suicide by car

[blueoval]

This is just sickening.

[Ives]

Originally Posted by DJL351

I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like.
(And with luck you never will)
.

--sigh--.... I'll drive on the middle lane from now on.

[MITCHAY]

Jeez what ever happened to just getting ****ed? Anyways terrible for all concerned.

[sarrge2001]

Originally Posted by DJL351

When you feel like everything you touch turns to poo, that everyone is laughing at you behind your back....
Every little mistake just adds to the last one, until you don't want to be involved with anything or anyone....
Like you have no reason for being in this world and you feel maybe they (family & friends) would be better/happier if you were not around stuffing up all the time.

Everyone feels depressed from time to time, but cronic deep depression is a completely different level.

Couldn't have said it better myself....

Unless you've really been there, you can't understand it......and there is no quick fix........

[OLDFORDNUT]

according to local news he had a fight with his MR's and went haywire and some of his friends tried to stop him to no avail.

[GOLDIE]

Originally Posted by DJL351

Both very closed minded comments.

Having been that close to the edge.....
I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like.
(And with luck you never will)

Chopper says Harden the ***** up!..... well I can tell you now... It's not as easy or simple as that.

I agree have been close myself but i have had the fortune to also save my best friend as well as she was close to the edge last year.

Ian

Do not judge what you do not know.

[XD 351 Ute]

Originally Posted by DJL351

Correct! You see it the way most (well 75%) people see it.

I've been on both sides of the coin.

It is a disease. The same way drinking or drugs can trap people depression can too.

It is not something you can just stop. I have days where I struggle.
Others where I'm fine.

D

I hear you loud and clear mate, and fully agree with your posts in this thread.

Ed

[nos_james]

i hate to hear of things like this happaning but i find that i can understand why some one will kill them selfs as 2 ppl i know have in the last year and a half. both of them there was no warning just one day they were gone i dont think that most people could understand as its a hard thing to comprehend even i have troble with it and i get very depressed for long periods at a time. and i dont think that it can be solved by doctors or by just trying to lighten up alot of people i know suffer from depresion and only make it through with the support of there freinds who also are depresed as it gives them someone to relate with and stops them thinking it is just them alone in the situation, any way thats my rant sorry for going on just this post brings back memorys latters james

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by GOLDIE

Do not judge what you do not know.

that is the smartest thing i have heard on here in a long time.

until you have been into deep depression, you have no idea what its like...
some people say "oh, how can one be so selfish" this, i believe is selfish, when you are very depressed, you dont see it as being selfish, you see it as more of relieving other people of the pain/inconveniences you have brought them,
some are too scared to seek help, others never get through it, and there are a small few that give in to the disease and thats what it is,
nothing but negative thoughts go through your head,

EA2BA: you see solutions not problems, and that is great and i respect that, i wish i was as optimistic as you.

every person has different reasons for being depressed, and no one else can understand these reasons because it is not happening to them, no one has the right to tell someone they are weak or selfish because of the way they choose to deal with it because you are not in the same mindset as you once were..



i am not saying this is the case with everyone, just from what i have experienced...

[ClevlndStemer]

Originally Posted by DJL351

When you feel like everything you touch turns to poo, that everyone is laughing at you behind your back....
Every little mistake just adds to the last one, until you don't want to be involved with anything or anyone....
Like you have no reason for being in this world and you feel maybe they (family & friends) would be better/happier if you were not around stuffing up all the time.

Everyone feels depressed from time to time, but cronic deep depression is a completely different level.

Exactly, i knew someone who committed suicide years ago, shocked us all. What you just described is pretty much what i do/have been through. Its hard to explain to people, as most just have the attitude its all about attention seeking which it isn't. No matter what anyone says it seems always the bad things happen, always wondering when you're going to catch a break.

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Its very sad for the person's involved I sure hope the driver(s) of the cars involved can fully recover from what many see as a selfish act suicide.

But unless you have every suffered depression. Im not talking about feeling blue for a couple days im talking about depression. IMO you cant fully understand and or appreciate that the person that is suffering this disease is not thinking I want to be selfish & want to hurt my family friends loved ones etc, so im going to suicide. They are not thinking IMO. About 18 months ago a work coleauge commited suicide. It hurt so much & many people where affected by it. I didnt know him really really well. But I seen him the day b4 at work he seemed fine. Next day early afternoon the manager comes down to let us all know the sad tragic news. Depression is something I have suffered from time to time & some days are easy than others, at its worst its so very difficult that putting it midly. But there are mechanisms out there to manage it & I encourage anyone to find what works for you. Then keeping working on that. :monkes:

ps. For anyone that's says just get ****ed & enjoy IMO the dont have understanding of depression (which is so vastly diffrent than feeling blue for a couple of days)

[aussiblue]

I also once thought there was no circumstance where I could ever contemplate suicide but an event some 10 years ago changed my view.

I was diagnosed as having a pheochromocytoma and, to counter the risk of having a stroke from the extreme high blood pressure that the additional adrenaline produced by this ailment causes, I was prescribed a medicine that was also a [mild for most] depressant. After just one pill I found myself on a railway bridge contemplating suicide but I fortunately decided to throw the bottle of pills rather than myself onto the tracks. So I learnt the hard way that prescribed medicine can in some circumstances cause overwhelming depression and thoughts of suicide. At the time I had no other reason to feel this way; in fact I should have been on a high as I had just learnt that the spontaneous bruising I had been suffering was not caused by chronic leukaemia as they first diagnosed (which likely would have been terminal) but was a result of the blood vessels bursting due the extreme high blood pressure. I now have more sympathy for suicide victims. If I had jumped it would have been relatively spontaneous as I had not planned it; the depression was just getting heavier as the day went on and I happened to walking across the bridge at the wrong moment (but if I had been on the pavement perhaps I would have jumped in front of a bus or something - who knows). Fortunately logic won over feelings but it was a close thing and I have to wonder what would have happened if i had not also had the good news to celebrate at the time or something had been going wrong with my personal life at the time.

The specialist did agree with hindsight that he should have initially put me in hospital or under similar supervision to ensure that I did not have this relatively uncommon but not exactly rare response. I guess my wife could have sued him if I had jumped. However at the time it was considered a relatively rare ailment and the medication was a bit of an experiment.

I also feel very sorry for the drivers of buses, train and cars who get involved unwillingly in such events and are blameless.

[carnutt]

Nicholas , I'm very sorry to hear about what was in your post . Involving innocent people is just not on.

Originally Posted by DJL351

Having been that close to the edge.....
I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like....(And with luck you never will).

This is very true...
There is a lot more to it than "an easy way out" or " Cowardness" , until 4 years ago I thought this was the case .
I have a very rare disease (only 8 known in Australia) and have had it since my mid teens . It is "Eposodic" and I used to go down with it every 4-7 years (normally 4-6 months at a time).
It involves extremely severe muscle cramping (legs , chest , diaphragm , back , arms , legs , feet & hands), the longest I've had a cramp in my arm was 22 weeks . I had a broken ankle years ago and I classed it as a 5/10 pain rating , but in the last few years the rating of my disease can get to "10+" , and I live on Penadeine Forte , Vallium & Morphine. There is NO cure . (Not "cost effective" to research for so few people)

I was a musician for over 20 years and had to give up 4 years ago as I couldn't play guitar anymore due to cramping in my hands (musicians will understand how devestating this can be)
So far this time it has lasted for 4 years & getting worse . I gave up driving volantarily 16 months ago ( I have an immaculate early 70's Falcon I cannot drive it)
Medication used to keep me going but as I'm getting older the Dr's increased it to the maximum safe dose until it wasn't working anymore .

To shorten the story , 2 months ago , it got to the state of spending 18-20 hours a day on the lounge (mostly sleeping , a side affect of the disease) . Getting to the kitchen or front verandah was a major effort . After 35 years I had , "had enough" . Two of my children (late teens) wouldn't come home days at a time because they couldn't handle the situation .

3 weeks ago I made it to the garage twice over a couple of days , once to get access onto the work bench (took me 2 hours), second time I managed to get a rope over the rafters . (It wasn't a last minute decision) I made a sign "Don't come in ,call the Police" . Due to my vigilant wife , she wised up something wasn't as it should be and walked in and realised what I was doing . After a frantic call to the Dr. it was decided to double my meds to a dangerous level (severe side effects), but it seems to be working , I can now see a "light at the end of the tunnel" & can now walk to the end of the driveway & back & improving .

I'm NOT after sympathy , when I was fit enough , I worked 1-2 jobs plus played in a band 2-3 nights a week & have done more than most people in a lifetime because I knew the time would come to this . IF the Doctors will let me stay on this rate of medication , I should get back on my feet again.
I for one can understand how easy it is to get to this level of depression. so unless you've been there ,you will never understand .
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.Laminge , if you think this is "over the top" please delete .

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by EA2BA

The glass if half empty and no way will it ever fill up so why bother is the closet I can get to a why people can decide to do end it all from depression.


I always see the glass half full and I am thankful for that, more would be nice, but make the most of what you have.

If we're playing with metaphors. Seeing anything as either half full or half empty are parallels of each other. Both can be unhealthy. The pessimistic view will miss opportunities, and generally fail to embrace life. The optimist will get you killed taking risks. To put it in perspective, the pessimist is jumping in front of cars, while the optimist is 'hooning' around. (no reference to this incident intended)

Its both half full and half empty. No point failing to factor either view in.

I agree with you though, i don't understand it. Especially when its domestic related. Id rather raise my kid one Sunday a month than end it, I wouldn't enjoy it, but Id enjoy what time I was getting. And you can always find another relationship.