Traction Please!!

[foxtrot]

Im on 215x16's, when I get my 18's I'll have them check over everything but im sure its the cheapo rear tyres

[TEaaron]

Originally Posted by foxtrot

Had my car for just on a month now..

AU 1 XR6 5 speed.

Anyone else have the problem that in the wet it just wants to slide all over the freekin road!!

I wasn't getting up it.. the engine was cold.. im on my way to work this morning, 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear, sideways up the road trying to correct the car and stay in my damn lane!

Anyone else have this problem I WAS NOT even getting up the car! the tyres maybe cheap (dealer fitted) but they have plenty of tread!

Anyone else got some scary storys and close calls.. geese scary in the wet!!!

Yeah this happens to me as well, only there's nothing wrong with my car.

[SirHenry]

Originally Posted by foxtrot

Im just hoping the 18's i purchased (I'll get them soon, the BA XR ones) help. They come with Firestone tyres which are probably also cheap... being 18's though im guessing will improve over 16's anyway.

I know a lot of people bag the Firestones but I had exactly the same probs with the standard 15" rim. I bought a pair of Firestone Wideovals 215/60/15 I've been on them for about six months and let me tell ya I found these puppies stick really nice in the wet, I have not had the same problems as what I did with my old Yokahamas.

In my humble opinion I like the Firestones better than their parent company Bridgestone. I know not everybody likes them but you just have to find what suits your driving style and your vehicle best.

Cheers
Chris

[StookEB]

I now this an AU forum but,
I had a similar problem, my tyres had gone hard over time and I nearly killed myself a couple of times in one day driving home. Well that was in a EA CFI, they were great fun but dangerous, now i've got hankook not sure of type but they only loose traction if you try and do it.

[stiddy]

Had my car for just on a month now..

AU 1 XR6 5 speed.

Anyone else have the problem that in the wet it just wants to slide all over the freekin road!!

I wasn't getting up it.. the engine was cold.. im on my way to work this morning, 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear, sideways up the road trying to correct the car and stay in my damn lane!

Anyone else have this problem I WAS NOT even getting up the car! the tyres maybe cheap (dealer fitted) but they have plenty of tread!

Anyone else got some scary storys and close calls.. geese scary in the wet!!!

LOL Finally someone knows what its like....

Foxtrot im in exactly the same boat as you.. AU1 XR6 5speed and NO traction in the wet, 3rd gear 70km/h and it will break out in a straight line if you get on it..
2000rpm 2nd gear around a corner and you have have to catch/correct it..
Idle off the line accelerate a little and the **** end is all skatey..

Its gotta be the live beam rear end, light car, camber/road surface and just the car itself..Does this to me even when running decent tyres and suspension.
Ive become used to it now.. and to be honest its actually pretty fun lol.

[foxtrot]

Originally Posted by stiddy

LOL Finally someone knows what its like....

Foxtrot im in exactly the same boat as you.. AU1 XR6 5speed and NO traction in the wet, 3rd gear 70km/h and it will break out in a straight line if you get on it..
2000rpm 2nd gear around a corner and you have have to catch/correct it..
Idle off the line accelerate a little and the **** end is all skatey..

Its gotta be the live beam rear end, light car, camber/road surface and just the car itself..Does this to me even when running decent tyres and suspension.
Ive become used to it now.. and to be honest its actually pretty fun lol.

I could hug you hahahaha. I luv u stiddy. jk

Yeah this morning i went around a corner in 2nd and yeah it slid out and i had to catch it hahaha everything you said is me me me.

Glad to know actually haha...
Was really fun when the cops came up next to me and eyed off me and the car.. i think they saw me but they didn't pull me over... it was on a slight rise so i even used the hand brake just to MAKE sure i didnt get any spin next to the cops lol.

Well im posting some piccys in that AU section and I'll write a bit up so come check it out. (You know what i mean the secion for pics & that)


EDIT: The above does not make much sense.. I meant after I slid out i got stopped at red lights then up came the cops.

And apologies I am in msn mode for talking.. I will try and snap out of it and stop posting like dis u kno wat i mean

[stiddy]

lol awww he wants a hug...

stidds@hotmail.com <--- msn

lol cop eyes you off.. lucky, I got done for neg driving.. but I wont get into that, I got into more trouble for laughing at his view of things.

Ive stopped trying to prevent it from being all over the shop, I just drive the thing if it goes sideways I catch it, if it spins I throttle it till it stops, if it starts sliding I close my eyes and pray I dont hit anything lol jk..
Nah all's good, just have to drive within the limits..

[GK]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Put the Sava's on the back at least for now.

Agreed.

If you swap them around and it's no better at all, then you get an idea if indeed it's the tyres or not.

It will cost you nothing but a bit of time to do it!

GK

[stiddy]

I will never run SAVA's on any car I ever own again, I had them on the celica and that was.. to put it bluntly.. ****ed..
Worst tyre ive ever driven on, I wouldnt even consider putting them on the XR, if a 80kw front wheel drive celica cant put power to the ground in the dry AND get tail happy,(ex missus even spun it out and smashed) theres no way they are going on a rear wheel drive car with twice the power.

[Abacus]

Originally Posted by stiddy

lol awww he wants a hug...

Be thankful he doesn't want anything else....

[foxtrot]

Originally Posted by stiddy

I will never run SAVA's on any car I ever own again, I had them on the celica and that was.. to put it bluntly.. ****ed..
Worst tyre ive ever driven on, I wouldnt even consider putting them on the XR, if a 80kw front wheel drive celica cant put power to the ground in the dry AND get tail happy,(ex missus even spun it out and smashed) theres no way they are going on a rear wheel drive car with twice the power.

lol, oooh battle of the boldest and i mean literally

Will it be the SRIXON4's or the Intensa's on the rear!!

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Put the Sava's on the back at least for now .... they are OK-ish ... but Srixon ... never heard of them ... so in other words ... absolute rubbish indeed.

I would prefer to have the better brand on the steer tyres myself. Minimal traction at the rear is far less deadly than on the front.

[foxtrot]

Im getting new wheels soon anyway the Firestones hopefully help? Well heres the slippery AU

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...d=1#post917074

[Abacus]

Originally Posted by Peuty

I would prefer to have the better brand on the steer tyres myself. Minimal traction at the rear is far less deadly than on the front.

What he said.

[Edit] If your think the wheelspin is bad, wait until you can't stop. Most of your braking happens via the front wheels.

Nice looking XR.

[foxtrot]

Doh, they aren't firestones they are

Tyre Specifications:

Brand: Silverstone

Model: Evol8

Size: 235/40R18

Load Rating: 91Y

Overall Diameter: 645mm

ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THESE TYRES? THEY ANY GOOD??

[xr8ute]

Looks like they are a Malaysian tyre company, http://www.silverstone.com.my/tyre_ftzEvol8.asp

[Abacus]

Regarding the Silverstone Evol 8, see:http://www.autoworld.com.my/forum/al...stone+EVO+8%3F

Mate, dunno how much you're paying for the 18's, but if money is really an issue I'd honestly suggest you buy a good set of 17s, rather than a dodgy set of 18s.

Acceptable, but not top-line, 235/45x17s will generally cost about a grand (eg Dunlop SP Sport 300A, Bridgestone GIII, Yokohama C-drive). Any of these tyres will be far stickier and safer than the absolute crap you're talking about buying. You might be able to negotiate a tyre/wheel combo for around $1,300 - $1,400.

It's your life, along with whoever else is in the car, and whoever you hit, that we're talking about. If you've got dud rubber at the time you really need good stuff, bling doesn't count for much.

[foxtrot]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/C-FORD-BA-XR8...QQcmdZViewItem

There my wheels... i bought them and will get them soon.

He also has 17inch available I didn't check but i'd say with the same tyres..

I thought that was a good price for the wheel and tyre combo.

The Silverstones can't be that bad?

[nat_daly]

dont worry mate, i was spinning 4th gear in the wet the other day up a hill, and mines stock so yeah i know where your coming from...

[stiddy]

Go for 18's, they fill the guards more and look heaps better, im wishing I went 19's to be honest, the 18's even look small to me..

Tyres for 18's go for Nanking NS2's.. $150 a tyre. Great tyre for the price.. and its the longest lasting tyre ive ever had lol.. lasted just under a year and I havent gone easy on them.

Friend of a friend recommends Marshal's and he can get them very cheap, $110.
GT radials, I personally love these tyres, I think they are one of the best Ive ever driven on but cant always afford to pay near $300 a tyre every 5 months..

[xr8-200]

Maybe you could try lowering the tyre pressures a bit, it might help a little.

[janek]

Originally Posted by foxtrot

Yeah it was really really wet when i bought the car i remember accidently breaking the rear loose at the lights so i started slipping the clutch a hell of a lot in the test drive but none of this sideways crazy stuff like this morning.. it has been a while since a good rain i suppose. Maybe the tires are really dodgy cheap? I'll check the brand out later.

If this was in brissy, id believe you... my auto slips all over the joint with a tad of acceleration... it has been raining really heavily here, and the sludge and crap is all over the roads..

In a manual it would be hardcore

[ratter]

Originally Posted by xr8-200

Maybe you could try lowering the tyre pressures a bit, it might help a little.

raising the tyre pressure for wet roads can actually help to get better traction, by upping the pressure it opens up the tread grooves some more and allows more water to escape from under the tyre, but if it's sh#t rubber, nothing will help

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by ratter

but if it's sh#t rubber, nothing will help

What he said.

Get a nice set of Yokohamas or Dunlops, you can't beat good rubber.

[sickxr]

Originally Posted by janek

If this was in brissy, id believe you... my auto slips all over the joint with a tad of acceleration... it has been raining really heavily here, and the sludge and crap is all over the roads..

In a manual it would be hardcore

Yep it was crazy drivin home this afo with my manual

[HLC]

Originally Posted by Peuty

What he said.

Get a nice set of Yokohamas or Dunlops, you can't beat good rubber.

i had yoko's and they were crap.


can't beat Fulda's for traction IMO.

[GK]

Originally Posted by stiddy

Tyres for 18's go for Nanking NS2's.. $150 a tyre. Great tyre for the price.. and its the longest lasting tyre ive ever had lol.. lasted just under a year and I havent gone easy on them.

Friend of a friend recommends Marshal's and he can get them very cheap, $110.

GT radials, I personally love these tyres, I think they are one of the best Ive ever driven on but cant always afford to pay near $300 a tyre every 5 months..

My brother in law liked Nankangs, some guys here like them too.

Marshal tyres are made in the same factory as the new Bob Jane Xenon Z1's. Marshal is owned by Khumo. The Bob Jane guy told me this week that the Xenon Z1's are about the same as the Maxxis MAV1's I had fitted. They are $150 per tyre retail. The Xenon's are the same.

I have found this week that the Maxxis tyres are fairly quiet, although they are brand new. Again the Bob Jane guy said the Maxxis would be much, much better than SP3000's. They are also about $50 cheaper!

Some food for thought.

GK

[ratter]

I had nankangs on a V6 VS, they were the worst tyres I have ever owned, they had very little wet weather grip and turned square and noisey after a bit of use, the side walls cracked, but they had plenty of tread left on them.

[stiddy]

Actually Ratter.. come to think of it the Nankings dont have much shoulder strength in them.. the edges tend to wear down alot faster than the middle, yes even with the correct tyre pressure and spot on wheel alignment. But havent had too many problems with them in the wet. And I thought they were fairly decent in the dry.. (have nothing on GT Radials though)
Xenon Z1's ive heard are alright.. but having said that every tyre place has their brand they promote.

[Abacus]

Originally Posted by GK

Again the Bob Jane guy said the Maxxis would be much, much better than SP3000's.

You can take whatever a Bob Jane sales rep says with a grain of salt. They just want to move whatever they have most of in stock or whatever they have the highest margin on.

I used to go off my head when BJ boys kept trying to unload Kleber (remember them) onto me.