FPV sales almost stagnant

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

I think genuine buyers know what it should cost. The dreaming part is probably just having 10k and hoping for a car thats too good to be true in that bracket. I went in knowing what the GT-P would cost (and had my top dollar price, which happened to be the sellers lowest price after my counter offer). Everyone walked away happy (well, i drove away happy, and he was standing in his driveway with tears in his eyes)

I agree with this. The buyer hadn't seen the car in person, just went off the photos, and wanted to do an EFT before he'd seen it. My car was genuine and he was a genuine buyer - knew what he was after the ballpark figure.

When he drove off, he was happy, I was happy but had that tear in my eye!

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Rob1964

Yeah I'd go GT over XR8 anyday. I just think modern era muscle cars reached their peak with the FPV 335s and F6s other than the GTFs that is. After that things were toned down in the bells and whistles and looks department with the FGXs. FPVs have that personal individuality about them. Not to mention that balls out front end presence. Kinda reminds me of my old shaker. It demands attention.

Demand attention and will demand a much higher price than the non GT/F6 badged cars in time.
As many of these cars start exchanging hands as ex lease , ex runabouts and start going to people who want them as "keepers" then the prices will stabilise and there will be greater demand v availability. Nothing new here , happens in cycles and happened in the 70s and 80s and will happen again. I'm surprised at how well these cars have maintained their values already. Good examples in both B and F series are in the 20s and 30s respectively and look to be comfortable there. Supercharged cars will stay in the 40s. There will be the %#^* sorry examples in the fringes that will mediate the prices for sure.
There is always mustang to lure the coin , but it's a different beast and a cultural shift so FPV cars are guaranteed more $$$ than falcon scrap value.
I think now it's more about emotional investment rather than $$$ investment so we won't ever see ridiculous prices but we will see "higher" prices relative to people's expectations. I think that's what is happening now.

[FTE217]

No doubt about comments regards to GT badge and FPV's....everyone has a choice.
The record will stand forever also that a FGX XRSprint is the LAST special Falcon produced locally - don't discount how much that will appeal in the distant future and with its drive ability up grades and even better wolf in sheeps clothing I expect she will hold her own as well.....

[Grom13]

Originally Posted by FTE217

No doubt about comments regards to GT badge and FPV's....everyone has a choice.
The record will stand forever also that a FGX XRSprint is the LAST special Falcon produced locally - don't discount how much that will appeal in the distant future and with its drive ability up grades and even better wolf in sheeps clothing I expect she will hold her own as well.....

Everything made in the last few years is the last , GT, GTP, GTE , GTF, GS , F6 , FGX, Pursuit all the last not only the Sprint people seem to loose sight of that..

[5.8]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Different beast if I spent the extra $30,000 extra on my pursuit that one of these cost well there wouldn't be anything that would get near it.

And you would nearly have to give it away if you wanted to offload it. The modified engine ones seem to be the hardest to sell.

[Rob1964]

Yeah its more than likely worth returning a modded car back to stock and flogging the bits! As usual unmolested examples will command a premium

[Express]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Different beast if I spent the extra $30,000 extra on my pursuit that one of these cost well there wouldn't be anything that would get near it.

I definitely wouldn't want you as a broker for me.

I'd rather spend an extra $30,000 on a well appointed factory stock car and come second in power to your extra $30,000 worth of go fast modifications.

[Eaturbo]

Not really surprised, these cars are expensive to own and really only a toy these days. A lot of cars are just for sale and if they sell they sell with no real urgency. It's the case of if I get what Im asking I'll sell otherwise it can sit there.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Grom13

Everything made in the last few years is the last , GT, GTP, GTE , GTF, GS , F6 , FGX, Pursuit all the last not only the Sprint people seem to loose sight of that..

Its not the point of losing sight - yep those name plates have gone and hold their own but Falcon was/is still being made therefore people change/adjust move ahead so FGX will be remembered more so that its the Last Falcon to a punter.
Everyone thinks/see things differently.
How much would people care of GS for eg ? not many if at all with all due respect.
GT ? yep that will be missed no doubt about it.

[Express]

I’m starting to wonder if there will be far more Falcons of all variants kept then there will be collectors and enthusiasts that want them.

The most collectable things are often something most of us can’t have.

I wish I'd dragged home my mates old split window Kombi a few years back before he bulldozed it into the back paddock, restored it's now worth more than most GT's outside of the P3.



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[Bent8]

Originally Posted by FERG_51

Im looking for a 335 GT, so I know every FPV for sale atm, a couple of car yards offering cars as one owners but after doing my own research ive found this not to be the case, so struggling to trust dealers and the private cars are generally 5 to 7k dearer . Mainly looking in SA and VIC. Am I dreaming thinking I can pick up a 335 with under 80,000km for 40k with good history? WA cars are in the ballpark but cant seem to track down the history plus the freight can be costly.

Just recently picked up my 2011 GT (one female owner) for $47,831 with only 50,000km in WA... car is in like new condition with only a few marks around the power windows switches.

Tried to contact this private seller asking $45,990 for a 2012 Mk2 but he's not answering phone calls, most likely sold.
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...3501416/?Cr=17

Anyways, I'm happy with mine being the Mk1, not a fan of touch screens in cars and I can use my phone for GPS.

I would go for one with 50,000km or less as they seem to be well looked after.

[ken1939]

I would agree carsales.com.au has a few vehicles posted that are questionable in asking costs. I tend to use it as I do not have eyes on the ground all over Oz in looking for a BA or XF Falcon Ute.

I recon some are trying to cash in on some of the specialty cars, with the cease in production. I see it here in the USA all the time. Piles of rust with ridiculous prices on them. Especially high KM vehicles with road rash.

I know the economy is playing a part, and in some cases it is a buyers market. What I am familiar with is if I own it, its not worth much, if someone else owns the same thing, the asking price is astronomical.

[Full_Monty]

I got my Mk1 335 with 17,500kms in October 2014 for $44,750 with full years rego.

Pretty happy with that.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Express

I’m starting to wonder if there will be far more Falcons of all variants kept then there will be collectors and enthusiasts that want them.

The most collectable things are often something most of us can’t have.

I wish I'd dragged home my mates old split window Kombi a few years back before he bulldozed it into the back paddock, restored it's now worth more than most GT's outside of the P3.

Exactly.
These things will drop to $2000 and be worthless pieces of junk before prices start to rise.
I saw it all happen with my Cobra.

These people buying sprints and then putting them onto a truck to get home so they don't rack up any k's, and then having the cars as garage queens sitting under covers will be well and truly 6ft under the ground before they are worth anything. With so many being put away I doubt they will ever get near the figures people think they will.

Enjoy the bloody things, if you want to make money you'd be far better off putting $70k into a term deposit for 30-40 years.

The only car I have ever known to hold it's price was the XE ESP 351 when Ford stopped the V8.
Once the EB was released they became worthless almost overnight too.

[ebv8]

my guess is that when the Mustangs hit the used car market the Falcon will drop value real quick. people holding onto the last falcon might have to wait 40 years just to recover half of the purchase price then probably have to spend near that on maintainance once all the electronics go dry and fail.
a $65k Falcon will have to sell for $440k in 40 years time.....(RBA Inflation calc based on 1975 to 2015)

I bought my FPV cheap, i'll keep it in good condition and i'll probably not make money but i'm sure i won't lose money.

[SensationFG8]

I think only a few people have bought these as investments...

Everyone else is out enjoying them and I think that's true of most members on here.

[ken1939]

Originally Posted by ebv8

my guess is that when the Mustangs hit the used car market the Falcon will drop value real quick. people holding onto the last falcon might have to wait 40 years just to recover half of the purchase price then probably have to spend near that on maintainance once all the electronics go dry and fail.
a $65k Falcon will have to sell for $440k in 40 years time.....(RBA Inflation calc based on 1975 to 2015)

I bought my FPV cheap, i'll keep it in good condition and i'll probably not make money but i'm sure i won't lose money.

I think you may be right on all points. If we all knew what cars would be collectables, we would all have bought them when. I think of people who grew up with 32 Fords when you could get one for $500. Who had the money? Who had a place to keep them.

I think we can agree there were some special cars built over time. Alot are not. I think when it comes to owning something special, it has to be special to you. For a very special reason. I learned to drive in a 1974 Caprice Estate Wagon. The big 20ft wagon with the clamshell rear. I really loved that wagon. I have been looking for one like it since 1981. Is it a valuable car? Well they only made 30,000 Estate Wagons in 74. Is it a 32 Ford Roadster Pick Up? Nope. Value to me is more. I want to purchase a 2003 BA Falcon XR8 Ute. Its not exactly a XW GTHO, but to me it will be a car that reminds me of Australia, along with my XC Falcon Ute that I will be rebuilding this summer. I don't want them because everyone else here in the US does not have one. I want them because I get them, I get the attraction from your point of view as well.

I would be glad to put 70K away in the bank today, instead of buying a truly shot in the dark hope on that same 70K going to pot in 20 years.

[XWGT]

I have toyed with the idea of an R-Spec in Blue or a GT Black Edition.
But the klms always worry me and they have never quite inspired me to get the cash out for what is being asked. Feels 10 - 20% over the mark in many regards

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by ebv8

my guess is that when the Mustangs hit the used car market the Falcon will drop value real quick. people holding onto the last falcon might have to wait 40 years just to recover half of the purchase price then probably have to spend near that on maintainance once all the electronics go dry and fail.
a $65k Falcon will have to sell for $440k in 40 years time.....(RBA Inflation calc based on 1975 to 2015)

I bought my FPV cheap, i'll keep it in good condition and i'll probably not make money but i'm sure i won't lose money.

Time will tell but I do think letting the short lived FPV brand die the way it did was a mistake. There is a risk that in the future FPV will merely be seen by enthusiasts as a blip on the radar as a specialty factory tune house and not much more......................I think there was a missed opportunity on the conclusion of GTF for Ford Au to have openly mothballed the FPV brand for 12 months and then do something with the Mustang GT using US sourced hipo factory backed parts and warranty. In this scenario Falcon would still have been given its send off with Sprint 6/8. Unfortunately for us it was just easier for Ford to completely walk away from local car manufacturing altogether. The most we can hope for in the future is a decent coffee table book on the FPV brand to help keep some brand relevance.

Cheers Mick

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

I think only a few people have bought these as investments...

Everyone else is out enjoying them and I think that's true of most members on here.

I think almost everyone on here are out enjoying them but we are driving enthusiasts.

I still have not seen a GTF....Anywhere.

[blackf6]

What is an FPV?

[Rob1964]

The old supply and demand scenario. No one was really chasing the Falcon coupes until now! When there scarce as and we realise that there aren't many good ones around anymore. You rarely see them on the road these days. So if FPVs dropped to crazy low prises that would bring all the really young boy racers into the market which in turn may just flog these cars out quicker than we think. I heard an international motor journalist mention a couple of years back that Aussies don't know how good they have it. Referring to our bang for buck modern performance cars. He mentioned when our car industry finishes your price tag on equivalent euro cars will be way higher! I can see the yanks bringing in more performance models from Mopar aswell.

[Express]

It’s a very small enthusiast market to tool up for RHD V8 performance cars and that market share gets smaller every time another player enters it.

I’m sure that it why GM & Chrysler have resisted so far.

[KN-KONG]

I got the sprint for sentimental reasons, driving it will always remind me of my old man and his old man and the cars I grew up with... any place I move in the future will need to have a space for the sprint... I look forward to teaching my young fella when he grows up, in a world of electric cars and 16 speed auto's no doubt, how cars were back in the day, how his great grand dad and grand dad and dad all learnt drivn a stick shift... to hell with its future worth, the memories repay all that I spend on it, in spades...

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Time will tell but I do think letting the short lived FPV brand die the way it did was a mistake. There is a risk that in the future FPV will merely be seen by enthusiasts as a blip on the radar as a specialty factory tune house and not much more......................I think there was a missed opportunity on the conclusion of GTF for Ford Au to have openly mothballed the FPV brand for 12 months and then do something with the Mustang GT using US sourced hipo factory backed parts and warranty. In this scenario Falcon would still have been given its send off with Sprint 6/8. Unfortunately for us it was just easier for Ford to completely walk away from local car manufacturing altogether. The most we can hope for in the future is a decent coffee table book on the FPV brand to help keep some brand relevance.

Cheers Mick

12 years ( excluding Ticford ) and spanning through BA , BF and FG models with 6 different variants in V8 and I6 with probably over 30,000 vehicles made is hardly a "blip"

Unless Mustang is a monumental success for succesive years then i reckon FPV and Tickford badged cars will be very highly regarded and may in time see them worth much more in the second hand market than any mainstream secondhand Mustang.

We're not talking ridiculous over the top prices here, but they will certainly hold their own and may see closer to 50% -60% valuation on their retail price which aint too bad for a " falcon"

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

12 years ( excluding Ticford ) and spanning through BA , BF and FG models with 6 different variants in V8 and I6 with probably over 30,000 vehicles made is hardly a "blip"

Unless Mustang is a monumental success for succesive years then i reckon FPV and Tickford badged cars will be very highly regarded and may in time see them worth much more in the second hand market than any mainstream secondhand Mustang.

We're not talking ridiculous over the top prices here, but they will certainly hold their own and may see closer to 50% -60% valuation on their retail price which aint too bad for a " falcon"

I don't think Mustang will have any effect on future FPV provenance no matter how well it sells, they are different products and both depreciating assets..................the biggest threat to that would be in the here and now with Sprint 6/8 and what they ultimately achieve.

Cheers Mick

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HO 3

I don't think Mustang will have any effect on future FPV provenance no matter how well it sells, they are different products and both depreciating assets..................the biggest threat to that would be in the here and now with Sprint 6/8 and what they ultimately achieve.

Cheers Mick

IMHO, it's the sprint cars that will be the "blip"
They aren't FPV and they aren't GT or F6 badged. They are built in smaller numbers and are less likely to be widely available so Mustang is what will drive decision making for the next level performance enthusiast. They will have a choice to buy new or used Mustang or to trawl through adverts looking for good used FG supercharged GT's of which there will be more available than Sprints..... what other choices will there be ?

[Rob1964]

The trend lately is weekend cruises with car enthusiast clubs and groups. There seems to be atleast one cruise a weekend here in Perth. So the FPV range would be a good choice if you want a car that attracts looks much like the old school cars but has all the mod cons and ample performance in the handling, braking and acceleration departments. Or the sleeper Sprint and FGX XR8 look.
They're all fun to drive and bang for buck i can't think of anything that comes close.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Rob1964

The trend lately is weekend cruises with car enthusiast clubs and groups.

Lately? This has been going on for the 16 years i've been driving!

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

IMHO, it's the sprint cars that will be the "blip"
They aren't FPV and they aren't GT or F6 badged. They are built in smaller numbers and are less likely to be widely available so Mustang is what will drive decision making for the next level performance enthusiast. They will have a choice to buy new or used Mustang or to trawl through adverts looking for good used FG supercharged GT's of which there will be more available than Sprints..... what other choices will there be ?

To cut a long story short.....at the end of the day, the car that gets the best hero times in controlled testing conditions is the one that gets the chocolates and the one that will command a premium over the others in the future. I'm not talking about what Johny Leadfoot might manage to do after a Top Fuel run on a Saturday night either................as far as I'm aware Sprint 6/8 is still being built and still being tested, so the jury is still out for me where they are all going to finally sit.

Cheers Mick