Covid 19 -

[russellw]

The graphs for today are ones we haven't looked at for awhile, the case and mortality rates per 100k adults for selected countries:





... and the CMR by continent where our region (Oceania) has fallen below Asia and Africa and is only just below the global average -



... and the CMR for selected countries which also shows Australia slightly above the global average -



... and the test percentages (based on adult population) for selected countries -



.. and the tests per identified case where Australia is still way out in front of most countries which suggests that we are possibly close to knowing what the real infection rate is -

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by leesa

Why do you think the laws came about? Everything is an opinion until it's been legislated and it has to be done that way because there are plenty of people in the community who feel other peoples' health isn't their responsibility. So then they get told it's the law as they'd otherwise have complete disregard for others. If we're unable to get a working vaccine and it sticks around for years I'd be willing to be everything I have (which isn't much to be honest) that legislation is introduced around it, including negligence for people that knowingly expose others.

If you see a difference between your legal obligations to not harm someone else's health versus your moral obligation to not harm them.. that may not yet be illegal.. IE: opinion.. then I think you're just proving what I'm saying to be honest.

You can't just run around out in the open as much as you like potentially infecting other people and expecting everyone else to just avoid you if they don't want to get sick. We know the virus is airborne, we know it hangs around on surfaces long enough to potentially catch it that way.

What you're basically saying is that you should be able to walk around as much as you like with a loaded gun. That's how I interpret what you're saying. If I'm wrong feel free to clarify.

If you are running with legislation, What about Andrews and his own Industrial Manslaughter laws........Cheif Officers and Senior Managers being accountable for deaths? Would love to see how a Director or a CEO would go in one of those cases if every answer they gave was “I don’t know who made any decisions”

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by russellw

Because these are global data sets and the rest of the world doesn't run to our time.

As noted earlier, if I compile them before about 11:00 our time, a lot of the South American data isn't in so while the individual country data is based on the previous day (using GMT), the continent data is based on the last complete day which will be, for example, the 24th September today.

This is further complicated by the fact that whereas most countries are reporting from 00:00-23:59 as their day, we've chosen to make the Australian reporting period inconsistent with some States ending their day at 20:00 or 21:00 while others, like Victoria close each 24 hour period at 10:00.

Russell, would it be possible for your daily update to be about midday and split Australia/Rest of the world? The VIC daily update data is released closer to 11:00am. And when they are, the numbers don't match with your daily update.

**Plus, since the borders are closed and we can't travel overseas, who cares about the rest of the world anyway??
**Note: Comment made in 'Romulus' mode. ()

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by tweeked

If you are running with legislation, What about Andrews and his own Industrial Manslaughter laws........Cheif Officers and Senior Managers being accountable for deaths? Would love to see how a Director or a CEO would go in one of those cases if every answer they gave was “I don’t know who made any decisions”

Jenny Mikakos, Victorian health minister thrown under the bus!

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...25-p55zeo.html

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Jenny Mikakos, Victorian health minister thrown under the bus!

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...25-p55zeo.html

She threw herself under the bus. Earlier this week, the HWU called for her resignation because of "breathtaking incompetence" and said Mikakos lacked "even a basic understanding of her portfolio" in light of her evidence during the hotel quarantine inquiry.

Not the first time she has lied, and been involved in corruption. Three times over her time in Parliament Mikakos had been involved in misuse of taxpayer funds. Three times! Think she would've learned after the first time. She botched her Minister for Youth Affairs role by forcing underage inmates into an adult prison. Which ended up at the Supreme Court of Victoria. She was also suspended from Parliament a couple of years ago.

As the VIC Health Minister, Mikakos was in charge of Victoria's health and the hotel quarantine. She failed miserably. She attempted to distance herself from decisions, specially regarding using private security for hotel quarantine, and had developed sudden amnesia it seems when she was questioned by Daniel Andrews. Who then stripped her of responsibility for hotel quarantine last month, and called for an inquiry. Her statements and evidence during the enquiry was truly laughable.

[Tassie f100]

So Jenny Mikakos has resigned her portfolio,but I bet she hangs in there as long as she can on her $200k+ unearned salary as as an ordinary polly

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

So Jenny Mikakos has resigned her portfolio,but I bet she hangs in there as long as she can on her $200k+ unearned salary as as an ordinary polly

She has also resigned from Parliament.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

She has also resigned from Parliament.

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But when will she resign from parliament,doesn’t say immediately!!

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

She has also resigned from Parliament.

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It is a shame other ministers and senior public officials along with the Premier has not resigned.
I sincerely hope more will follow soon.

[cheap]

+700 people dead.

Manslaughter charges likely.

Department heads run things.

Politicians love publicity, often forget what they say but it’s all on video tape.

Sit back and watch them eat their own.

Jenny the first domino to fall.

[Romulus]

The Victorian government saying it doesn't know who was responsible is deceptive. Of course they know.
Someone awarded the contract for payment to the security company.
That requires a signature or authorisation.
That signator has a department head or manager.
Simply follow the chain of command or hierarchy.

We're not all a bunch of fools.

[78xcgxl]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

It is a shame other ministers and senior public officials along with the Premier has not resigned.
I sincerely hope more will follow soon.

That is a silly view. What good is that going achieve. We need a stable government to get us out on the other side. Not a government ripped to shreds to please the Murdoch press and Liberal fan boys. Lets not forget Victoria prior to the pandemic had the nations leading economy.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

That is a silly view. What good is that going achieve. We need a stable government to get us out on the other side. Not a government ripped to shreds to please the Murdoch press and Liberal fan boys. Lets not forget Victoria prior to the pandemic had the nations leading economy.

This just shows how incompetent the red raggers are when a bit of pressure is applied.While everything was rolling along just fine with the commo party riding on the libs prior achievments.But when a bit of leadership is needed the whole thing falls into a disastrous hole.Just imagine where the country would be if the labor party was trying to get the nation back on track.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

That is a silly view. What good is that going achieve. We need a stable government to get us out on the other side. Not a government ripped to shreds to please the Murdoch press and Liberal fan boys. Lets not forget Victoria prior to the pandemic had the nations leading economy.

What let a dysfunctional team keep on destroying peoples lives with their mismanagement, you can be Dans fan boy but I'm certainly not.
I just hope some other ministers in his government has got the guts to stand up and get rid of the loon.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Russell, would it be possible for your daily update to be about midday and split Australia/Rest of the world? The VIC daily update data is released closer to 11:00am. And when they are, the numbers don't match with your daily update.

**Plus, since the borders are closed and we can't travel overseas, who cares about the rest of the world anyway??
**Note: Comment made in 'Romulus' mode. ()

Ungrateful much?...
Idea... How about YOU doing the daily figures??
And... There ARE people that view this forum that live in other parts of the world!

[78xcgxl]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

This just shows how incompetent the red raggers are when a bit of pressure is applied.While everything was rolling along just fine with the commo party riding on the libs prior achievments.But when a bit of leadership is needed the whole thing falls into a disastrous hole.Just imagine where the country would be if the labor party was trying to get the nation back on track.

I love it when people compare the labor party to communism. What a joke and poor argument, do you even know what communism is bud? The point i was merely trying to make is that a state divided, is a state defeated. It is a health pandemic, not an opportunity for scoring political points. Pretty sad really, that people feel the need to politicise a world wide pandemic. It just goes to show how low people are willing to go. Calling for heads, and minsters to resign is just going to create unnecessary chaos in an already delicate situation, let the pandemic end before starting a political war that ends in nothing but boarder public losing and virus winning. The government and Victorian community needs to focus together on fighting the pandemic not the political crap. There is a place and time for that. What is done in the past is done, nothing can change that but what happens in the future we can. It is all about the bigger picture, some people need to open their eyes.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Ungrateful much?...
Idea... How about YOU doing the daily figures??
And... There ARE people that view this forum that live in other parts of the world!

WHAT??? Ungrateful? For from it matey.

If you have been reading the thread you would have seen me occasionally posting the VIC daily numbers within an hour or so of Russell's daily update. The VIC update data is usually released about an hour after Russell does his daily update about 10:00am. Since VIC's position is the main focus point in Australia, I was merely making a suggestion so the Australian numbers would be accurate at the time of Russell doing his daily update.

If Russell is unable to, that's is perfectly fine. It's not a big drama. But maybe drama is something you seem to thrive on eh??

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

I love it when people compare the labor party to communism. What a joke and poor argument, do you even know what communism is bud? The point i was merely trying to make is that a state divided, is a state defeated. It is a health pandemic, not an opportunity for scoring political points. Pretty sad really, that people feel the need to politicise a world wide pandemic. It just goes to show how low people are willing to go. Calling for heads, and minsters to resign is just going to create unnecessary chaos in an already delicate situation, let the pandemic end before starting a political war that ends in nothing but boarder public losing and virus winning. The government and Victorian community needs to focus together on fighting the pandemic not the political crap. There is a place and time for that. What is done in the past is done, nothing can change that but what happens in the future we can. It is all about the bigger picture, some people need to open their eyes.

Well would it have been too hard for Dan and his fellow sheep to admit that they made a total,balls up of the hotel security personnel,considering that the P.M offered the ADF but the worn out union rep party reckoned they knew best

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

WHAT??? Ungrateful? For from it matey.

If you have been reading the thread you would have seen me occasionally posting the VIC daily numbers within an hour or so of Russell's daily update. The VIC update data is usually released about an hour after Russell does his daily update about 10:00am. Since VIC's position is the main focus point in Australia, I was merely making a suggestion so the Australian numbers would be accurate at the time of Russell doing his daily update.

If Russell is unable to, that's is perfectly fine. It's not a big drama. But maybe drama is something you seem to thrive on eh??

Naah, Charliewool is chilled as. The most drama he gets in his life is if the bridge to the local town is still working so he can stock up on beer.
Russ fits his updates into his day, and he has busy days. I'm happy that he puts up this info to keep this thread a little sane.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

Naah, Charliewool is chilled as. The most drama he gets in his life is if the bridge to the local town is still working so he can stock up on beer.
Russ fits his updates into his day, and he has busy days. I'm happy that he puts up this info to keep this thread a little sane.

We'll send this over for Charlie then...

https://www.pickles.com.au/trucks/it...idge/902306591



Yeah, yeah, I know, way off topic.

[falcon_bandit]

Wow I don't know why I bother checking up on this thread. Some of you need to get a life start a hobby or do something with yourselves. All over a virus that affects +99% people no worse than a flu, just like my extended family overseas.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

Wow I don't know why I bother checking up on this thread. Some of you need to get a life start a hobby or do something with yourselves. All over a virus that affects +99% people no worse than a flu, just like my extended family overseas.

Then spare us from your supercilious attitude and don't bother.

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Russell, would it be possible for your daily update to be about midday and split Australia/Rest of the world? The VIC daily update data is released closer to 11:00am. And when they are, the numbers don't match with your daily update.

In short, no. You (and the rest of the country) have ready access to the AU data and the figures for VIC 14 day averages are correct for the day posted. You may not care about the rest of the World but it helps keep perspective.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:45 GMT September 26th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.
16 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR rises to 3.220% while active cases drop to 1,575. NSW recorded 1 case, Queensland recorded 3, WA recorded one case and the balance were in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 25.71 with metro at 22.1 (31 unknown) and regional at 0.6 and no unknown cases. The 106 cases for Victoria is 58% lower than the previous week and the 26 deaths is the lowest since late July. Victoria reported 16 new cases for the last 24 hours.

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.365% and active cases rise to 61.

The UK had 6,041 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore those figures.

Just under 59k new cases in the USA yesterday and 920 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.877% and active cases drop to 35.3% with the raw numbers rising slightly. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global new cases pass 33M with the last 1M coming up in 3 days and the (sad) milestone of 1M deaths will likely be passed in the coming 24 hours;
Global cases reached a new high of 317,951 on the 25th;
Europe recorded a new daily case high of 60,449;
The USA completes 103M, India 70M and Canada 7M tests;

Moldova (868), Lebanon (1,280), Poland (1,587) and the Ukraine (3,833)all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

https://honey.nine.com.au/latest/cor...6-c9bfacad2012

Marathon runner unable to breathe properly months after COVID-19: 'Like being on your deathbed'

Just as Fox's health began to show positive signs, her post-viral syndrome began to target her heart.

Seven weeks after the original infection, the fit and healthy 36-year-old felt like she was about to have a heart attack.

"My fingers all swelled up, my heart rate went to over 120 bpm," Fox shares.

"And my heart rate stayed like that for five-and-a-half months after that initial infection."

Two weeks ago, Fox began urinating blood. Among her ongoing symptoms is muscle pain, tremors and sharp stabbing pains in her lungs.

"My lungs, my heart and now my kidneys have been affected by this. I still can't talk properly," she says.

She's part of the statistics that "recovered" tho. Anyone have any guesses as to her life expectancy? Think she'll lead a full life?

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by leesa

https://honey.nine.com.au/latest/cor...6-c9bfacad2012

Marathon runner unable to breathe properly months after COVID-19: 'Like being on your deathbed'



She's part of the statistics that "recovered" tho. Anyone have any guesses as to her life expectancy? Think she'll lead a full life?

I'll go with normal and probably.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I'll go with normal and probably.

You don't think her athletic career might take a bit of a hit?

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by leesa

She's part of the statistics that "recovered" tho. Anyone have any guesses as to her life expectancy? Think she'll lead a full life?

So much we don't know about the long term effects. Seems like every part of the body is affected, strange new stuff

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Russell, would it be possible for your daily update to be about midday and split Australia/Rest of the world? The VIC daily update data is released closer to 11:00am. And when they are, the numbers don't match with your daily update.

Originally Posted by russellw

In short, no. You (and the rest of the country) have ready access to the AU data and the figures for VIC 14 day averages are correct for the day posted.

I can see how my question may have come across as being unappreciative. Forgot to use the word 'please' there. But ok, not a problem. Appreciate you keeping us updated.

Originally Posted by russellw

You may not care about the rest of the World but it helps keep perspective.

Originally Posted by Tickford.

**Plus, since the borders are closed and we can't travel overseas, who cares about the rest of the world anyway??
**Note: Comment made in 'Romulus' mode. ()

Russ, I think you may have missed the fine print underlined above. Was a cheeky comment made in tone with a certain forum member, who's comments come across as very self-centred. Most definitely not a case of not caring about the rest of the world from my side. Having family and friends living/working in just over 20 different countries around the world atm, quite the opposite actually.

[Romulus]

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/06...El3KQCukE_gRI8

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

You don't think her athletic career might take a bit of a hit?

No it wont, she works in medical sales, but that wasn't the question that was asked and I was answering.

You got caught in the click bait headline and didn't read the article I guess.

Just for interest - sounds a lot like the way some people have long lasting issues from the flu

https://www.health.com/condition/col...g-term-effects