2013 was worst sales year for Holden's locally built models

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

No conspiracy theory. Sales of six cylinder Commodores have plunged approximately 75% since the VX model. Sales of V8 Commodores are still going strong and take a bigger percentage of Commodore sales in 2013 than they did in 2002.

Next time think before you post.

the engine never changed in the VY 02,03, maybe heed your own advice.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by burnz

the engine never changed in the vy 02,03, maybe heed your own advice.

Originally Posted by syndrome

interesting. The sales slides almost coincides with the introduction of the hfv6 engine (alloytech) from the vz.

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[burnz]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

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the VX was up against the AU!
later models were against the BA..

see a pattern here...

nothing to do with an engine!

[2011G6E]

Fuel prices don't count as much these days. Our G6E got the best fuel economy of just about any car we've ever owned (the tiny 1953 Austin A30 doesn't count). When a large sedan can get down around the 8ltr/100 on a steady highway trip, it's not fuel that's an issue. It wasn't with us...it's just that style of car didn't suit us anymore, but a twin cab ute with canopy does. However, it too gets great economy...but go back ten years and I would have never considered a twin cab, but given that now they're just as comfortable as cars and have none of the old limitations of four wheel drives, and it's obvious why they're being sold in such big numbers.

Public needs and wants change, and the factory should be able to look at least a bit into the future and not just keep plodding along doing things the way they've always done.

[zilo]

8l/100km on a steady trip ain't the barometer for a vehicle purchase.

it's the cost of a week of city commuting that is the focus these days.

Your G6e would be lucky to get less than 14L/100km in that case.

that's where commodore and falcon have fallen out of favour with buyers.

[FGX-351]

Originally Posted by DJM83

That fuel price wouldnt get me into a falcon or a commodore or any big car. Probably not much would.

Was purely hypothetical but i've had a chance recently to see some Focus STs up close, I dont blame you.
They're a nice car!

[Angeldust]

Originally Posted by zilo

8l/100km on a steady trip ain't the barometer for a vehicle purchase.

it's the cost of a week of city commuting that is the focus these days.

Your G6e would be lucky to get less than 14L/100km in that case.

that's where commodore and falcon have fallen out of favour with buyers.

my vz 6.0 gets about 15l/100 in those conditions. During the christmas period, when the traffic was a lot lighter, my daily commute to work saw a fuel economy of 13.1 ltr/100k's at an average of 41.2k's an hour. In my e46 6cyl 2.3ltr bmw the fuel consumption for the same trip is about 10lts/100k's. Thats the price we pay and it ain't much. I was at the ligths next to a porsche suv (cayenne?) and i was laughing when its engine turned off for a few seconds while stopped at the lights. Who the hell spends so much on a car and the worries about saving a poofteenth in fuel? which is arguably the cheapset thing that they would put into their SUV porcshe....

[jpd80]

I wonder bout the role Oil companies have in encouraging a change in buying trands that suits their ends...

1) The decline of large cars and their greater fuel consumption, replaced by the rise of small efficent petrol cars..

2) The decline in petrol driven SUVs and Light Trucks which are now mostly replaced by either efficient petrol or diesel engines.

3) Government subsidizing of retro fitting LPG to petrol vehicles as a way of reducing fuel consumption..


This relentless drive for ever increasing fuel efficiency comes at a cost to the oil companies by reducing volume and
when that happens, the main push back policy is to review buying trends and adjust pricing to maintain current profit levels.

Even if the total volume of product is less, profit remains the same or higher meaning Oil companies are the great winners out of this.
Any benefit a driver thinks they are making by saving fuel blows out a cost in another area, be that vehicle cost or fuel cost
and tha's before we even look at government income from exccise being reduced...

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by zilo

8l/100km on a steady trip ain't the barometer for a vehicle purchase.

it's the cost of a week of city commuting that is the focus these days.

Your G6e would be lucky to get less than 14L/100km in that case.

that's where commodore and falcon have fallen out of favour with buyers.

Exactly!, A Falcon or Commodore would never get similar economy to that of a small/medium size SUV that more and more people are buying these day's, why would you buy a large sedan when you can fit more into a SUV and better economy to boot when you are a family person.
And then when you throw diesel into the equation well theres no contest.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder bout the role Oil companies have in encouraging a change in buying trands that suits their ends...

1) The decline of large cars and their greater fuel consumption, replaced by the rise of small efficent petrol cars..

2) The decline in petrol driven SUVs and Light Trucks which are now mostly replaced by either efficient petrol or diesel engines.

3) Government subsidizing of retro fitting LPG to petrol vehicles as a way of reducing fuel consumption..


This relentless drive for ever increasing fuel efficiency comes at a cost to the oil companies by reducing volume and
when that happens, the main push back policy is to review buying trends and adjust pricing to maintain current profit levels.

Even if the total volume of product is less, profit remains the same or higher meaning Oil companies are the great winners out of this.
Any benefit a driver thinks they are making by saving fuel blows out a cost in another area, be that vehicle cost or fuel cost
and tha's before we even look at government income from exccise being reduced...

But vehicle sales are increasing in Oz and globally just about year after year so if anything the increased number of vehicles on the road is taking up that lower comsumption. I'd say oil consumption would increase every year.