New Driving Lights - Page 2

janek · 13-06-2006, 04:09 PM

hey, dont knock those things.

I have 4 of them hidden inside the upper lip, they look awesome, and light up the road massively, though not having a huge range, they look hot (almost like a train :P ) and give a safe, but fair amount of light

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by janek

hey, dont knock those things.

I have 4 of them hidden inside the upper lip, they look awesome, and light up the road massively, though not having a huge range, they look hot (almost like a train :P ) and give a safe, but fair amount of light

Im not knocking them ;) , if i lived in the country i would have them too , but being i live around the city and use mine mainly for looks (they are on all the time with the parkers & headlights ), i decided to go the smaller 1's .

im an old fan of the bush utes covered in big spottys/drivinglights/huge bars etc etc ..love'em ..lol

Dazza XLT · 13-06-2006, 04:32 PM

Good to hear!

Orbit · 13-06-2006, 04:55 PM

indeed!!!
Atleast you can admit that they are for looks to though lol.
I don't know how many people have sworn blind to me that they have these "awesome" lights that make such a huge differnce and how they avioded a HUGE mob of roo's, buffalo, emus or elephants wearing tuto's...smile and nod... smile and nod lol.

I will admit they are pretty useful in fog though.
And if you want short range lighting they are ideal....why you'd want that i don't know... but i never said i new everything lol.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Orbit

indeed!!!
Atleast you can admit that they are for looks to though lol.
I don't know how many people have sworn blind to me that they have these "awesome" lights that make such a huge differnce and how they avioded a HUGE mob of roo's, buffalo, emus or elephants wearing tuto's...smile and nod... smile and nod lol.

I will admit they are pretty useful in fog though.
And if you want short range lighting they are ideal....why you'd want that i don't know... but i never said i new everything lol.

;) i got no problem admiting that at least 95% of the reason i got them was for looks , i could see fine without them anyways , but i like the look of the driving lights on any cars really. Even alot of people have said my car looks better with them , which i explained to them that was the main reason why i got them ..lol

On my car they are just a bit of a 'bling bling' factor i think ..lol ;)

janek · 13-06-2006, 05:07 PM

same here, looks is #1. But its good to have more light on the road on the hwy. And if someone highbeams you, its nice to throw 4x55w, 2x130, 2x80 and 4x100W at them

Gotta love 1000 Watts of light!

janek · 13-06-2006, 05:08 PM

On a sedan, mind you

Orbit · 13-06-2006, 05:10 PM

1000W....where are the pics?
i'm only running at....500W lol

Dazza XLT · 13-06-2006, 05:12 PM

1000w... Now thats overkill.
500W and Orbit can see into the next state...

TwistedEL · 13-06-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by T3man

As far as driving lights go I'm afraid they will be next to useless fitted that close to the ground. Good position to fit fog lights but driving lights need to be as close to eye level as possible. Also, size DOES matter - they are a bit on the weeney side aren't they

JC> To use negative or earth switching all you need do is feed the +ive supply directly to the relay terminal #85 and in turn you put your switch in the earthing wire from terminal #86. The relay used is the same.

For driving lights it is not compulsory to have a separate controlling switch - as long as they cannot be operated except in conjunction with your main (high) beam headlights.

With fog lights it is compulsory to have a separate switch and they must be wired through either your park lights or dipped (low) beam lights.

Here's a couple of driving lights ...

DONT DO THIS
Depending on the trigger, you are likely to blow your BEM out of the sky!
BEM puts out +5V to most of its ground triggers, you'll be feeding very high current & voltage into somewhere it's not supposed to go. If you have any earthing problems whatsoeve the BEM is likely to become an expensive paperweight (the slightest resistance on the trigger will cause +7V to be fed back into the BEM)

Don't risk it, spend the extra couple of dollars.

GTWHOA · 13-06-2006, 05:13 PM

Check this

AWD Chaser · 13-06-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Darran

Where's the car... All I see is a bull bar... or is that a mack with the fronts gaurds removed.... lol.

If I do have to run it off it's own power, this is not a prob, as I have all the power (all ready fused) for where some of the police connections went (lights, comp, etc...)... It made a pain when I blew a fuse the other day (dodgy trailer) - bloody 4 fuse boxes.... lol....

Not too rushed on wiring them up ATM, as here in Canberra, you can drive around at night without your lights on and not know it sometimes.... I'm just happy that those stupid black triangle things look like they are meant to be there now...

Orbit · 13-06-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Darran

1000w... Now thats overkill.
500W and Orbit can see into the next state...

mine is effective 1750W.....though....i run HID.... :alien2:

T3man · 13-06-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedEL

DONT DO THIS
Depending on the trigger, you are likely to blow your BEM out of the sky!
BEM puts out +5V to most of its ground triggers, you'll be feeding very high current & voltage into somewhere it's not supposed to go. If you have any earthing problems whatsoeve the BEM is likely to become an expensive paperweight (the slightest resistance on the trigger will cause +7V to be fed back into the BEM)

Don't risk it, spend the extra couple of dollars.

It has zero effect on the BEM - what do you think your headlights do for an earth? - they go the same place the BEM does and they are 12 (or 14.5) volts and draw at least 4amps each. The relay operates same voltage and draws less than 500mV.

PS We're talking an AU here - I know BAs do use a lot of BEM triggered devices and so they may have to be treated differently.

Dazza XLT · 13-06-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

Where's the car... All I see is a bull bar... or is that a mack with the fronts gaurds removed.... lol.

Thats why I have the bar!

And until ford can design a decent factory bullbar that doesn't just crush panels, I will stick with my 5 Poster.

JC · 13-06-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by T3man

It has zero effect on the BEM - what do you think your headlights do for an earth? - they go the same place the BEM does and they are 12 (or 14.5) volts and draw at least 4amps each. The relay operates same voltage and draws less than 500mV.

PS We're talking an AU here - I know BAs do use a lot of BEM triggered devices and so they may have to be treated differently.

Thanks - I actually want it for the ESS gear changing thingy, and I know that it's a +5v system. Will a 12V relay work OK with a 5V power source? I'm guessing the 5V is max/nominal rating and that it should work OK with 5?

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 06:45 PM

I think it would work but work incorrectely ( the relay mechanism wouldn't be moving fast enough i think ) , you can actually get 5v relays .

voodooal · 13-06-2006, 06:49 PM

Guys fitting some driving lights to my BA and was thinking of running them off my parkers parkers to fuse to relay to lights.what do you think

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 07:00 PM

I'll try explain this again , obtaining the 'main' + power source for you extra lights from the existing factory lights/wiring is a no no , you will be drawing to many amps through the original light wiring and possible cause a fire ! . or blow the fuse for ya main lights and burn out the wiring .

Everything should be coming off / going to your new extra relay .. power from battery to a seperate inline fuse to relay, on/off switch going to the relay , extra wire from parkers going to the relay (to activate them from ya main light switch , being the main on/off switch), the + from your new lights wiring going to the relay and the - on ya new lights earther to the body etc etc .

TwistedEL · 13-06-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by T3man

It has zero effect on the BEM - what do you think your headlights do for an earth? - they go the same place the BEM does and they are 12 (or 14.5) volts and draw at least 4amps each. The relay operates same voltage and draws less than 500mV.

PS We're talking an AU here - I know BAs do use a lot of BEM triggered devices and so they may have to be treated differently.

It depends on what the trigger is. If the trigger is used by the BEM it's a no no.
The headlights don't ground on a neg trigger, they ground on the chassis.
For example, if you wired up a relay to turn on when you pushed the demister button (just an example), and there was a dirty joint where the switch grounded then *BANG* 7 volts potential difference the wrong way.
If you wired up a new switch then you can do it however the hell you want.

My point is, don't wire it the way you described to a sensor already in use by the BEM (door ajar sensors, dash buttons, etc).

Orbit · 13-06-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooal

Guys fitting some driving lights to my BA and was thinking of running them off my parkers parkers to fuse to relay to lights.what do you think

BAD idea.
They will come on when your parkers come on.....that would be illegal....and wouldn't extinguish on selection of low beam....also illegal.
You'll need to run a seperate circuit, switch and relay with fuse close to the battery and wire the DRIVING? lights into the high beam.

IF they are FOG lights wiring them to the parkers is all good, put the fuse close to the battery though not close to the switch.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 07:32 PM

check your local laws for your state , check them carefully ! - in some states you can have driving lights by them selves or with the parkers on, or with the normal driving lights on, or with high beam on ! , depending on the size and wattage of them too also comes into account in some states weather they can legally be on with the parker/lights or not .

Its fine to wire it to switch on with the parkers even in states where it is illegal i believe , so long as u have an extra switch to turn your driving lights off too when your other lights are on / just incase if you drive to a state where it is illegal too or other reasons... and its good to have it this way too cos' then you can't accidentlly leave ya new driving lights on , like in a well lit carpark of a night etc etc and get a flat battery. And can also have ya lights on or off in any of the 3 light modes ( parkers / original driving lights / hi-beam ) .

Might as well as the pics of mine while im at it , everyone else seems to be ..lol

Orbit · 13-06-2006, 07:49 PM

It comes back to if they are DRIVING lights or FOG lights.
If you want a copy of the ADR (the piece of paper you will need if you contest a fine in court) i have the relavent one, pm me with an email address and i'll send it to you.

SIKSIX · 13-06-2006, 08:02 PM

what a mate of mine did in a VT dunnydoor, he hooked up a relay to the power windows so when he remotely opens the car the foggies/spotties turn on. you can do this by tapping into the interior light so when you open/unlock your car they turn on and then when you get out and lock the car they turn off. Also have a master switch to turn them on/off. and then if your handy with electricals you can run them off the headlight s/w, interior s/w, master s/w. if you game. but you will need NO/NC contacts on i rekon two relays....

TwistedEL · 13-06-2006, 08:04 PM

why? rofl
I dunno commodore drivers man what do you expect.

Did his neons come on as well?

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 08:11 PM

Yup you can hook a 12v relay to switch on from anything in ya car that is 12 operated/powered too . eg ..You could even run ya spotlights to a relay connected to your horn/air-horns to power them etc etc ..lol

AWD Chaser · 13-06-2006, 08:25 PM

bwahahaha - Highbeams and driving lights on relay to the horn...

That would be the funniest thing... edit someones BEM, so when they do something, another totaly random thing happens - window wipers make windows go down, door ajar to horn - lol - funny thoughts....

Will be wiring up the lights in a few days, so I'll come back here when I do it to get some help...

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 09:09 PM

This is just a quick drawing of the way i wired mine .

T3man · 13-06-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

check your local laws for your state , check them carefully ! - in some states you can have driving lights by them selves or with the parkers on, or with the normal driving lights on, or with high beam on ! , depending on the size and wattage of them too also comes into account in some states weather they can legally be on with the parker/lights or not .

Its fine to wire it to switch on with the parkers even in states where it is illegal i believe , so long as u have an extra switch to turn your driving lights off too when your other lights are on / just incase if you drive to a state where it is illegal too or other reasons... and its good to have it this way too cos' then you can't accidentlly leave ya new driving lights on , like in a well lit carpark of a night etc etc and get a flat battery. And can also have ya lights on or off in any of the 3 light modes ( parkers / original driving lights / hi-beam ) .

NOPE - the ADRs are the ADRs - they are national legislation and cannot be over-ridden by state rules. What I stated in my post regarding the wiring of driving and fog lights is TRUE for ALL States of Australia. This is simply the law and is not a debatable topic - I use the ADRs regularly so I do know what is in there.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-06-2006, 10:01 PM

Fair enough , but so long as you use them wisely and within reason / and you have a second switch to enable you to turn them off altogether no matter what, then no-one is gonna argue it i think ! , i have driven past tones of cops and through booze buses with both my driving lights and headlights running , nothing has ever been said . ;) .