saying here but totally disagree. The price for retaining your 'legally owned' property has been far to high to pay. Along with a right comes responsibility, so if you are using your 'legally owned' property in a manner that could harm my family, I could not give a spit if you lose it... In fact I applaud the confiscation measures...

Back in the day I had an 8mm Mauser, a Winchester 30-30 and a semi auto 22. The difference between me and a small vocal minority was that I did not measure the size of my 'appendage' by the amount or calibre of my rifles...

So...you would have no problem being forced to de-register or turn in for destruction your modified car just because some "hoons" do the wrong thing then? Because the government could do that tomorrow if they so wished with the stroke of a bureaucratic pen, easily and quickly, with minimum fuss.

Come to that, they've already tried to limit or "outlaw" modifications in a small but rather effective way...not sure about cars, but with motorbikes there were serious proposals to change laws to only allow "approved" original parts to be used as replacement bits on motorbikes to stop people modifying their bikes. This would mean that when your exhaust system rusted out, you could ONLY go back to the manufacturer and order a brand new original part item from them. If there was no supply left or they had stopped making the part you need? Too bad. I think it was called "type approval" and only original stock standard parts from the original maker would have been allowed to be fitted.
I think I did hear something about this with cars, and the usual example was, again, the exhaust system, along the lines of "can you imagine the cost just to replace a muffler if you could ONLY buy it over the counter as a factory part from Ford?". Yes...just imagine...
Thankfully that idea died...but it still lurks just below the surface and will rise again one day, you can be assured of that.

The "price" for me retaining my "legally owned property" (the pump action shotgun I used to own for example) is NOT "too high" to pay. Anyway, who "pays it"? How in any remote way does a criminal misusing an item...be it a car or a gun...somehow lead to it being a good idea to take everyones rights away?

As we gun owners said at the time...bring in mandatory sentencing for misuse of firearms, bring in an automatic doubling of sentences if a gun is used in commission of a crime, make it a more serious offence to criminally misuse a firearm...but why does Joe Blow who owns a couple of old rifles and visits the range one a month have to "pay the price" the same as real criminals?

Same with cars...time and again I see comments on this and other forums about how hoon crackdowns are leading to law abiding drivers being actively targeted and victimised because of the actions of a few bad eggs, when the law could just concentrate on the misuse of the car instead of just targeting the type of car being used in a widespread scattergun everybody-loses way.


Again I'll ask...would you have no problem happily giving up your modified cars just to placate some government push to "get rid of the hoon menace from our roads once and for all"?

[GREGL]

[QUOTE=2011G6E;4983052]I'm always vaguely worried that one day some politician, backed by a "horror road toll weekend" or "hoon death" event will come up with the brilliant idea to "do something tangible, something serious"...like maybe confiscation on a wide scale, or make previously legal vehicles (ie: modded ones) now illegal and to be deregistered, not allowed on public roads ever again. Some people like enthusiasts will be up in arms about it...taking away peoples legally owned private property and destroying it. The very idea!!

The politician...or group of politicians...will realise this isn't a popular idea and wonder how they could get away with doing it.

And he'll remember something...namely that a very similar idea has been done before in recent history.

Back in 1996, hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens woke up to find that items they legally owned, worth quite substantial sums of money, practically all of them used for quite innocent purposes, were suddenly "illegal", and if they continued to keep them, they would become outlaws. The items had to be handed in to police stations and official collection areas, and if you liked, you could come out the back and watch them get crushed...yay! What fun!
Oh, you were given a token sum in "payment" so the government could "buy back" something from you which you owned, a sum the government thought your property was worth, but nothing made up for losing what had until that day been perfectly legal items that you had owned and cared for over a period of many years. The public went right along with it, as it was "in the national interest" and doctors groups supported the idea as it "would create a safer society". Politicians rushed through the laws banning these items, and openly said they needed it done quickly, before people had time to "sit back and debate the issue and think too long about it"...they had to strike while public outrage was high, and while people would accept laws and restrictions which "would only affect a minority of people".


Why anyone would need a semi auto or pump in Australia is beyond me , at least now the coppers have a reasonable idea of what their dealing with in a siege situation , unlike the states . I shared a house with a gun nut at the time ( gun club member ) who attended the Belmont rifle range a few times a year . what did he take along a 22 bolt action . At home sat a SLR , a pump
and half a dozen other guns that were big bore .
He had to hand them in but as far as I know he is still alive and hasn't been the victim of a home invasion which was his justification for having them .
Life goes on mate and apart from the fact that some people lost money at the time our little part of the world is a safer place for it .
As far as police state goes the days of being able to get away with the stuff the police FORCE did in the past is now easily countered by technology . Everyones got a iphone and instant access to the net so those days are long gone .
Keep your nose clean , don't back chat and use the resources available these days to counter what you believe is unfair attention . The unfortunate part about it is that it doesn't matter who governs the same scenarios will still crop up !

[dragons90]

What about the greens plan to ban semi auto pistols because they quote "competition shooters only shoot a single shoot"
Shows they've never been to a range and watched rapid fire or duelling.
they state there's 10000 hand guns in the illegal market yet banning legal guns considering the hoops you have to jump through to own one now won't change that.

[GREGL]

You modify your car within the regs and drive within the law your fine . Do the same and get caught doing something unsavoury you takes your chances , same as has been since the model T . Everyone that plays with their car should know this , after all you do it for the attention to begin with which also draws the attention of Mr plod .
Modify it outside the law and well what do you expect . The qld regs haven't changed much in the last 20 years however driver attitude certainly has .

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

i love being an old dude

P Platers take up the slack with KPIs

Usually the ones with Falcons/Commodores slammed and on 20" chrome wheels so the rest of us P platers with illegal performance mods fly under the radar, lol.

Remember QLD you voted for the guy, .

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by GREGL

You modify your car within the regs and drive within the law your fine . Do the same and get caught doing something unsavoury you takes your chances , same as has been since the model T . Everyone that plays with their car should know this , after all you do it for the attention to begin with which also draws the attention of Mr plod .
Modify it outside the law and well what do you expect . The qld regs haven't changed much in the last 20 years however driver attitude certainly has .

The only problem is that police don't generally bother to look only for law breakers anymore. They used to keep an eye out mainly for idiots, but that became too hard. Now they just look at the car you're driving. Everyone is a target purely because you drive a modified car.

There is also the worrying fact that a large proportion of the general public see no point in modifying cars at all, which is why hoon laws and similar restrictions just fly through so easily.


I don't want this to descend into a "guns are evil" thing. The link I was trying to make about the introduction of gun laws should have been obvious...law abiding owners of "an object" went to bed one night and they had a legally owned item, and the next day they had to turn up and hand in their now-illegal object because the government decided they couldn't be trusted with it anymore. They hadn't broken the law, the PM at the time (Howard) said to his cabinet in discussions that "We are about to upset many law abiding owners who have never and will never break the law"...but they still passed laws restricting everyone from owning that type of object, when it was only an extremely tiny number of owners who ever did anything wrong.

As with hoon laws, there was also the fact that those intent on breaking the laws would never comply with them anyway, so hundreds of thousands of law abiding owners destroy and get rid of their now-illegal property, while those who didn't care about the laws and who we should be worried about just ignored the law and kept their "items".
This is what we see with hoon laws...every time the cops have a proud segment on the TV news or in the local paper showing them confiscating "hoons cars" you don't see nicely modded expensive vehicles, or even the stereotypical WRX or Skyline...you see rustbuckets and ratty old family cars.
The "genuine" modifier has had to pay for the misdeeds of a small minority...again, as with the gun laws, because they are the really visible ones who the authorities know will probably do their best to obey the law anyway and are a soft target that can easily make the government look like they're "doing something about the problem"....

Now, leaving debates about guns out of it and purely considering the way the laws affected people who hadn't done anything wrong, can you see where I'm going with this?

[pottery beige]

i love sleepy old radelaide

our bikies are behaving

they only crush **** boxes

and dont pick on old dudes in modded cars

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

The only problem is that police don't generally bother to look only for law breakers anymore. They used to keep an eye out mainly for idiots, but that became too hard. Now they just look at the car you're driving. Everyone is a target purely because you drive a modified car.

There is also the worrying fact that a large proportion of the general public see no point in modifying cars at all, which is why hoon laws and similar restrictions just fly through so easily.


I don't want this to descend into a "guns are evil" thing. The link I was trying to make about the introduction of gun laws should have been obvious...law abiding owners of "an object" went to bed one night and they had a legally owned item, and the next day they had to turn up and hand in their now-illegal object because the government decided they couldn't be trusted with it anymore. They hadn't broken the law, the PM at the time (Howard) said to his cabinet in discussions that "We are about to upset many law abiding owners who have never and will never break the law"...but they still passed laws restricting everyone from owning that type of object, when it was only an extremely tiny number of owners who ever did anything wrong.

As with hoon laws, there was also the fact that those intent on breaking the laws would never comply with them anyway, so hundreds of thousands of law abiding owners destroy and get rid of their now-illegal property, while those who didn't care about the laws and who we should be worried about just ignored the law and kept their "items".
This is what we see with hoon laws...every time the cops have a proud segment on the TV news or in the local paper showing them confiscating "hoons cars" you don't see nicely modded expensive vehicles, or even the stereotypical WRX or Skyline...you see rustbuckets and ratty old family cars.
The "genuine" modifier has had to pay for the misdeeds of a small minority...again, as with the gun laws, because they are the really visible ones who the authorities know will probably do their best to obey the law anyway and are a soft target that can easily make the government look like they're "doing something about the problem"....

Now, leaving debates about guns out of it and purely considering the way the laws affected people who hadn't done anything wrong, can you see where I'm going with this?

Yes your saying the majority are being Punished for a minority's actions that holds true with most laws tho we should discourage anti social behavior by these dhs on public roads and come down hard on themselves as car modifiers to protect our way of life instead most people on this forum support stupid actions on roads long as its the right time and place hey long as they speed at 234kms in Adelaide on the right bit of road or do the burnout on that empty block of land you can't have it both ways

[pottery beige]

^^^ lol you knob

[BHDOGS]

You might be old but I knew you'd come running haha

[irish2]

[QUOTE=GREGL;4983347]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I'm always vaguely worried that one day some politician, backed by a "horror road toll weekend" or "hoon death" event will come up with the brilliant idea to "do something tangible, something serious"...like maybe confiscation on a wide scale, or make previously legal vehicles (ie: modded ones) now illegal and to be deregistered, not allowed on public roads ever again. Some people like enthusiasts will be up in arms about it...taking away peoples legally owned private property and destroying it. The very idea!!

The politician...or group of politicians...will realise this isn't a popular idea and wonder how they could get away with doing it.

And he'll remember something...namely that a very similar idea has been done before in recent history.

Back in 1996, hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens woke up to find that items they legally owned, worth quite substantial sums of money, practically all of them used for quite innocent purposes, were suddenly "illegal", and if they continued to keep them, they would become outlaws. The items had to be handed in to police stations and official collection areas, and if you liked, you could come out the back and watch them get crushed...yay! What fun!
Oh, you were given a token sum in "payment" so the government could "buy back" something from you which you owned, a sum the government thought your property was worth, but nothing made up for losing what had until that day been perfectly legal items that you had owned and cared for over a period of many years. The public went right along with it, as it was "in the national interest" and doctors groups supported the idea as it "would create a safer society". Politicians rushed through the laws banning these items, and openly said they needed it done quickly, before people had time to "sit back and debate the issue and think too long about it"...they had to strike while public outrage was high, and while people would accept laws and restrictions which "would only affect a minority of people".


Why anyone would need a semi auto or pump in Australia is beyond me , at least now the coppers have a reasonable idea of what their dealing with in a siege situation , unlike the states . I shared a house with a gun nut at the time ( gun club member ) who attended the Belmont rifle range a few times a year . what did he take along a 22 bolt action . At home sat a SLR , a pump
and half a dozen other guns that were big bore .
He had to hand them in but as far as I know he is still alive and hasn't been the victim of a home invasion which was his justification for having them .
Life goes on mate and apart from the fact that some people lost money at the time our little part of the world is a safer place for it .
As far as police state goes the days of being able to get away with the stuff the police FORCE did in the past is now easily countered by technology . Everyones got a iphone and instant access to the net so those days are long gone .
Keep your nose clean , don't back chat and use the resources available these days to counter what you believe is unfair attention . The unfortunate part about it is that it doesn't matter who governs the same scenarios will still crop up !

No they do not. If you think there are no more high power rifles, pump actions, or machine guns in the hands of Australian criminals, then you are a little simple.

The difference now is, the criminals know that they can break and enter with impunity if they have any sort of gun, as even homeowners with guns need to have theirs locked up, and the ammo locked away elsewhere.

FFS even a paintball gun needs to be registered and in a locked and bolted down safe.

[dragons90]

The think with legal guns is the cops will know their there before they go to a house and can take precautions, with illegal guns they don't know till it's to late.

[csv8]

This is the difference between America and Australia..Friends legally have : Nagant revolver, AK47, AR 15 and a Galil rifle. They go out in the desert and have fun !!! Try that here !!!

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by tweeked

So what happens if and when the good officer cannot find anybody breaking a road rule - what is the result of missing the quota?

Now picture this officer the next day when pickings are again slim but he sees someone "nearly" breaking the road rule.............

I don't really believe that the average Australian driver is that good that there could be a shortage of obvious traffic offences for a traffic officer to spot on a given shift. I don't really think the pickings would ever get that slim - especially in Queensland!

Russ

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by superyob

No comparison. The subject is to big to document here though. Completely different circumstances and social value systems were in place back then...

I'm not making a comparison. I am just pointing out what can and does happen the world over when complacency sets in and people take their eye off what their government is doing.

So you seem to be saying that those social values and circumstances will never happen again!

I believe that a mind set like that is the first step to allowing it to happen. All governments need to have their wings clipped regularly to keep them from believing that they own the country and can pass any laws that they come up with.
We already have numerous bad laws and politicians are passing more each day.

All the new bikie laws are totally unnecessary as we already have numerous laws to deal with this particular problem. We now have a scenario where anyone congregating can be harassed by authorities if they see fit. Not affiliated with any commission of crime.
Innocent people can be targeted because there is a law that allows the authorities to do so. All it would take is politicians with a dislike of a certain group of people to push the agenda and the police would be required to act.

Hey this is starting to sound a bit like Germany in the early part of last century!

I realise that last bit is an over emphasis to what is happening here atm but it demonstrates the point I make pretty plainly.

We need to pay attention to the direction our politicians are taking us!

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

I don't really believe that the average Australian driver is that good that there could be a shortage of obvious traffic offences for a traffic officer to spot on a given shift. I don't really think the pickings would ever get that slim - especially in Queensland!

Russ

Referring to the quotas that never existed in NSW. A copper friend of mine once told me that they had a special spot that they would go to get their fines for the day up to par if they were a bit short on, to avoid getting a rap over the knuckles from their more senior members.
It was a good section of country road where the speed limit was set artificially low. Because of this they were assured of one or two drivers drifting over the limit because of the situation. On the other hand they didn't normally target this spot because they all knew that it was unfair to people because of the speed limit being incorrectly posted but quotas that didn't exist forced them to head there sometimes.