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Old 09-07-2006, 09:31 AM   #31
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The laws in Australia are made to punish the good guys,biased towards the guys who make them,support the guys with lots of money and criminals get jail with a fully equiped gym,free meals,free bed,and colour television. I believe they get conjugal visits as well.

The law that ticks me off is that comapnies go bankrupt of billions of dollars and my money on work done for them ..I never get it. I can tell you that I cant lose 4 billion dollars.How big are their pockets to hide this amount? I could probably not spend that money in my life time.How big a turbo can I fit in the au?
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Criminals get jail with a fully equiped gym,free meals,free bed,and colour television. I believe they get conjugal visits as well.
Isn’t that shower time with Bubba? : :
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This copper sees my keys in the ignition and Proceeds to tell me off and give me a fine .... as if some one was going to steal my car as Me AND Mates are there .. :

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You'd be very very supprised at how often it happens, i have heard of a car that was flogged from a servo cause the driver left the keys in the car. Driver tried to run back but the theif beat him there and the guy locked the doors and drove off. A car was taken from WISDW not to long ago aswell, driver left the keys in the car and as he went to lift the bonnet a guy jumps in and drives off.
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I think its a stupid law that if somone breaks into your house you cant kill them. out: :
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Old 09-07-2006, 02:20 PM   #35
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I get ticked off with coppers who think they are god. A few years ago my son had a Gemini with a 2litre engine. He was at KFC getting lunch and as he drove off the rear wheels spun a bit in the wet. The car behind him was driven by an off duty copper on his way to work. The copper goes to work gets his uniform on then goes to my sons work to give him the fine. When my son nicely tried to point out the road was wet and that the wheel spin wasn't intentional the copper rings the tow company and his car was confiscated for 3 months plus all the fines etc. But what is even worse is that a drunk driver is far more dangerouse yet their car is not confiscated. Wheres the logic in that?
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I get ticked off with coppers who think they are god. A few years ago my son had a Gemini with a 2litre engine. He was at KFC getting lunch and as he drove off the rear wheels spun a bit in the wet. The car behind him was driven by an off duty copper on his way to work. The copper goes to work gets his uniform on then goes to my sons work to give him the fine. When my son nicely tried to point out the road was wet and that the wheel spin wasn't intentional the copper rings the tow company and his car was confiscated for 3 months plus all the fines etc. But what is even worse is that a drunk driver is far more dangerouse yet their car is not confiscated. Wheres the logic in that?
This is exactly the type of ***** that is going to be forced upon us now!

PS. I am surprised with the amount of people on here that are happy with
these laws.... I would expect that sort of stuff on CamryForums.com ...
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This is exactly the type of ***** that is going to be forced upon us now!

PS. I am surprised with the amount of people on here that are happy with
these laws.... I would expect that sort of stuff on CamryForums.com ...
If you live in a small street that can not have 2 cars park adjacent to each other as I do and see the idiots drive past at approx. 80kph with a previous history of a kid being bowled over
you may understand why.
I DO NOT WANT MY KIDS TO BE THE NEXT VICTOM
this is ment to reflection of the small amout of police officers that may abuse the new laws
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This is exactly the type of ***** that is going to be forced upon us now!

PS. I am surprised with the amount of people on here that are happy with
these laws.... I would expect that sort of stuff on CamryForums.com ...
I don’t think many people here are actually happy with the new laws, there’s a lot of grey areas in the legislation. My local member has already copped an earful over this. I’m still compiling a detailed complaint over these new draconian laws.
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I get ticked off with coppers who think they are god. A few years ago my son had a Gemini with a 2litre engine. He was at KFC getting lunch and as he drove off the rear wheels spun a bit in the wet. The car behind him was driven by an off duty copper on his way to work. The copper goes to work gets his uniform on then goes to my sons work to give him the fine. When my son nicely tried to point out the road was wet and that the wheel spin wasn't intentional the copper rings the tow company and his car was confiscated for 3 months plus all the fines etc. But what is even worse is that a drunk driver is far more dangerouse yet their car is not confiscated. Wheres the logic in that?

I think these laws will be ok if Police use discretion and common sense, stuff like this Gemini incident will cause a huge backlash and sour relations with Police.
Not to mention choking up the courts with people that choose to take it that far.
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If you live in a small street that can not have 2 cars park adjacent to each other as I do and see the idiots drive past at approx. 80kph with a previous history of a kid being bowled over
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I DO NOT WANT MY KIDS TO BE THE NEXT VICTOM
this is ment to reflection of the small amout of police officers that may abuse the new laws
Might help if you tech your kids to keep off the road or not to walk out in front of oncoming car's. If a kid walks out infront of a car doing 8o or a car doing 5o they are still going to get hit.
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Might help if you tech your kids to keep off the road or not to walk out in front of oncoming car's. If a kid walks out infront of a car doing 8o or a car doing 5o they are still going to get hit.
you are the type of person that these hoon laws were written because of.
you justify traveling 80k`s in a 50 k zone.
and no my kids dont play out the front but believe it or not they do need to go to school which involves useing the footpath.
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Might help if you tech your kids to keep off the road or not to walk out in front of oncoming car's. If a kid walks out infront of a car doing 8o or a car doing 5o they are still going to get hit.
I suggest you take three deep breaths, count to ten and think this through perhaps once or twice again.
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you are the type of person that these hoon laws were written because of.
you justify traveling 80k`s in a 50 k zone.
and no my kids dont play out the front but believe it or not they do need to go to school wich involves useing the footpath.
Pretty dumb comment seeing as you have never seen me drive, unless it was an assumption you made from the type of car i drive.

And i never justified speeding, 95% of kids who are hit just walk out in front of car's. It has nothing to do with speed. What does the footpath have anything to do with this, are they not OFF the road. Last time i checked every school around my area now has children crossings so there shouldn't be an issue there.
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I never made an assumption based on your car.
but you are telling me to keep my kids off the street.
this was after me saying about cars traveling at approx. 80 kph in my street. (WHY WOULD I MAKE AN ASSUMPTION HERE?)
we have had cars lose control and do all sorts of damage.
and believe it or not but a school crossing willnot save the life of a child when there is a ******** behind the wheel.
And as for the speed a hit at 80kph will do a lot more damage than a hit at 50kph.
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Might help if you tech your kids to keep off the road or not to walk out in front of oncoming car's. If a kid walks out infront of a car doing 8o or a car doing 5o they are still going to get hit.
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I never made an assumption based on your car.
but you are telling me to keep my kids off the street.
this was after me saying about cars traveling at approx. 80 kph in my street. (WHY WOULD I MAKE AN ASSUMPTION HERE?)
we have had cars lose control and do all sorts of damage.
and believe it or not but a school crossing willnot save the life of a child when there is a ******** behind the wheel.
And as for the speed a hit at 80kph will do a lot more damage than a hit at 50kph.

remmber these comments?
You said i am the type of person these hoon laws were written because of, how can you justify that without knowing how i drive.

If they weren't on the road they wouldn't get hit weather the car is speeding or not, correct. I'm not aiming this at you but parent's need to take more responsibility, teach their child not to run out on the road for any reason. It's not purley the driver's fault a child get's hit.
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Let me get this right.
So the car that lost control at 8 am inthe morning, 2 doors from my house over the gutter then over the footpath through the fence was somehow a child walking on the footpaths fault
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If you live in a small street that can not have 2 cars park adjacent to each other as I do and see the idiots drive past at approx. 80kph with a previous history of a kid being bowled over
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I DO NOT WANT MY KIDS TO BE THE NEXT VICTOM
this is ment to reflection of the small amout of police officers that may abuse the new laws
these were my original comments and then you attacked me with this
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Might help if you tech your kids to keep off the road or not to walk out in front of oncoming car's. If a kid walks out infront of a car doing 8o or a car doing 5o they are still going to get hit.
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you are the type of person that these hoon laws were written because of.
I am a realistic person saying that I agree with the hoon laws
but you for some reason think that I let my kids play on the road
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I think XRQTOR was pointing out that based on your argument of "keeping your kids safe", most kids are hurt when they are crossing the road, sometimes dangerously.

hes not wrong.

I dont think he was saying its your kids fault if they get hit.
The new laws arent going to save your kids from that sort of situation.
The drivers who get sideways in backstreets, around schools, etc are still going to do that stuff.


Youre entitled to your opinion, i just thought id point out that A. XRQTOR wasnt exactly having a go at you and your kids and B. a guy doing a burnout in an industrial area isnt in danger of bowling over your kids
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Drivers responsibility to avoid obstacles just as it is their responsibility to avoid pedestrians. Its alot easier to do this at 50 than it is at 80.
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I think XRQTOR was pointing out that based on your argument of "keeping your kids safe", most kids are hurt when they are crossing the road, sometimes dangerously.

hes not wrong.

I dont think he was saying its your kids fault if they get hit.
The new laws arent going to save your kids from that sort of situation.
The drivers who get sideways in backstreets, around schools, etc are still going to do that stuff.


Youre entitled to your opinion, i just thought id point out that A. XRQTOR wasnt exactly having a go at you and your kids and B. a guy doing a burnout in an industrial area isnt in danger of bowling over your kids
Thanks for clearing that up mate.
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I have hoons coming into our industrial area, leaving burnouts and then racing up the street. I call the cops on these fools and report their number plate. Additionally, I have a friend who patrols our local area and expedites finding these morons.
Why do I do it?
Well, often I am working late, and the smell of some f***wits tyres isn't that appealing. Additionally, the moron who smashed into the front of my building last year and had no insurance for his "fooly sik" WRX was reason enough for me to be cautious. But as much as this bothers me nothing bothers me as much as the amount of accidents I had to attend to, and the people who were my age at the time looking at the end of their lives on some stupid notion of being a hero. Worse still is these people hurting innocent bystanders.

Lets be brutally honest here. If doing donuts is a source of pleasure then you must be a f***wit. How stupid, immature and childish can you get. Why normal people should be subjected to some idiot who has probably very poor hand/eye coordination and the ever emerging prospect that his luck will run out as he crashes at speed is beyond me.
It is the epitome of self absorption that all other road users are subjected to your idea of a good time. Serial speeders who think that they are better than most all cry the same when they're caught in a wreckage, especially when there are few prospects for their survival. If some Pseudo Macho psyche tells you to do burnouts, be a pest, race to the lights etc then remember these words: You are an inbred, stupid bastard with an IQ less than 50 who gets his jolly's from pushing a pedal - Everyone can do what you do, its just that nobody else wants to be such a f***wit.

Save it for the track, where there is facility to deal with any problem that should arise.

So to answer your question, I don't think the hoon laws are a bad thing.
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I can understand the Angst but, make sure it is directed to the RIGHT place.
Police do NOT make the Laws, politicians and Judges make laws.

As to the bit about burn outs, the IDIOTS who do this on PUBLIC roads DESERVED to be fined no matter WHAT time it is. You see, these same people who do this are what drains the resources of the state. They get injured sometimes doing this and along the way WE the tax payer pay for their stupidity?

I have IDIOTS racing along my street and they think it is their GOD given right to do so. I have NO sympathy for any of them and I can't wait for the day that they get caught. I don't want to see a little kiddy killed because of Juvenille bravado.
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You’ve brought up some good points here, LTD and Papa Smurf and I doubt that many here would disagree with you, however, there’s still a lot of grey areas in the legislation. As far as I’m concerned, any moron who wants to burn rubber in a suburban street or industrial area deserves everything they cop, pardon the pun.

Where some of the problems are is in the street racing area. If you decide to give your car a quick rev away from the lights in an 80 zone, and so does the bloke beside you, under the new legislation, this is deemed street racing and if you end up with a copper that doesn’t like the way you comb your hair, your car can be impounded. You may have only reached 80 in the 80 zone, however, this doesn’t matter.

I dare say that there will be many scenarios like this that will be tested in court.
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You’ve brought up some good points here, LTD and Papa Smurf and I doubt that many here would disagree with you, however, there’s still a lot of grey areas in the legislation. As far as I’m concerned, any moron who wants to burn rubber in a suburban street or industrial area deserves everything they cop, pardon the pun.

Where some of the problems are is in the street racing area. If you decide to give your car a quick rev away from the lights in an 80 zone, and so does the bloke beside you, under the new legislation, this is deemed street racing and if you end up with a copper that doesn’t like the way you comb your hair, your car can be impounded. You may have only reached 80 in the 80 zone, however, this doesn’t matter.

I dare say than there will be many scenarios like this that will be tested in court.
There has already been a guy fined for this a couple of years back. Pretty sure it was an SS commie and he accelerated rapidly to 100kmph speed limit as he was going up the on ramp to a motorway. Fairly sure he was a more experienced driver, late 40's. There was no other car involved and i think the charge was dangerous driving.

My point i guess is that there has always been grey areas.
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Well thats 1 fine i can tell you is REALY Realy stupid
Its a $135 fine AND 1 point ..

I parked my car out the front of the bank. Got out and stood out on the footparth and talked to a few M8s .. like we used to do every friday night.. (from 7pm till 9pm)
Cops walk along and generally They are good .. They look around the cars and maybe tell you to " Just get it fixed" and making them self seen so nothing stupid happends .
This copper sees my keys in the ignition and Proceeds to tell me off and give me a fine .... as if some one was going to steal my car as Me AND Mates are there .. :
Doesnt seem that illogical to me. In the rare circumstance where you get ripped off whilst going in to pay petrol or grab some cash from an ATM machine... where's your first port of call?

1. The police, to file a report - and most likley demand some sort of action be taken.

Second port of call?

2. Commentary regarding the downfall of society and the government's failure in this regard.

Considering this, it comes as little suprise that laws exist to encourage people to secure their vehicles.
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My 22 yo son came out with a pearl of wisdom yesterday, he said that "all these laws will do is increase the amout of Police chases", he reckons "hoons will still carry on, but take the number plates off and when the Police show up they just will take off and the Police will chase 'em. They're not going to say "here, have my car, it is OK"". A damm fine point from someone who moves in "the circle", but doesn't do the hooning
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the government must have a share in the speed/raceways- pay money to thrash your car, when its already costing an arm and a leg just to drive it normal...lol
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There's some stranger laws as well.

1) It's illegal to park your horse and not tie them up after dismount.
2) The stupid headlight dipping rule of 200 metres (this was created when car headlights were crap a long time ago ... 200m is bugger all on a highway .... it should be changed to line-of-sight. Truck drivers will agree with me here.
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It is illegal to wear hot pink pants after midday Sunday.

You must have a neck to knee swimsuit in order to swim at Brighton Beach.

Until the Port Arthur Killings it was legal to own an AK-47 but not legal to be gay.

Lawmakers are proposing a new law that will not allow anyone to come closer than 100 meters from a dead whale's carcass.

thieved from http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/australia/


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Australian Road Rule 218 - Using headlights on high-beam

(1) The driver of a vehicle must not use the vehicles headlights on high-beam, or allow the vehicles headlights to be used on high-beam, if the driver is driving:
(a) less than 200 metres behind a vehicle travelling in the same direction as the driver, or
(b) less than 200 metres from an oncoming vehicle.

(2) However, if the driver is overtaking a vehicle, the driver may briefly switch the headlights from low-beam to high-beam immediately before the driver begins to overtake the vehicle.
Interestingly, it used to say "or if the other vehicle dips their headlights first" in the Victorian Road Traffice Regulations, before we went to National Road Rules in 1999.
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