FPV GT-F outpowers HSV GTS The Aussie horsepower king has been identified & we are surprised as any1

[jmack]

im over all this which one is more powerful,in the real world dosnt matter how good you think your car is,there will be someone with more power,bigger balls or less brains take your pick.just enjoy the choices we have at the moment cause who knows what they will dish us up in the future

[chopstar87]

The way i read the 9 runs for the gtf, was because they wanted to keep checking the result, because it was a surprise... surprised a 351/404kw gtf was out powering a 430kw gts and to make sure it wasn't a 1 off thing and then it kills the power because of heat soak (as not intercooled)

[Blueford260]

Originally Posted by sprint347dave

so why is the GT-F so slow 0 to 100 and 1/4 mile,,just watched a clip with the GT-F up agaisnt the GTS .the GTS kicked its behind,,,not a good look for the last ever GT.

Rubbish driver

[prydey]

Originally Posted by sprint347dave

so why is the GT-F so slow 0 to 100 and 1/4 mile,,just watched a clip with the GT-F up agaisnt the GTS .the GTS kicked its behind,,,not a good look for the last ever GT.

if its the blue GT-F against the silver GTS on drive, then its auto v manual, with the GT-F being manual. not a real apples v apples comparison. auto's are quicker these days.

GTS has wider rubber and better launch control.

[rancidpunx]

GTS has 275 tyres as well and Launch control is just the same traction control system as the GT. Foot on the brake and floor it.

THe mag times are BS and owners will go faster, theres no doubt about it, some will beat GTS's some wont.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by prydey

if its the blue GT-F against the silver GTS on drive, then its auto v manual, with the GT-F being manual. not a real apples v apples comparison. auto's are quicker these days.

GTS has wider rubber and better launch control.

I will be stuffed why they don't do auto vs auto or manual vs manual in these comparos because it is invariably the one of the first things that is picked apart.

My only guess is because it was the latest and greatest from FPV and they wanted to get out a comparo as quick as possible and perhaps that's is all they had available to them.

But still if that was the case they should have used a manual GTS which there are plenty of now.

[Charliewool]

Geeesh.. How many people get howled down on this forum for quoting dyno figures for their modded pride & joy with the old.. "get it down the backtop and let's see it's mph?
Dyno-queens when it suits (or doesn't in Wheels case!) methinks?

[CyberWasp]

There certainly needs to be a new standard in how car companies power out put figures are quoted.
Ford are on the money, but Holden should be ashamed of themselves.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by sprint347dave

so why is the GT-F so slow 0 to 100 and 1/4 mile,,just watched a clip with the GT-F up agaisnt the GTS .the GTS kicked its behind,,,not a good look for the last ever GT.

They've only done manual gt-f vs auto gts

[Dave R]

Being that the GTS was consistent in both tests (330rwkw & 339rwkw), the low reading that Wheels got from the GTF seems like the odd one out.

[futura]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

It may or may not be relevant what run it was. Maybe I should have expanded on that a bit more. If these tests are under the same conditions then logic dictates they should run both the same amount of times and that being 9.

If you're trying to prove consistency and/or highest peak for the GT-F then why would you not do the same for the GTS.

I'm just trying to take a more objective view rather than the usual argument that tends to play out.

I can see your point, but think about this another way, if the GTF produced 348.6rkws running 9, or 90 times more will not yield more power. Especially since heat will be a big killer on these non inter cooled cars

[prydey]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

There certainly needs to be a new standard in how car companies power out put figures are quoted.
Ford are on the money, but Holden should be ashamed of themselves.

why?

340rwkw is reasonably close to 430fwkw.

GTS has also got a 12.1 @194km/h to its credit already. i don't think there is too much wrong with the figure.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Being that the GTS was consistent in both tests (330rwkw & 339rwkw), the low reading that Wheels got from the GTF seems like the odd one out.

Vcm's dyno always puts out lower figures

[Falcman0o7]

So the raptor craps on the T-rex...

Just because you're bigger it doesn't mean you can run faster :P

[Rodge]

What a surprise that the vehicle fitted with 20 inch wheels, the heavy duty gearbox, driveshaft, half shafts and 9 1/2 inch diff...all stuff that won't break in five minutes under duress or won't overheat and doesn't require heaps of interference from the PCM and TCM to keep itself held together actually soaks up more driveline losses

How many medium duty FPV drivelines have been busted already...

[Nova 8]

The numbers being put out by the GT-F are absolutely incredible. Great to see the numbers on the side of the car being its max power at the wheels rather than the fly.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Geeesh.. How many people get howled down on this forum for quoting dyno figures for their modded pride & joy with the old.. "get it down the backtop and let's see it's mph?
Dyno-queens when it suits (or doesn't in Wheels case!) methinks?

Pretty much summed up most arguments/posts/threads here.

Journos, magazines, dynos, businesses, every day people, cops and just about anyone else is right only if it suits the agenda of select few on this forum. If not then world is biased against Falcon
Becomes tiresome and shows the lack of maturity some have here. Funnily enough these same people trash talk LS1/Holden people for the doing the same thing.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Rodge

What a surprise that the vehicle fitted with 20 inch wheels, the heavy duty gearbox, driveshaft, half shafts and 9 1/2 inch diff...all stuff that won't break in five minutes under duress or won't overheat and doesn't require heaps of interference from the PCM and TCM to keep itself held together actually soaks up more driveline losses

How many medium duty FPV drivelines have been busted already...

before you gloat too much, the LSA is developing a bit of a habit of lunching itself
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/06/...ered-vehicles/

no word on aus vehicles but given its effectively the same motor....

[Nova 8]

Wouldn't the over boost or what ever its called make the ford a dyno queen with higher results than in real world application like when it gets hot and turns down the power. For example at the lights in say, Australia?

That said, would the addition of an intercooler allow for the immense peak power at all times making the thing an absolute beast?

[Bent8]

348rwkw (GT-F) is entirely believable as the GT in the link below averaged 343rwkw after 3 separate runs on 2 different dynos back in 2010... but can anyone explain why the torque numbers are so close at 721Nm & 751Nm for the GT-F and GTS respectively ??...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-KoOnCJEkg

I remember a dyno shop years ago ran a stock GT 335 and they claimed a torque output around 650Nm at the motor

On the HSV forums, the average torque for a factory GTS is 780Nm at the engine.

Anyways, this just goes to show the 5.0 is one cracker of a motor, whether N/A or blown.. well done to the guys at FPV !!

[falcodore]

Originally Posted by prydey

if its the blue GT-F against the silver GTS on drive, then its auto v manual, with the GT-F being manual. not a real apples v apples comparison. auto's are quicker these days.

GTS has wider rubber and better launch control.

I'm pretty sure only the manual Gen F models have launch control. But I could be wrong.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Rodge

What a surprise that the vehicle fitted with 20 inch wheels, the heavy duty gearbox, driveshaft, half shafts and 9 1/2 inch diff...all stuff that won't break in five minutes under duress or won't overheat and doesn't require heaps of interference from the PCM and TCM to keep itself held together actually soaks up more driveline losses

How many medium duty FPV drivelines have been busted already...

Way to miss the point...

[Sorted]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Way to miss the point...

lol
It's always the way when FPV come out on top - remember the FPV GT Rspec vs VE HSV Club sport - FPV was faster & had more power BUT HSV won as better chassis lol ha ha ha

I think Rodge actually works for Wheels lol

[_Ben]

Originally Posted by theboxmike

Well what do you know as usual Holden/HSV overstating there power figures? Surely not never!

Uh seriously? 430KW wouldn't be far off 340RWKW at all, more like Ford understating like normal.

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by _Ben

Uh seriously? 430KW wouldn't be far off 340RWKW at all, more like Ford understating like normal.

That's a pretty big driveline loss though, as others have stated the GTS has a lot of heavy duty gear but does it equate to that much loss?

Not sure if HSV/GMH quote engine power figures without accessories? I think Ford Aus and Ford NA both quote engine power figures without accessories.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by _Ben

Uh seriously? 430KW wouldn't be far off 340RWKW at all, more like Ford understating like normal.

Correct but most stock HSV's are only making around 320rwkw.

Let's take an average figure of 328rwkw after a 22% powertrain loss and we get 420kW at the flywheel (HSV are overstating).

This GT-F made 348rwkw, taking an average output of 335rwkw equals 409kW at the engine. (FPV claims 404kW)

[drif6]

Originally Posted by Rodge

What a surprise that the vehicle fitted with 20 inch wheels, the heavy duty gearbox, driveshaft, half shafts and 9 1/2 inch diff...all stuff that won't break in five minutes under duress or won't overheat and doesn't require heaps of interference from the PCM and TCM to keep itself held together actually soaks up more driveline losses

How many medium duty FPV drivelines have been busted already...

Ok Rodge, you've made a big bold inference. How many "medium duty" drivelines "have been busted already"?

[ford man xf]

Ford really should be releasing 1000 of these bad boys, I know they are trying to keep it exclusive, so many people will miss out on one of these, I think most have been snapped up already I read somewhere.

[flooded one]

I still reckon its possible for the GT-F it too out run the GTS down the strip. I mean if there are stock GTs running mid 12s and some into low 12s. the quickest I've seen is 12.2 @117mph.

[shaness8]

The GTS is on the money with its power 330rwkw, GTF's 348rwkw seems high.

Let's see if they run them down the 1/4 mile and get some real numbers.

We know the GTS can run mid to low 12's, GTF should do high 11's with that power.