Baited - Page 2

mattp · 01-03-2007, 10:00 PM

I vaguely recall there was a commotion in Melbourne a little while back tht involved cops baiting people at traffic lights to take off in a hurry, down in St Kilda. IIRC it ended up with the drivers who got fined getting the fine revoked and the coppers got a slap on the wrist.

Aeron · 01-03-2007, 10:03 PM

That sux! The cops drive so many different cars these days too.

BA_BOSS · 01-03-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

not really. entrapment is where they dont give you a choice but to break the law.

if they encourage you to do it by revving their cars and you take it, not entrapment. However if they were to give you no option but to break the law then that is entrapment. eg, (stupid example) they pull you over for speeding, and said something like we will give ya a warning if you smoke em up. thats entrapment because you are given no option.

Still not entrapment as you have a choice, cop it sweet or possibly cop it for smoking em' up.

A better example might be that they force you to pull over in a signed No Standing Zone and then proceed to book you for Standing in a No Standing Zone. You didn't have any choice.

Slightly off topic but I know someone who failed their driving test because they were instructed to do this by the RTA examiner and did so. Examiner's words were "shouldn't have stopped there".

: Part of the test....

satria · 02-03-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Baited or not the intent is to catch you doing the wrong thing. If you are willing to race than that is all they need.

No use arguing that you wouldn't have done it if you had of known because no one would be stupid to race if they knew it was a cop driving the other car. That is the whole point

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This is the exact attitude i hate. The whole "if you broke the law you cop the fine etc..." BS!

what about my story... The black ss ute had its spotties on, i know for SURE that is illegal, yet they get away with it? However we can't use it because of "safety reasons" If it was me coming on here whinging how i got caught driving with my spotties you'd say "cop the fine and get over it". Double standards shouldn't exist mate!

To me, legally 'baiting' a car should be pulling along side me and just cruising there making you tempted to run. If they start driving erratically around you, revving their engine, having a car worthy of copping a fine that should be a no no. It should be yourself that initiates a drag, not them. But hey why am i wasting my breath, at the end of the day it's all for paying for their doughnuts.

[Tonko] · 02-03-2007, 12:39 AM

FLAME SUIT ON:
I think its a good way to seperate the idiots from the real enthusiasts, because if you're dumb enough to race a copper you deserve to get done, keep the racing on the track people!

satria · 02-03-2007, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

FLAME SUIT ON:
I think its a good way to seperate the idiots from the real enthusiasts, because if you're dumb enough to race a copper you deserve to get done, keep the racing on the track people!

I totally agree TonkoXR8, but half the time you just want to get away from them because as TonyXA mentioned they are putting you and your pride and joy in danger. How do you get away from these idiots? half the time you have to break the law, especially if there is no turn-offs like in my case. This is where it gets frustrating.

normxb · 02-03-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

FLAME SUIT ON:
I think its a good way to separate the idiots from the real enthusiasts, because if you're dumb enough to race a copper you deserve to get done, keep the racing on the track people!

Take the Flame Suit Off , TonkoXR8 , or a few of us will have to put one on . Doesn't matter WHO tries to bait you , it's your foot on the "agitator" and if you get sucked in , you can't blame the guy next to you .

atec77 · 02-03-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by normxb

Take the Flame Suit Off , TonkoXR8 , or a few of us will have to put one on . Doesn't matter WHO tries to bait you , it's your foot on the "agitator" and if you get sucked in , you can't blame the guy next to you .

The "baiting is "Incitment to knowingly commit an illegal act" doing so is often outside the confines of the normal powers of the position .( the baiting)

atec77 · 02-03-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 20focus05

be nice to jump out of the car with a video camera, that would makem sh!t.
be even nicer to have video cameras front n rear recording all the time, wow the things you would see

Couple of months ago we had just finished jamming a VK45DE into a teeny tiny Austin A40 ( at 3 am) and went for a burst up the local motorway , passed a commie at heavy revs in 6th only to realise it was a rozza , no matter -- no plates

I luv Qld

Ghiadude · 02-03-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by atec77

Couple of months ago we had just finished jamming a VK45DE into a teeny tiny Austin A40 ( at 3 am) and went for a burst up the local motorway , passed a commie at heavy revs in 6th only to realise it was a rozza , no matter -- no plates

I luv Qld

Big motor+teeny car = fun ??

Nappa · 02-03-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AC/DC

$1.20 ? ? ? ?

why not just type 120kph. ?

AC/DC

AC/DC????
Why not type Alternate Current/Direct Current :hihi:

XR06T · 02-03-2007, 12:58 PM

doesn't seem right to me.. i rekon you could get a ticket for baiting a car and it turned out to be cops.

Redrum · 02-03-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mattp

I vaguely recall there was a commotion in Melbourne a little while back tht involved cops baiting people at traffic lights to take off in a hurry, down in St Kilda. IIRC it ended up with the drivers who got fined getting the fine revoked and the coppers got a slap on the wrist.

Sounds like a load of rubbish to me! ESD have better things to do than sit of members in this way.

jaydee · 02-03-2007, 03:32 PM

[QUOTE=I_Con]Yeah but they are making you do something you would not have normally done if it wasn't for their interaction.

They're not making you do anything, if you fall for them trying to race you then you'll probably do it with every other fool street racer that "baits" you anyway ,so this time you get caught.

I don't believe WA cops have utes for this sort of **** anyway, where would they put you if they locked you up, in the rear with a tarp over you? I think you got suckered twice here.

satria · 02-03-2007, 04:06 PM

[QUOTE=jaydee]

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Originally Posted by I_Con

Yeah but they are making you do something you would not have normally done if it wasn't for their interaction.

They're not making you do anything, if you fall for them trying to race you then you'll probably do it with every other fool street racer that "baits" you anyway ,so this time you get caught.

I don't believe WA cops have utes for this sort of **** anyway, where would they put you if they locked you up, in the rear with a tarp over you? I think you got suckered twice here.

please explain?

are you saying i dreampt this imaginary black ss ute with police lights on the dashboard and some old men in blue uniform that had badges? And pulled me over?

I saw them the next night aswell on main st. in osborne park, thank god i left my escort home that night and was riding in the back seat of my mates clubby. They were parked on the side of the road and had the typical police red interior light on. Maybe i dreampt that too.

Same two cops in the car too, could pick their faces from a mile away.

5tumpy · 02-03-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by satria

This is the exact attitude i hate. The whole "if you broke the law you cop the fine etc..." BS!

what about my story... The black ss ute had its spotties on, i know for SURE that is illegal, yet they get away with it? However we can't use it because of "safety reasons" If it was me coming on here whinging how i got caught driving with my spotties you'd say "cop the fine and get over it". Double standards shouldn't exist mate!

Actually, I think you'll find that the laws regarding spotties, are the same as the laws for other High-Beam lights. If there is a car in front of you, you can't have them on, however, if there isn't one, or you are overtaking (which the copper probably was) you can have high beams on.

Also, a 70 zone means that was some sort of civilisation around, and you were stupid enough to be doing double the speed limit in any circumstances, let alone racing another car, then you should have been locked up just for sheer stupidity....

Lastly, there is no such thing as entrapment in Australia, it's an American thing, as is having the right to seek legal advice and one telephone call when you are arrested. Most coppers will allow you to call someone, and seek legal advice, but they don't HAVE to....

I FluXx I · 02-03-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by satria

please explain?

are you saying i dreampt this imaginary black ss ute with police lights on the dashboard and some old men in blue uniform that had badges? And pulled me over?

I saw them the next night aswell on main st. in osborne park, thank god i left my escort home that night and was riding in the back seat of my mates clubby. They were parked on the side of the road and had the typical police red interior light on. Maybe i dreampt that too.

Same two cops in the car too, could pick their faces from a mile away.

sure you where in WA? You wernt on drugs and thought you where in WA? I never seen cops with a ute. And cops havnt had V8's over here for almost 10 years.

**GasoLane** · 02-03-2007, 04:52 PM

[QUOTE=jaydee]

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Originally Posted by I_Con

I don't believe WA cops have utes for this sort of **** anyway, where would they put you if they locked you up, in the rear with a tarp over you? I think you got suckered twice here.

They dont have to put you anywhere. They just call for a caged vehicle.

As for mcnews first post. Take his rego and report a dangerous driver.
Anything you report has to be logged and followed up regardless of who owns/ drives the car.

I think you'll find that there's no such thing as 'Entrapment' in Oz.

jaydee · 02-03-2007, 05:23 PM

Well i figured if they're sneaky enough to be in a black SS ute, Y would they be in uniform, but if thats what Ur saying then OK it must have been.

3vXT · 02-03-2007, 05:31 PM

i wont mention any names because i haven't been keeping track of who said what but my BS meter was working fine untill i started reading this thread. now i think its overloaded or something.

very entertaining though.

I FluXx I · 02-03-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

i wont mention any names because i haven't been keeping track of who said what but my BS meter was working fine untill i started reading this thread. now i think its overloaded or something.

very entertaining though.

at least you mite be able to fix yours. Mine blew up.

punktured · 02-03-2007, 05:45 PM

my brothers mate gone done by that. he has a ss ute and a rexxy was next to him and for about 5km he was just egging him and pushing him to go (revving it, tail gating etc) so he got sick of it and had a go. took it to court but couldnt do anything about it. stupid law but not much you can do about it unfortunetly

Laminge · 02-03-2007, 05:47 PM

Can people take the time to leave the SMS style posting to their phone and off the forums.

**Fordman1** · 02-03-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

Can people take the time to leave the SMS style posting to their phone and off the forums.

Ditto it makes me crazy.

Good discussion, good spelling, good grammer, makes for a good forum !!

Am I a nerd or what ?

samftr · 02-03-2007, 06:13 PM

Gold coast police have falcon and commodore utes for this purpose. My girlfriends dad got baited by an SS ute or something along those lights in his AU forte.. I mean why bother? LARF....
I have been overtaken by police a few times here in Brisbane, just in more of a hurry than me I suppose, but if it means they catch some bogan being a bogan then by all means.

Van D · 02-03-2007, 06:47 PM

Whether the driver decided to have a go or not, when i really think about it.. It makes me sad to think that the cops have nothing better to do than bait drivers into speeding to raise some revenue.

I mean, really, there's people being trapt in there own houses because of scummy kids threatening to beat them up, and the cops will take 20 mins +, yet they're glad to go out and try bait a driver for no reason..

samftr · 02-03-2007, 07:13 PM

well this is another said problem too.
although there is usually different departments within the police, traffic branch, crime prevention, etc

muzz · 02-03-2007, 08:13 PM

Interesting debate.
I have no problem with police trying to catch crooks and bad drivers but this technique really is suspect.
Firstly police driving like hoons to bait someone just sets a bad example and makes the public hate them even more. How about instead having more police to catch people in the act rather than trying to cajole them into driving dangerously? A better police presence is more helpful IMHO.
Entrapping someone to steal or sell drugs is one thing because it would rarely end in someone getting hurt. But trying to cause street drags and then chasing down offenders has the potential the contribute to the road toll and involve innocent parties. There is enough of a problem when people are harmed in car chases - innocent road users, bystanders and even the families and friends of offenders that are involved. Why risk more?
Sorry to rant but this is a stupid macho way of addressing the problem.

[Tonko] · 03-03-2007, 12:46 AM

The baiting that annoys me is when they tailgate you to get you to speed, it happens a fair bit on deserted/quiet highways, then speed off when you dont meet their challenge.
Just dont brake test the Epping HP like i did...hehe...

Gaz · 03-03-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BA_BOSS

Still not entrapment as you have a choice, cop it sweet or possibly cop it for smoking em' up.

A better example might be that they force you to pull over in a signed No Standing Zone and then proceed to book you for Standing in a No Standing Zone. You didn't have any choice.

Slightly off topic but I know someone who failed their driving test because they were instructed to do this by the RTA examiner and did so. Examiner's words were "shouldn't have stopped there".

: Part of the test....

ah thankyou much better example

couldnt think of a good example when i wrote that

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