Vfacts feb. 2014 - Page 2

XWGT · 06-03-2014, 10:48 AM

It defies belief doesn't it? Every day delayed to market it a day less to recoup the upgrade costs.....and now a day less it has to sell as production will cease.

Rodge · 06-03-2014, 11:02 AM

Its feels to me like this is happenning in super, super, super slow motion. I'm pretty sure it was originally intended to be released late 2013 / early 2014.

Time seems to stand still even more for those of us cashed up and ready to buy now.

barra240t · 06-03-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Ouch !

Why do people in Aus flock to Hilux over Ranger, in NZ Ranger and Hilux go toe to toe every month.

Easy to answer, the name TOYOTA, also not changing the badge name of a car since it was born

COROLLA
HI-LUX
LAND CRUISER

Everyone knows what they are.

Look how long it has taken FOCUS to catch on after LASER

Smoke Pursuit · 06-03-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

Easy to answer, the name TOYOTA, also not changing the badge name of a car since it was born

COROLLA
HI-LUX
LAND CRUISER

Everyone knows what they are.

Look how long it has taken FOCUS to catch on after LASER

Irrelevant if you look at the likes of Hyundai though!

barra240t · 06-03-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Irrelevant if you look at the likes of Hyundai though!

Very true but they are nothing on Toyota in numbers. Well done to Hyundai though!

zoomie · 06-03-2014, 04:01 PM

Id like to know the % how many of the 2777 cumodores sold in Feb were bought by private buyers, im guessing maybe 25-30%.
Fleet sales although good sales numbers will always hit Holdens bottom line due to fleets paying nowhere near RRP.

Thats one thing Mazda has with its customers, nearly all are private buyers and nearly all will pay close to advertised price

Road_Warrior · 06-03-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomie

Thats one thing Mazda has with its customers, nearly all are private buyers and nearly all will pay close to advertised price

I'd actually like to see proof of this because I am seeing more and more C-segment cars in fleet use around the place.

**russellw** · 06-03-2014, 07:22 PM

The Supplementary Statistics are also now uploaded into the Tech portal.

Cheers
Russ

DanielXR8 · 06-03-2014, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Why does Commodore sell ??? Marketing!!! There are at least 1-3 Commy ads on tv each night!!! Plus others of the Holden range !!! Ford really need a new marketting department....

When I bought my new VF, the new commercial didn't hurt, but it would be a complete lie to say marketing from Holden sold me the car.

The performance of the local Ford dealer is what sold me a Holden.

DanielXR8 · 06-03-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I'd actually like to see proof of this because I am seeing more and more C-segment cars in fleet use around the place.

Yes we have two Mazda 3's in our small fleet of a half dozen cars.

P6LTD351 · 06-03-2014, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

When I bought my new VF, the new commercial didn't hurt, but it would be a complete lie to say marketing from Holden sold me the car.

The performance of the local Ford dealer is what sold me a Holden.

So you're not a hardcore Ford fan then.

Which is fair enough - it's your money and it is your right to buy what you think is the best value.

To be honest, yes, it would be nice to have a good dealer but at the end of the day, I'm not buying a car I don't want just because the dealer is nice.

JG34JA · 06-03-2014, 07:56 PM

The other point from the stats is that overall volume of sales has declined, and the biggest declines are in the mining states in the light commercial segment. We've seen years of increasing sales, low interest rates and resource/housing based growth behind these increasing numbers - it's a significant thing to see them decrease.

JG34JA · 06-03-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

Interesting read on "Cyber Cars" and sales numbers

http://dailytelegraph.carsguide.com....82404_20140305

Very interesting. Is that 'channel stuffing', similar to which GM USA has gained notoriety from?

Bossxr8 · 06-03-2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Its feels to me like this is happenning in super, super, super slow motion. I'm pretty sure it was originally intended to be released late 2013 / early 2014.

Time seems to stand still even more for those of us cashed up and ready to buy now.

Right from the very get go the 201X was going to be late 2014. It has never been delayed or pushed back, it is on the same track it was always supposed to be.

irish2 · 06-03-2014, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

Easy to answer, the name TOYOTA, also not changing the badge name of a car since it was born

COROLLA
HI-LUX
LAND CRUISER

Everyone knows what they are.

Look how long it has taken FOCUS to catch on after LASER

Well "Falcon" is the longest continuous running name plate in the world. Isn't helping it much.

Wretched · 06-03-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Well "Falcon" is the longest continuous running name plate in the world. Isn't helping it much.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/the-10-l...es-videos.html

**buggerlugs** · 06-03-2014, 10:02 PM

How long before Hyundai knock Holden off the perch for fourth position.............

irish2 · 06-03-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

http://www.leftlanenews.com/the-10-l...es-videos.html

Hmm, where to begin. It doesn't list falcon, yet it is longer running that Mustang. Some of the other models were not "continuous", as in they had down times when they were not produced.

Wretched · 06-03-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Hmm, where to begin. It doesn't list falcon, yet it is longer running that Mustang. Some of the other models were not "continuous", as in they had down times when they were not produced.

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As it turns 75 years of age, GM's Chevrolet Suburban has become the world's longest running nameplate, despite the fact that it is sold only in the US. What's more impressive is the Suburban has been in production for the last three quarters of a century without taking any breaks.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ch...ory-16650.html

zoomie · 06-03-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I'd actually like to see proof of this because I am seeing more and more C-segment cars in fleet use around the place.

Im talking mainly rental cars. Most small car rentals are either Micra's, i20's, i30's or corollas.

Yes there may be some Mazda 3's on "fleet" duties but there numbers up until this new BM model have been low compared to the others ive stated above.

irish2 · 06-03-2014, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ch...ory-16650.html

The suburban was actually not produced in 1943, '44, and '45. Whilst still being longer than the falcon, it is not a continuous production nameplate.

MrZ · 07-03-2014, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by irish2

The suburban was actually not produced in 1943, '44, and '45. Whilst still being longer than the falcon, it is not a continuous production nameplate.

Toyota Landcruiser nameplate has been around longer than the Falcon as well - since 1951.

Wretched · 07-03-2014, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by irish2

The suburban was actually not produced in 1943, '44, and '45. Whilst still being longer than the falcon, it is not a continuous production nameplate.

Explain how it isn't continuous? The article i posted in bold stated it was. 75 years without a break, seems continuous to me.

Rodp · 07-03-2014, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by P6LTD351

So you're not a hardcore Ford fan then.

Which is fair enough - it's your money and it is your right to buy what you think is the best value.

Absolutely. I'm more of a hardcore money fan than Ford fan. Three times I've attempted to trade my used Ford at a Ford dealership and three times it was severely undervalued (in my opinion) so went to another marquis.

Worst of it was a Ghia which I bought and owned for 3 years. Where I bought and had the car serviced offered me $5000 as trade. Best was $7000 by a Ford dealer. Holden dealer gave me $18000 which had me driving a S2 VTSS.

csv8 · 07-03-2014, 06:51 AM

Rodp..that's one of the reasons I still have my BF Ghia..trade in is a joke.I know I could sell privately , that's a hassle. Last trade in valuation,was $5k under Red Book, low end valuation!!

Rodge · 07-03-2014, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Right from the very get go the 201X was going to be late 2014. It has never been delayed or pushed back, it is on the same track it was always supposed to be.

Thanks for that, my mistake.

Nikked · 07-03-2014, 07:30 AM

Oh no, the Ford brand is toxic in Australia, Toyota and Mazda out sell them, that defies logic, they are crap boring cars...

Or.

Ford are still in the top 5 selling brands in Australia, and the likes of Toyota are selling cars that people want, at a price they want, with a good reputation built up over many years as a company with a range of cars...not just a "one model is all we are about company"

Blueford260 · 07-03-2014, 08:56 AM

Holden sold 2410 more cars last month then Ford according to the stats and the extra money that made over Ford would propably not even cover the money they spent on advertising the commadore

jpd80 · 07-03-2014, 01:15 PM

So many vehicles to choose from today in Australia, people can basically select a vehicle that suits their expectations, needs and price point.

In the next few years, Ford and Holden will become full line importers, that's when the reality hits that their products
better have significant differences over the competition or buyers will simply pass them over..

After June, Ford's production slows to 90/day, next Falcon and Territory are a "thanks for the memories" moment that lasts maybe 12 months.

xrystl · 07-03-2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Why does Commodore sell ??? Marketing!!! There are at least 1-3 Commy ads on tv each night!!! Plus others of the Holden range !!! Ford really need a new marketting department....

WHAT - Ford have a Marketing department ?

, would never have guessed .