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Old 16-05-2021, 11:46 AM   #31
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just a couple of observations....not wanting to be critical as it is a significant car being the very last one, but i note that the engine pic shows the heater hoses with two heater valves.....er no i dont think so....i think this was done by the owner and is not original in my opinion....and also for those that have put engine size badges on the front guards under the Ghia badge, you will note that this car does not have engine badges....that is correct from the factory....the only way to tell what engines were in these cars was to lift the bonnet
as long as it wasn't washed too much along the way, it should be fairly rust free...hpoefully
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Old 16-05-2021, 04:52 PM   #32
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I'm with the bloke who reckon starting it up monthly has done more harm than good to the way the bay looks. Has deteriorate the decals and rubbers etc. Also headlights look foggy instead of crystal clear, the underbody isn't as clean as I would have thought for the KM. But I guess, washing a car every month or couple of months for 39 years would cause it's own wear, vacuuming, brooming a garage where it's stored in a corner would mean the dust etc carries up underneath it. Also notice the Ghia badges gel has shrunk (heat / humidity perhaps) and the rear Ford badge is a little battered too.

Have seen EL and EB GT with similar KM looking in a little better condition. I don't doubt it's got 60KM on it, but if it was tucked up in a clean, dark and dry corner with no fuss for 39 years it would have probably fared a little better. Again, having said that, I am not trying to take anything away from it, or doubt it's authenticity.. It definitely is what it is - it is a good reference and case for how and what to do for preservation.
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Old 18-05-2021, 01:15 PM   #33
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That Charger has it's paint code listed as its body number. As stated there is an awful lot of CL in that 72 (VH)
Also E28 was a single barrel 245 not a V8
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Old 18-05-2021, 04:55 PM   #34
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That Charger has it's paint code listed as its body number. As stated there is an awful lot of CL in that 72 (VH)
Also E28 was a single barrel 245 not a V8
don't forget the aircon plumbing that is there as well!


so not much VH is there for 35 odd grand
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Old 18-05-2021, 05:29 PM   #35
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Im quite sure they all say 'sedan' on the SA reg site even when they are chargers, or even the hardtops... so thats not a giveaway to anything funny.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...-charger-27148

So i dont think they make a distinction between sedan and coupe etc.
Slack buggers

A fella i knew back in the day had a VH Valiant Regal station wagon that ended up with a CL makeover, you could hardly tell the differance, but he wasn't trying to pull a shifty and was upfront about it, especially as it had VH360 number plates on it
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Old 19-05-2021, 09:13 AM   #36
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currently at $315,009 with 6 days to go
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Old 19-05-2021, 02:34 PM   #37
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currently at $315,009 with 6 days to go
Back on the ESP, thanks for that
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Old 19-05-2021, 02:46 PM   #38
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$315k eh to date, thats $8k or so a month over 39yrs.
Pretty sad it hasn't been used but all to its own.
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Unbelievable 6 days to go could it make $450k i for one wouldnt bet against it.
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Old 19-05-2021, 06:51 PM   #40
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$315k eh to date, thats $8k or so a month over 39yrs.
Pretty sad it hasn't been used but all to its own.
8k a month sounded high so i crunched some numbs... my mafs says you added an extra zero... isnt it more like 800 a month?

39 (years) x 12 (months in a year) = 468 months of existence for that car.

at 800 a month, 800 x 468 = 374,400

still a pretty good return, who wouldve thought back then, and especially when they had bottomed out in price, probably late 90s or thereabouts.

To gain 8k a month well thats even beyond hemi cuda convertible territory.. its old rare prancing horse territory perhaps.
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Old 19-05-2021, 08:44 PM   #41
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Just to keep some perspective here ...

The best list price that I can find for a 1982 Ford Fairmont Ghia XE Auto is $19,783 (V8+AC+PS)

https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/deta...OT-ITM-222171/

Using the RBA inflation calculator, that becomes $71,495 in today's dollars.

Using Noel Whittaker's historical stock market calculator, if the sale price of the XE was placed into the stock market in February 1982 and all dividends reinvested, that $19,783 would have turned into $1,371,375 today (compounding 11.8%). Nothing funky, just invest in the bread and butter Australian All Ordinaries Accumulation Index.
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8k a month sounded high so i crunched some numbs... my mafs says you added an extra zero... isnt it more like 800 a month?

39 (years) x 12 (months in a year) = 468 months of existence for that car.

at 800 a month, 800 x 468 = 374,400

still a pretty good return, who wouldve thought back then, and especially when they had bottomed out in price, probably late 90s or thereabouts.

To gain 8k a month well thats even beyond hemi cuda convertible territory.. its old rare prancing horse territory perhaps.

Yer my bad thanks for correcting.
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Back on the ESP, thanks for that
Nothing worse than veiled sarcasm....

As with any conversation while waiting on a result it's called small talk!
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Nothing worse than veiled sarcasm....

As with any conversation while waiting on a result it's called small talk!
Sorry, just every time I came in for a look there was talk about Valiants and I thought the thread was about the ESP. Didn't mean to come across as a smart a$$.
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Old 22-05-2021, 05:34 PM   #45
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AIT turbo ESP:

https://www.grays.com/lot/0001-20008...sedan?spr=true

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Old 22-05-2021, 05:48 PM   #46
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Old 23-05-2021, 01:39 PM   #47
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Along with the XE, they have some other pretty good cars up for auction too

XA GT RPO

1 of 10 Force 7's

'72 Charger

'74 XB GT

XD Fairmont Ghia

'85 VK Calais 5.0 litre
XE still at $315
XA still at $252k
Force 7 slowly creeping up, now at $65k, no way it will ever make reserve
Charger auction ended early @ $35k
XB auction ended early @ $93k
XD auction ended early @ $32k
VK auction ended early @ $53k
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XE still at $315
XA still at $252k
Force 7 slowly creeping up, now at $65k, no way it will ever make reserve
Charger auction ended early @ $35k
XB auction ended early @ $93k
XD auction ended early @ $32k
VK auction ended early @ $53k

someone will feel ripped off with that 'VH' charger ....... just saying
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Old 23-05-2021, 08:40 PM   #49
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A Pair of NOS XD/XE side mirrors just had 40 bids on eBay, selling for $1775.
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Old 24-05-2021, 03:48 PM   #50
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I reckon that force 7 would be a good pickup at 250 or so.
You can buy a stock ****box falcon/commodore/chrysler and make a replica of whatever model you fancy. And in the end brocks blue meanie, is just another fast hdt/hsv, a year later there was a better faster one.

But the force7 can never be imitated and was never "improved" . Nobody can say yes your 1974 force 7 was good, but my 1975 had a more powerful engine etc.

Its truly an extreme rarity, and a great -if sad- backstory. From every angle you look at it you know straight away this is something you have never seen before. . People that want one can only buy the real thing. That has to make it worth a lot in years to come.

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Old 25-05-2021, 08:30 PM   #51
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Didn't move from $315009 plus premium. Was hearing wild predictions of $800k-$1.2m. Maybe the crypto crash washed some of the bidders out.
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Just to keep some perspective here ...

The best list price that I can find for a 1982 Ford Fairmont Ghia XE Auto is $19,783 (V8+AC+PS)

https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/deta...OT-ITM-222171/

Using the RBA inflation calculator, that becomes $71,495 in today's dollars.

Using Noel Whittaker's historical stock market calculator, if the sale price of the XE was placed into the stock market in February 1982 and all dividends reinvested, that $19,783 would have turned into $1,371,375 today (compounding 11.8%). Nothing funky, just invest in the bread and butter Australian All Ordinaries Accumulation Index.

Don't forget, those stocks don't need insurance, rego, oil changes, routine maintenance, new door handles every month, nor take up 5mx2m of garage space.
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Sold for $354,759.
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Sold for $354,759.
Plus Buyers Premium...
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Which is probably around 26.5k taking it to around $380K
Not bad for an old 302 Falcon.
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The 302 manuals were the rarest with the least amount build numbers, this car has a bit of history to it. These prices are for the rich and wealthy, lucky buggers.
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did anyone view the coupe in person?

was sure it would go for more than the chicken coupe - maybe the story on the chicken coupe was worth the extra couple hundy?
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Just to keep some perspective here ...

The best list price that I can find for a 1982 Ford Fairmont Ghia XE Auto is $19,783 (V8+AC+PS)

https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/deta...OT-ITM-222171/

Using the RBA inflation calculator, that becomes $71,495 in today's dollars.

Using Noel Whittaker's historical stock market calculator, if the sale price of the XE was placed into the stock market in February 1982 and all dividends reinvested, that $19,783 would have turned into $1,371,375 today (compounding 11.8%). Nothing funky, just invest in the bread and butter Australian All Ordinaries Accumulation Index.
and that's without the added costs of keeping a car that long, plus costs for the extra land for a shed or warehouse etc..

even at these absurd prices - its just not worth it.
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Just for comparison for similar money on carsales is a 1973 Porsche 911
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-7153525/?Cr=5

not my cup of tea either but "its a Porsche"

there's an 81 model 911 with the big whale tail for $60K bargain in comparison
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Fairmont ghia esp the top falcon of its day

no power windows
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