6 Cyl Mods

[StAndArdAU]

this is getting nasty :P

[StAndArdAU]

for me i see my car as one which i'm gonna have until i mature enough to actually save some money and get a new one thats already as fast/powerful/economical/beautiful as the ideal car i want my current one to be.

i'm not a street racer, i don't need to blow away skylines, just an aquaintance with a HDT enhanced (so it says on the ID plate in the engine bay) commodore Ute...

[FTE217]

Cheez this is like admitting I'm happy with a 6" ---k !

[HOTC2R]

Originally Posted by antilooped

personally, nothing beats pure naturally aspirated grunt, you want more horsies, you get a bigger motor. Turbos are cheating.

Go and take a XR6 turbo for a test drive. Plenty of horsies..!!!!!!!! And an edit will give you plenty more..!!! I bet Ford don't think all the ones that they have produced and helped to get back market share from commonwhores is cheating..

[jonbays]

Its not all about how fast you can go or how quick you can get there. We are all talking about road registered cars here not racing cars aren't we?

If you had a 17 second bargeass wagon you would be thrilled to run mid 15's. I am.
13 sec road cars start to become a hobby 2nd car awful quick and you wind up taking the bus or driving the hyundai to work.

[chief]

Go the Bucky with all your blingness.

I think that since you have the looks now you just need to catch up with them and the best way is a stroked V8. People have XR8' and XR6's but no XR6 with a V8. It would be a great mod to do and get some great power. Not many people change their six to an eight. They go and get the eight strait up. It would be unique.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Your so silly. Pretty beats performance anyday.

My goals were simple. But this is about performance not bling bling. I have no I6 mods planned. It will remain a stocker for ever :

Stocker? With pacemakers and 2.5" exhaust, it is no longer stock Bucky, so don't fool yourself into thinking that you've done no engine mods.

I have a semi-modded 6 and an 8, and some days the 6 does feel as good as the 8 - then I wake up! Nah, really, both cars are great, and if I could have 2 8s I would, but the 6 does very well at family duties, and the gassed 8 is my daily driver/commuter/weekend warrior.

[heckaz performance]

Put is this way. SAY IT WITH YOUR TIMESLIP.
I have a 6cyl NA EF, I have done better Times at Willowbank than an AU 347 stroker that was at the same meet.

What times you runnin?
NA 6 vs Windsor any day.
NA 6's into 13's
How many unstroked stock headed, late model windsors are doing this?
Apparently the v8 heads got better from AU on,
but thats because if something wasn't done, the six would've been more powerful.

Don't XR6's beat XR8's in the E and A series?

V8's will always sound better though. (Fat lot of good that'll do you when you get blown away by a 6)

[Futura01]

I Am A Die Hard I6 Fan Handsdown And I Believe After You Have Drivin A Decent I6 !! You Will See Potential And That Will Rise You Too A Challange Within Yourself .....!!!!!!

[JC]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

Put is this way. SAY IT WITH YOUR TIMESLIP.
I have a 6cyl NA EF, I have done better Times at Willowbank than an AU 347 stroker that was at the same meet.

What times you runnin?
NA 6 vs Windsor any day.
NA 6's into 13's
How many unstroked stock headed, late model windsors are doing this?
Apparently the v8 heads got better from AU on,
but thats because if something wasn't done, the six would've been more powerful.

Don't XR6's beat XR8's in the E and A series?

V8's will always sound better though. (Fat lot of good that'll do you when you get blown away by a 6)

Power is one thing, but you can't beat torque, and V8s have it in bucket loads.

Do the same mods you have done to your 6 to a 5.0 EFI 8, and the 8 will win anyday of the week. Stock AU3 autos put out 160rwkw. that's a lot of $$$ to get a NA6 to the same rwkw, let alone same 1/4 mile (stock AU3 into 14s, easy). Just ask Casper how much it's going to cost to get his car to break into the 14s - around $4k, I reckon, minimum, plus the hi stall, so closer to 5 or 6k. The same $$$ on a windsor EFI 8 will see low 14s, and even into 13s (that would be cam, exhaust & tune, basically). A Falcon NA6 is never going to beat an NA V8. Stock vs Stock, and mod for mod, the 8 WILL win. Yes, things were close in the E series cars (and for EB to EF XR6, yes it was quicker in manual form than the V8), but from EL1 XR8 through to series 3 AU, the V8s rule hands down.

See what you started Bucky! Moderator? - more like instigator!

[DENKO]

my achievement with my car is to be running low 13's with no turbo or supercharger or v8 engine!

[JC]

Here are the performance figures as tested by various magazines for the AU series. I've removed LWB versions, as we are really talking SWB here (so no wagons, sorry Jonbays):

XR/T-series
AUIII TE50 V8 5.6 M5 250 6.0 14.1
AUII XR8 Utility V8 5.0 M5 200 6.5 14.5
AUIII TS50 V8 5.6 M5 250 6.3 14.6
AUII TE50 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.3 14.7
AUII XR8 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.6 14.8
AUI TE50 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.7 14.9
AUII TS50 V8 5.0 A4 220 7.2 15.2
AUI XR8 V8 5.0 M5 185 7.2 15.2
AU XR6 HP 6 4.0 M5 164 7.9 15.3 (first of the 6's)
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 A4 172 8.1 15.6
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 M5 172 8.2 15.7
AU XR6 HP 6 4.0 M5 164 8.2 15.8
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 A4 172 8.0 15.9

Non-XRs
AU Fairmont Ghia V8 5.0 A4 175 7.9 15.7
AU Falcon S 6 4.0 M5 157 7.9 15.8
AU Fairmont Ghia 6 4.0 A4 168 8.2 16.1
AU Forte 6 4.0 A4 157 8.8 16.3
AU Futura 6 4.0 A4 157 9.0 16.4
AU Fairmont 6 4.0 A4 157 9.3 16.8

In each section, the first 6 appears after the last 8. And these are stock. End of argument.

[Futura01]

Well My Mission Is To Build A I6 Sohc Engine That Will Break A 13sec Pass At Eastern Creek !!! With Off The Shelf Peformance Parts Not Jmm Parts Or Theorys But Genuine Off The Shelf By Over The Counter Parts....
And This Can Be Done !!!! Has Been Done In A Ebxr6

[EFFalcon]

Originally Posted by Smoked

8 times internal friction of rotating mass against 6 times internal friction.
Thats 25% efficiency difference and while you have 2 more sources of power to overcome resistance, you would have to really spend big bucks to make the 8 as efficient as the 6 at highway speeds.

there may be 2 more cylinders, but the pistons are different sizes, this throwing that arguement out of whack, and thats only 1 part of the efficiency puzzle, not 25%.

you don't have to spend big bucks either, a good tune will make a big differnece alone.

[DENKO]

i hear apparently the au engines have a low compression engine which means really good for bolt on turbo's is this true?

[JC]

Originally Posted by S-MAN

i hear apparently the au engines have a low compression engine which means really good for bolt on turbo's is this true?

Um, No.

[DENKO]

im not saying straight bolt on but wif the right parts eg: xr6t manifold and etc!

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by JC

Here are the performance figures as tested by various magazines for the AU series. I've removed LWB versions, as we are really talking SWB here (so no wagons, sorry Jonbays):

XR/T-series
AUIII TE50 V8 5.6 M5 250 6.0 14.1
AUII XR8 Utility V8 5.0 M5 200 6.5 14.5
AUIII TS50 V8 5.6 M5 250 6.3 14.6
AUII TE50 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.3 14.7
AUII XR8 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.6 14.8
AUI TE50 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.7 14.9
AUII TS50 V8 5.0 A4 220 7.2 15.2
AUI XR8 V8 5.0 M5 185 7.2 15.2
AU XR6 HP 6 4.0 M5 164 7.9 15.3 (first of the 6's)
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 A4 172 8.1 15.6
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 M5 172 8.2 15.7
AU XR6 HP 6 4.0 M5 164 8.2 15.8
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 A4 172 8.0 15.9

Non-XRs
AU Fairmont Ghia V8 5.0 A4 175 7.9 15.7
AU Falcon S 6 4.0 M5 157 7.9 15.8
AU Fairmont Ghia 6 4.0 A4 168 8.2 16.1
AU Forte 6 4.0 A4 157 8.8 16.3
AU Futura 6 4.0 A4 157 9.0 16.4
AU Fairmont 6 4.0 A4 157 9.3 16.8

In each section, the first 6 appears after the last 8. And these are stock. End of argument.

I have been waiting for the facts ! Hey JC good to see the S1 TRUMP the HAD :
I keep laughing inside how an I6 is going to blow me off (figuratively speaking), yes granted they go great but after you have spent a bucket load to Really get them going. Forget turbos etc we are talking NA.
It's similar to the short man's syndrome, very loud to be the centre of attention but still comes up short : :thebirds:

[JC]

Originally Posted by S-MAN

im not saying straight bolt on but wif the right parts eg: xr6t manifold and etc!

1. wif is not a word
2. AU never came out with a 6t option.
3. If you mean BA XR6T manifold - which one? Intake, or exhaust? And surely these are bolt ons, if they even fit (though pretty sure they don't fit).
4. Manifold does not affect compression - the head would though, as would pistons and gasket thickness, deck height, rod length, crank, etc

BD - yep, piston envy leads to illusions of grandeur. Just because an I6 can beat a hyundai accent, doesn't mean it can beat a V8.

[blackers10]

i have a 6..
and i think of it this way..
if 6s were fast..theyd be in feraris and most high end super/race cars..

but in the end.. anything can beat almost anything else with the right $$ thrown at it..

[JC]

Originally Posted by blackers10

i have a 6..
and i think of it this way..
if 6s were fast..theyd be in feraris and most high end super/race cars..

but in the end.. anything can beat almost anything else with the right $$ thrown at it..

Spot on!

[heckaz performance]

I have done better times than a 347 stroker at Willowbank, with a 6.
It had double the amount of $$$ thrown at it than my car.

What times ya runnin?

Doing a run to get your times, is different from reading what a book reckons.
SAY IT WITH YOUR TIMESLIP!!!!!!!!!!!

[5speedeb]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

***edited***
I have done better times than a 347 stroker at Willowbank, with a 6.
It had double the amount of $$$ thrown at it than my car.

What times ya runnin?
***edited***

Doing a run to get your times, is different from reading what a book reckons.
SAY IT WITH YOUR TIMESLIP!!!!!!!!!!!

show us your time slip

[heckaz performance]

It was only a 15.3 @ 92mph,
But thats all it took.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

It was only a 15.3 @ 92mph,
But thats all it took.

Um, that wouldnt beat half the I6's here, autos included. 347 strokers would leave you somewhere around 20 carlenghts behind with that time.

[heckaz performance]

That was pretty tame to be edited.
This thread has the same level of offence to some, no edit

[5speedeb]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

That was pretty tame to be edited.
This thread has the same level of offence to some, no edit

mate shows your time slip if you wont any sort of credit here

[INJECTED_250]

I mean big deal the auxr8 beats the AUxr6hp by .1 second over the 1/4..... With a whole litre more... THe efi WHEASORS are nothing to be scared of at the drag strip or the street. THe 5.4's are a whole differnt story :>.. How many AU series v8's 5.0's run in the 13's ? there may be a few mabie even a few 12 second cars, but not without decent mods. Most with minor mods would be in the low 14's. A manual EA 5speed with a 1004 and a set of 3.9's will do that.
U can Get any motor going as hard as u want it all depends on the money u turf at it. Sure at the end of the day the 5.0 is going to get you just on cubes, and in the end produce more power. THe fun in doing up a 6 is beating people who shoot there mouths of saying it carnt be done and a v8s what u need

[HLC]

Originally Posted by JC

Here are the performance figures as tested by various magazines for the AU series. I've removed LWB versions, as we are really talking SWB here (so no wagons, sorry Jonbays):

XR/T-series
AUIII TE50 V8 5.6 M5 250 6.0 14.1
AUII XR8 Utility V8 5.0 M5 200 6.5 14.5
AUIII TS50 V8 5.6 M5 250 6.3 14.6
AUII TE50 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.3 14.7
AUII XR8 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.6 14.8
AUI TE50 V8 5.0 M5 220 6.7 14.9
AUII TS50 V8 5.0 A4 220 7.2 15.2
AUI XR8 V8 5.0 M5 185 7.2 15.2
AU XR6 HP 6 4.0 M5 164 7.9 15.3 (first of the 6's)
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 A4 172 8.1 15.6
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 M5 172 8.2 15.7
AU XR6 HP 6 4.0 M5 164 8.2 15.8
AU XR6 VCT 6 4.0 A4 172 8.0 15.9

Non-XRs
AU Fairmont Ghia V8 5.0 A4 175 7.9 15.7
AU Falcon S 6 4.0 M5 157 7.9 15.8
AU Fairmont Ghia 6 4.0 A4 168 8.2 16.1
AU Forte 6 4.0 A4 157 8.8 16.3
AU Futura 6 4.0 A4 157 9.0 16.4
AU Fairmont 6 4.0 A4 157 9.3 16.8

In each section, the first 6 appears after the last 8. And these are stock. End of argument.

my car is an absolute MISSILE!

[heckaz performance]

Originally Posted by Casper

Um, that wouldnt beat half the I6's here, autos included. 347 strokers would leave you somewhere around 20 carlenghts behind with that time.

Actually go to the drags, instead of looking up times in books.
The 347 ran 15.3 too (a few more hundreths than mine) and is in several magazines saying so. (seeing you belive books so much)

That was on the given (hot) day, In sunny QLD at Willowbank,
there were traffic jams the whole way there,
even staging lanes were busy,
Cars were hot enough to cook eggs on the bonnet.

Both cars would run quicker if I was quoting the best times acievable.

Most e-a series Winsors will never go quicker than 13's

achievable with a worked 6cyl.

And no Casper, we would have been side by side over the line.
(We did not race eachother)


Temperature, Track conditions, Wind etc
Can all effect our times,
The times quoted in a book,'
are the best achieved in perfect conditions,
With no compulsorary burnout,
No one staging next to you,
All the time in the world to let the engine cool etc. etc...
Not very real world.
Timeslips dont lie.

What 347 are you Talking about Casper,
Sound like your quoting TE50 figures.

The 347 I raced was real Casper, not theoretical like your quote.