Percentage of Falcons/Comms (Hoons)

[EA2BA]

The VN goes harder then a Falcon (mainly due to gearing) so I am not surprised and the after market has always seemed to favour commodores, look at the rim choices out there for a start. So if you want a car that goes well (not built well) and is easy to get go fast parts, why not a VN and P-Platers will always hoon a bit, some just do it wrong place wrong time.

[Jeeepers]

Some of these Commy guys just love the V motor. I guess they think a V6 looks similar to a V8, so it's cool. (Not) Inline 6's will give better torque than V6 in most applications. But it's good they don't know this, as it keeps them in Commy's.... :

[Kenaz]

Maybe it's just the area where I live, but I've found that the majority of 'hoons' aren't Commodore driving P platers. Most of the guys I see flogging their cars and trying to race me are driving BA XRs and GTs. Seems that many of them feel they have a point to prove.

[superpursuit83]

I say wait 10years until XR-T's are as cheap as a VL. Then watch the figures reverse.

[dannyxm]

Originally Posted by Wally

How amusing. Twenty somethings posting how mature and sophisicated they are buying a Falcon, LOL. Do you have the bowls hat visible through the back window too?

Hardly. I just got better things to do then race some ****er in another car who eggs me on at the lights, no matter what car it is.
That and i like having a drivers license and not having my cars taken of me.

[Brent]

From general observation in my area at least, it seems that the Red Lion attracts more than a good representation of nimrods, but then again, at the risk of copping a flame, I also believe it says something else about Ford............

.......the fact that Ford dropped the ball so badly in the performance car stakes years ago that it ceased to be the 'aspirational' car of almost a whole generation of people. Think about it. Wind the clock back to the 1990s. Sure, now we have the Typhoon and the XR6 Turbo and for a fleeting few moments we had the AU T3 series etc, but for a long, long time Ford struggled to match Holden's offerings let alone HSV which basically had the market to itself for many years. Ford were in the performance car doldrums.

So, when dad with his HSV has a litter of baseball cap-wearing sons all keen to grow mullet hairdos to complement their Jim Beam t-shirts and show-off to their mates, they've probably already got a Holden culture drilled into them, so they just scrape together the coin that they've earned/stolen/obtained by deception and go and buy a VP SS 5 litre and go nuts.

Granted, Ford have done a great deal to repair the damage in the last few years, but it takes a while for attitudes to change. End result? Well, I suppose an advantage is that there's less of the hoon element in Fords, but it does say a little about the history of the brand.

PS. I've always had Falcons all my life and still do, so I'm not an anti Ford imposter. Just my cut on it, that's all.

[superpursuit83]

Originally Posted by danny888

Hardly. I just got better things to do then race some ****er in another car who eggs me on at the lights, no matter what car it is.
That and i like having a drivers license and not having my cars taken of me.

When they egg me on at the lights, I roll the window down and shout "OK! see ya Wednesday night 7pm" none have yet

[ef_classic]

Originally Posted by MattyJ

I got my P's a week or so ago and i actually stand out ALOT driving a falcon among my mates... Older commodores just seem to be the set standard among people interested in cars my age.

Yeah i agree.

I also agree with an earlier post that suggests many 18 year old males go for the VN because it is a V6, meaning the "V" must be something special.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Reported on the news tonight that 53% of cars 'canaried' since the hoon blitz in Vic were Commodores. 16% were Falcons followed by imports. Is this a fair indication on how many Commodores are out there compared to Falcons or is it that they just get caught doing stupid things? Are stats showing that Falcon drivers are less prone to 'Hoon"?

Would like to know how accurate these figures are and where they come from as I caught it at the end of the story.

Well if you look at the actual releases you will note that it is probably not 53% Commodores at all. It was 50% Holden and based on the previous release that is a 1% drop and translates into 37% Commodores: that could suggest that Falcon owners are just as susceptable, considering Falcon unit sales are about 40% of Commodore = 14.8%.

October 2006

January 2007

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by ef_classic

Yeah i agree.

I also agree with an earlier post that suggests many 18 year old males go for the VN because it is a V6, meaning the "V" must be something special.

Yeah because they think their V6 is a V8, because it happens to be in the same configuration. Not to mention they sound like crap. _

GUESS WHAT MORON? YOUR BLOODY V6 ISN'T A V8. IT'S A RATTLE BOX POS.!!!!

I6 FTW.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Wally

Well if you look at the actual releases you will note that it is probably not 53% Commodores at all. It was 50% Holden and based on the previous release that is a 1% drop and translates into 37% Commodores: that could suggest that Falcon owners are just as susceptable, considering Falcon unit sales are about 40% of Commodore = 14.8%.

October 2006

January 2007

OK, links bring up the same page.
You mean to tell me that hoons are getting little astra's and hotting them up?
Sorry, but hoon is generally reserved for those who are a little younger and know no infallability. Commodores are the weapon of choice in this age group purely for the fact that they are cheap to buy, and cheap to modify.

[havoc19]

Yeh id say in adelaide i see alot more ****faces in holdens then fords i even see 30 year olds speeding around and draggin in holdens BUT that being said im also beginging to see a change alot more fords being dragged around and speeding with p plater idiots in them not as much as holden but there numbers are increasing probably becoz of sites like this that show them what a ford is capable of OH THE IRONY.

[GXL078]

There are plenty of Falcon taxi cabs out there that need to be defected off the road.

[MITCHAY]

I'm starting to notice a lot of BA and VZ hoons out there now. Have a lot of ****wits try and give me some. Oh well they still lose :

I naturally don't need too much encouragement :

[Wally]

Originally Posted by ltd

OK, links bring up the same page.
You mean to tell me that hoons are getting little astra's and hotting them up?
Sorry, but hoon is generally reserved for those who are a little younger and know no infallability. Commodores are the weapon of choice in this age group purely for the fact that they are cheap to buy, and cheap to modify.

Here is the October 2006 link

I'm not trying to tell you anything. I am merely providing some fact to an otherwise opinion based thread. If you have data showing the demographic profile of commodore owners I'd be very interested.

I would also be interested how some forum members have been able to read the minds of the V6 owners associating V8's with their purchase. I was unaware, post VL, there was a choice of an inline six in the commodore range.

[Hitman]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I'm starting to notice a lot of BA and VZ hoons out there now. Have a lot of ****wits try and give me some. Oh well they still lose :

I naturally don't need too much encouragement :

Sounds like you should be driving a VN commodore yourself.

[HOON69]

can i just say
FULLI SIK ULLEH

you cant half tell that melbourne is commodore central aka wog central
its either a VN/VP/VL/SS,WALKY, and if you watch hoon stories from melbourne you'd see granny spec VN's and turbo'd vl's are the main culprits..

remember the video in VIC where the holden and ford were doing skids and they hit head on :

classic but yeah most hoon cars are your typical bogan mobiles but ricers do match the stats here in qld ;)

[EA Ghia]

As many people have said before, there's just as many hoons that drive fords as there are holdens, it's just that holdens make themselves more known. Didnt the VL's-VS' outsell the EA-EL's? As cheap cars that can be found anywhere, the average teenager will tend to buy the cheaper, more popular car. Whether they're a better car, can be debated, but as a P Plater E-Series driver, I can say that I've seen just as many idiots hooning around in their EB as I have in a VN.

From what I've noticed too (from my EA anyway), E-Series are absolute slugs from the line, unless they're worked. Half of them would be even lucky to do a burnout, let alone a giant line locker through an intersection. Now, would a hoony teenager rather the 'torquier' V6 engine of a commodore, or the straight 6 of the e-series? I'd think most of them would choose the commodore.

I know that most of the above could be argued, but it's a common (not shared) view that a stock commodore will beat a stock falcon of the same era.

[Allen]

At the end of the day, the car that is being driven is totally irrelivant, it all comes down to the drivers maturity.

And I doubt that this just aimed at p-platers, I see just as many mature ages drivers doing stupid things.

Anyone, regardless of their age, position, vehicle type & mentality is capable of hooning... The difference is that some people cannot fight their impulses/peer pressure.

I see women in the late 30's, with a Tarago full of kids, speeding and weaving through traffic...

[Ringo]

VN's feel more powerful because of their touchy throttle.

If you really investigate it a bit further you can see why. At half throttle on the pedal the butterfly is 3/4 open. The last half of the pedal travel only give you a little more butterfly.

Most cars are actaully like this because the arc b/w the fixed point of the accelerator cable and the moving butterfly mounting point. With the VN it is just so much more noticable....how easy to they chirp off the line and break traction even when you don't mean to?

I don't have stats or angles or a reference for this but if you checked it out you can see.

The only way around this is to have electronic throttle or a system of levers to equal out the pedal position and butterfly angles. BMW used to use this lever system on there DOHC six cylinders.

I totally agree that XR6T's are going to be the VL Turbo / WRX of the next decade except faster (and more reliable)...wait for owner to get their next insurance renewal

Or it could just be that the number of Commodore drivers that are tools is greater than the number of Falcon drivers that are tools.....It really could be that simple and we ccould close this thread here.

[bf tubs]

i remember a few years ago that goofy looking guys were getting laid by good looking girls just cause they drove holdens .my bro even got some when he had a vs ute by some chick he never met and his just had rims .

now if this is /was the case and girls think holdens are so hot then it makes sense to me that a horny 18 year old with a car will do a lot of stupid things to make him stand out from the rest of the vn-vs crowd and get one up on his holden buddies ,kinda like a chest beating display maybe ?? then get caught and we know the rest

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by ute302

i remember a few years ago that goofy looking guys were getting laid by good looking girls just cause they drove holdens .my bro even got some when he had a vs ute by some chick he never met and his just had rims .

now if this is /was the case and girls think holdens are so hot then it makes sense to me that a horny 18 year old with a car will do a lot of stupid things to make him stand out from the rest of the vn-vs crowd and get one up on his holden buddies ,kinda like a chest beating display maybe ?? then get caught and we know the rest

I don't think most chicks actually give a crap about what car you drive model wise. As long as they think it looks "pretty" they like it.

I've met plenty of good looking chicks and I didn't have to drive like a tool to get their attention either.

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by fairlane_ghia

I see women in the late 30's, with a Tarago full of kids, speeding and weaving through traffic...

Totally agree with you. Speeding soccer mums are the number 2 public enemy after VN/VS hoons. :

[chevypower]

oh my gosh, it has happened. The Australian car enthusiast actually drives slower than the general public now and condones driving slowly! Well done Mr. Bracks!

[uranium_death]

Why are there more Commodore hoons than Falcon?

Because people who buy a Falcon love the car. The Falcon has been the main carrier of Australian car manufacturing for the last 25 years.

People who buy Commodores do not buy a Commodore primarily for the car. They buy it because they want the image of being a "cool man".

Australia as I said has a Holden following...largely due to the fact that they've won Bathurst and the Touring Cars so many times. Australia is a bandwagon following.

I know that many people who say, "I prefer Holden. They are more Australian."
They then sound bloody shocked when I say, "Actually, the Commodore contains less Australian-made parts then the Ford Falcon, and is based on Opel designs from Europe. The Falcon has been Australian designed and built since 1972."

Ford should nail the point home that the Falcon IS the TRUE Aussie car, and Aussies drive responsibly.

[ef_classic]

Originally Posted by HOON69

remember the video in VIC where the holden and ford were doing skids and they hit head on :

Was that the one with the White EF Fairmont?

If so, they where both Falcons, the other was an AU.

[Ford_Boy]

everyone probably hoons to an extent. wheather you take off really fast or do a burnout. wheather you speed over the limit by 5km or by 50km. it all could be classified as hooning. i have a large group of friends and the ones that prefer holden are actually the ones that don't follow racing. they buy into the bathurst hype and they bragged about winning the championship this year. they didnt even watch the round with lowndes and kelly.
when my mate said holden won the comp this year. i told him "no" technically they didnt because ford won the manufacturers award because they won more rounds. thats the 3rd year in a row i think? anyway. more p plater hoons are driving commos because the era they grew up, holden was dominating and i also think girls like the como because they think its more aussie.

[bf tubs]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I don't think most chicks actually give a crap about what car you drive model wise. As long as they think it looks "pretty" they like it.

I've met plenty of good looking chicks and I didn't have to drive like a tool to get their attention either.

i dont disagree with u on that my xr has got me in the pants of many dumb chicks chasing something shiny but ,,, i do remember the majority of girls claiming things like ...i only do blokes with a holden ect

maybe not be a major point but i think it personifies a certain type of driver /owner mentality that goes with these hoons and their need to fit in at any cost ...who knows?

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

Why are there more Commodore hoons than Falcon?

Because people who buy a Falcon love the car. The Falcon has been the main carrier of Australian car manufacturing for the last 25 years.

People who buy Commodores do not buy a Commodore primarily for the car. They buy it because they want the image of being a "cool man".

Australia as I said has a Holden following...largely due to the fact that they've won Bathurst and the Touring Cars so many times. Australia is a bandwagon following.

I know that many people who say, "I prefer Holden. They are more Australian."
They then sound bloody shocked when I say, "Actually, the Commodore contains less Australian-made parts then the Ford Falcon, and is based on Opel designs from Europe. The Falcon has been Australian designed and built since 1972."

Ford should nail the point home that the Falcon IS the TRUE Aussie car, and Aussies drive responsibly.

Are you serious? You don't actually believe any of that do you? Yes everyone who owns a Commo owns it to be cool. I forgot how cool Vacationers were.

And why does everyone harp on about the Falcon being totally Australian since 1972? Most of it was carried over from the XY and the engines weren't Australian (oh la di da, we made a crank, rods and pistons ourself, then butchered some heads together). At least Holden can lay claim to having a completely Aussie engine.

[uranium_death]

Not every Commodore owner buys it to be cool.

But I am saying that Holden has a winning image...racing and advertising. Young shits love to look like winners. It's an indication of mentality...not the car itself.

And that's why I say, "There's nothing quite like a Falcon."