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Old 10-02-2015, 07:49 AM   #31
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It could even come down to reading a review of cars..

For instance those who bought the Windsor v8 powered au falcon would have copped some shirt fronting from their peers knowing the ls1 vt2 could be bought for same price. Same deal for those that bought the hsv VE and ignored the Miami powered GT.

From time to time one particular model car was superior to another, this is another avenue for having to justify your purchase.
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Who decides? anyone who wants to can have a go. I have a ba xr6 turbo did I do any good fordforums ???
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For instance those who bought the Windsor v8 powered au falcon would have copped some shirt fronting from their peers knowing the ls1 vt2 could be bought for same price.
Please explain this more Hulk exactly what you mean, because the way I read it is that you are having a little snide dig at us AU owner’s once again and not being very respectful in doing so.

All you mentioned is that a windsor V8 powered AU Falcon (which could mean a T3 250kw) and a LS1 VTII (which could mean a VT executive 220kw) and your implying that a LS1 would hose it I assume as that is what you refer to going by your past history in these matter’s ?, this is also backed up by you also mentioning the miami and HSV ?.

Little do you know that in the Tickford era the AU had it all over the Commodore in the driving characteristic’s and on the bend’s which is very widely published in many reviews and magazines which you so call like to base your opinions and fact’s on.
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With the new FG X, I was looking at the G6E and the XR8. I liked the look of the G6E, but that V8 - phwaaaaaawr! But my wife told me that I was not going to buy another old man car (I've owned several Ghias and an LTD in my time).

I have probably offered 20+ times to back out of it, but she is insisting I get the car. I see multiple people here saying they want something and stuff the missus, but for me it is the other way around. I know I'm a lucky boy!
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Um I have enough confidence in my self to decide if its good bad or other wise when purchasing and I don't give a rats what friends think because there will always be one who thinks you paid to much and they usually know the least and one that blows smoke up your **** telling you how great a deal it was
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Please explain this more Hulk exactly what you mean, because the way I read it is that you are having a little snide dig at us AU owner’s once again and not being very respectful in doing so.

All you mentioned is that a windsor V8 powered AU Falcon (which could mean a T3 250kw) and a LS1 VTII (which could mean a VT executive 220kw) and your implying that a LS1 would hose it I assume as that is what you refer to going by your past history in these matter’s ?, this is also backed up by you also mentioning the miami and HSV ?.

Little do you know that in the Tickford era the AU had it all over the Commodore in the driving characteristic’s and on the bend’s which is very widely published in many reviews and magazines which you so call like to base your opinions and fact’s on.
100% agree I only visit these threads to see how he can work a good old au Windsor bash in and he has delivered once again. But don't worry about it just ignore it you won't convert him
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100% agree I only visit these threads to see how he can work a good old au Windsor bash in and he has delivered once again. But don't worry about it just ignore it you won't convert him
Yes his ulterior motive is not lost on some around here but none the less it is a public forum and many can and will read his claims so there fore he should be able to back them up with fact’s and substantiate them, otherwise his snide little remarks will continue and since he is one for relying solely on magazine reports and media speculation at the time, he should bring to the table what he preaches and not accuse other’s on what he believes only in his mind as factual.
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I hope you guys know that 90% of HULK's threads are trolling and are worded to reel in the ignorant. Anyone who has been on these forums long enough should know better.
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I hope you guys know that 90% of HULK's threads are trolling and are worded to reel in the ignorant. Anyone who has been on these forums long enough should know better.
That might be the case but who’s to say who’s really playing who here... anyway as long as he’s posting his accusations and being allowed to, then he should be able to explain himself by fact’s, it’s all in good form to pass the time really.
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That might be the case but who’s to say who’s really playing who here... anyway as long as he’s posting his accusations and being allowed to, then he should be able to explain himself by fact’s, it’s all in good form to pass the time really.
I wholeheartedly agree. But you and I both know he never does this.
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Either that or a cry for attention or a plea for acceptance.
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Please explain this more Hulk exactly what you mean, because the way I read it is that you are having a little snide dig at us AU owner’s once again and not being very respectful in doing so.

All you mentioned is that a windsor V8 powered AU Falcon (which could mean a T3 250kw) and a LS1 VTII (which could mean a VT executive 220kw) and your implying that a LS1 would hose it I assume as that is what you refer to going by your past history in these matter’s ?, this is also backed up by you also mentioning the miami and HSV ?.

Little do you know that in the Tickford era the AU had it all over the Commodore in the driving characteristic’s and on the bend’s which is very widely published in many reviews and magazines which you so call like to base your opinions and fact’s on.
paranoid?

Let me clarify, from time to time there are like for like models that are in the same price point but there is a huge disparity in their performance..

For instance anyone who buys the VE clubsport when they could have bought a miami powered FPV GT for the same price need to be shirt fronted. same price and big disparity on performance..

Same deal with an AU XR8 when compared with a VT2 Ls1 commodore ss. There are plenty of examples over the years.. XR6T over the Boss 260 etc etc.
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Not everyone buys a car based on 0-100 or 400mtr times.
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On topic; if I chose cars based on the opinions of people close to me, i.e Girlfriend, parents etc, I'd be driving a Volvo estate whilst wearing a pink floral shirt!
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paranoid?

Let me clarify, from time to time there are like for like models that are in the same price point but there is a huge disparity in their performance..

For instance anyone who buys the VE clubsport when they could have bought a miami powered FPV GT for the same price need to be shirt fronted. same price and big disparity on performance..

Same deal with an AU XR8 when compared with a VT2 Ls1 commodore ss. There are plenty of examples over the years.. XR6T over the Boss 260 etc etc.
Hang on a minute.. didn’t you claim that it could come down to a review ?, and then used some examples , so please provide some facts where there is a HUGE disparity in their performance as you claim, thats all I ask of you, base you opinions on facts please.
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When I purchased my BFGT brand new in March 2007, I couldn't get the smile off my face.
Now its almost March 2015 and I still have a grin ear to ear.
I didn't seek any one's opinion or acceptance. It was my honest personal craving I satisfied and it has lasted years and will do for years to come.
I reckon I done good because I did it for myself and not someone else. Simple really.
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Hang on a minute.. didn’t you claim that it could come down to a review ?, and then used some examples , so please provide some facts where there is a HUGE disparity in their performance as you claim, thats all I ask of you, base you opinions on facts please.
please keep it on topic. If you want to discuss Ls1 v Windsor V8s (I think you do) start a topic about it and id love to participate.

Otherwise this thread is about buying a car and who is your network to approve / confirm that you did good.
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please keep it on topic. If you want to discuss Ls1 v Windsor V8s (I think you do) start a topic about it and id love to participate.

Otherwise this thread is about buying a car and who is your network to approve / confirm that you did good.
I thought it was well and truly within the topic Hulkie as your started it and brought it up , the comparison that is.... I mean we are talking about reviews that I am asking you to put forward ?.
It may help others in their future decision , anyway so be it, you can walk of now with your tail hanging between your legs if you so wish,
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The other technique was he drove it up the street and started swerving like the touring cars? was he trying to warm the tyres for a hot lap?
You've never done this to confirm a failed wheel bearing?

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100% agree I only visit these threads to see how he can work a good old au Windsor bash in and he has delivered once again. But don't worry about it just ignore it you won't convert him
If it's not a windsor bash, it's a back hander at a positive displacement supercharger while simultaneously big-noting his 'superior' choice of a belt driven turbo, using the same dreamt up facts based on "reviews" and his superior understanding of all things mechanical.
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Did somebody rubbish the Territory you just purchased Hulk?

did they tell you that you could have purchased TTG for slightly more money?

its not always about how quick a car is, think about it
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having to justify your purchase.
To who - blokes like you?

You come pay my rego, chip in for the purchase price of whatever I buy and then I'll give a stuff. Until then, I suggest you get a box of rubber gloves and store your opinion in a warm, dark place that follows you around.
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I have probably offered 20+ times to back out of it, but she is insisting I get the car. I see multiple people here saying they want something and stuff the missus, but for me it is the other way around. I know I'm a lucky boy!
Does she happen to have a sister, preferably under 30?
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Did somebody rubbish the Territory you just purchased Hulk?

did they tell you that you could have purchased TTG for slightly more money?

its not always about how quick a car is, think about it
Your the first... I look for mint cars and I'm happy to pay a premium for them. Yes i could have bought a TTG for the same money but if they are not mint condition, they don't exist to me.

By the way, in the next few days I'm going to sell a car that can't be rubbished by anyone. Mint condition and fair price.. I'll get some photos and load them up over next few days.
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paranoid?

Let me clarify, from time to time there are like for like models that are in the same price point but there is a huge disparity in their performance..

For instance anyone who buys the VE clubsport when they could have bought a miami powered FPV GT for the same price need to be shirt fronted. same price and big disparity on performance..

Same deal with an AU XR8 when compared with a VT2 Ls1 commodore ss. There are plenty of examples over the years.. XR6T over the Boss 260 etc etc.
Ah Hulk, I bought a VE E3 over what was available from Ford at the time, but I don't have to explain it to anyone. It's my car, and I drive it every day, and if I'm happy with it, the opinions of others is irrelevant.

I could liken it to my marriage - my wife's family thought she could do better (I had long hair, rode bikes, did weightlifting), and presumed our relationship would fail. Well that was 23 years ago, and we don't give a stuff what anyone else thinks. I don't care who decides "if we did any good"!
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