Covid 19 -

[DJR-351]

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Yeah draft dodger, coward.

I hope they put that UV Baseball bat in is backside and inject him with Bleach.

It should work (as he said).

Conservatives when RBG died: “Didn’t agree with her but what a remarkable woman, RIP”.

The Left when Trump gets COVID: “ZOMG can it be true I hope he dies painfully get the bleach hey look he’s going to the hospital this is it guys come on clammy hand of death let’s do this!”

[Mr_G6ET]

Lets not forget he is human, notably with some defects.
We dont want him to too sick, just learn

Just because he has been a dick, ignorant, socially disruptive, socially divisive, discriminative, womanising, and embarrassing from start through to international gatherings including daft american followers, and the like, he is still a man and we don't want anyone sick with anything

[xxx000]

Interesting to see Trump getting the finest medical care, including a helicopter flight to hospital.

Millions of Americans couldn't begin to afford any of that care, and all for something that he's so often been dismissive of.
I see Kelly-Anne Conways family are pretty ****ed with Trump admin. George and Kelly-Anne must have some Interesting dinner table discussions about Trump.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Conservatives when RBG died: “Didn’t agree with her but what a remarkable woman, RIP”.



The Left when Trump gets COVID: “ZOMG can it be true I hope he dies painfully get the bleach hey look he’s going to the hospital this is it guys come on clammy hand of death let’s do this!”

Whilst I don't wish anyone ill health, I find it hard to have any sympathy. They aren't even in the same league. RBG never made fun of people with disabilities, mock people with mental health, or start conspiracies about people's health for personal gain.

This is not left vs right. It's just Trump. If it was Pence I don't think you'd get the same reaction.

Interesting how Fox is covering this. Claiming that the timing is "interesting" whilst stressing that they are not suggesting any conspiracy. And it seems the White House has been caught out telling alternate truths.

Also whats fascinating is how Baron is negative.

[xxx000]

The claim that this is Left vs Right is convenient way of dismissing anything that doesn't fit your own belief system.

Oh that's just the Left, typical Liberals, fake news, it's the MSM, et al

As we're all aware there is good bad on both sides.

In this US election both sides have poor candidates and the World is watching the whole circus.

Let's hope the US now takes Covid a little more seriously

[cs123]

Russ,
do you have any stats on how "deadly" this virus is 10 months in? Obviously more deadly at the beginning, but wondering what improvements exist in the mortality rate now vs then

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59GMT October 3rd, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

8 new cases for Australia and 3 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.293% while active cases drop to 1,378. NSW & WA recorded 1 case each with the balance in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 12.86 with metro at 11.9 (13 unknown) and regional at 0.2 and no unknown cases. Victoria reported 12 new cases for the last 24 hours. The weekly total for Victoria of 74 is 30% down on the previous week and there were 3 fewer deaths with 23.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.352% and active cases drop to 41.

The UK had a slightly higher 7,070 new cases yesterday but also identified almost 5k cases that were missed ion the last week of October. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR.

Just over 54k new cases in the USA yesterday and 862 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.827% and active cases drop to 33.9% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 35M with the last 1M taking only 3 days again;
The USA completes 110M, India 77M, Russia 47M and Turkey 10M tests;
Europe recorded a new daily case high of 66,507 (2/10);

Angola (159); Tunisia (1,223); UAE (1,231); Lebanon (1,321); Poland (2,367); Belgium (3,175); Netherlands (3,967); Ukraine (4,661) recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Interesting how Fox is covering this. Claiming that the timing is "interesting" whilst stressing that they are not suggesting any conspiracy. And it seems the White House has been caught out telling alternate truths.

Also whats fascinating is how Baron is negative.

interesting as since hearing of this ive felt its just another trump stunt my self
almost feel theres going to be a miraculous recovery (with an agenda)
followed by "hes not the messiah , hes just a very naughty boy" moment

[russellw]

Originally Posted by cs123

Russ,
do you have any stats on how "deadly" this virus is 10 months in? Obviously more deadly at the beginning, but wondering what improvements exist in the mortality rate now vs then

I've ben tracking the global CMR along with a few selected countries and while the numbers differ based on response for the individual countries, the global figure has been the main one to watch.

In April it was 6.67%, in May that had dropped to 6.15%, 4.15% in July; by August it was down to 3.33%; 3.09% at the end of September and it is currently just a fraction under 3%.

I've no idea where it should really be and the various modelling is all guesswork based on no one actually knowing what the unidentified case volumes are.

What I can say is that it will probably be less than the 3% despite some countries clearly under-reporting deaths and while I thought Australia had a pretty good handle on it with the amount of testing we've done (43% equivalence), I think our current 3.293% is too high.

Russia is 1.76% but I suspect they are under-reporting although they have tested the equivalent of 40% population and might be close to accurate if they are reporting correctly.

The USA has tested the equivalent of half their population and is sitting at 2.82% while Andorra has tested the equivalent of almost twice the population and is at 2.877%.

[Tickford.]

Is this just another 'October Surprise'?

A game changing event usually occurring in the month of October before election, which can boost, or damage one candidate's chances and critically change the course of an election.

US has a history of October surprises in an election year. Leaving out the obvious October surprises from this year, here's a small list from 2016 and previous years.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19887898

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by jaydee

But just imagine for a minute, the President of the USA, taken out by a foreign power ( China with their virus be it accidentally or intentionally unleashed on the world) without a shot being fired or war declared.

What will happen when Covid 19 is gone and then China sends the next one out ?

D Trump has been the best President that the USA has ever hade in fact if anyone bothers to look past the childish deranged media spin.
Obama was even more of a moron than baby Bush was, both of them ran the USA into the ground.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Interesting to see Trump getting the finest medical care, including a helicopter flight to hospital.

What were you expecting, that he would be sent off in a taxi to the nearest emergency department?

That is i not a Trump thing, not even a POTUS thing. It's what you would expect of any significant leader.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 4th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

15 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR rises to 3.295% while active cases drop to 1,376. NSW recorded 2 cases and SA recorded 1 with the balance in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 12.71 with metro at 11.6 (13 unknown) and regional up to 0.3 and no unknown cases. Victoria reported 9 new cases for the last 24 hours.

5 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.348% and active cases remain at 41.

The UK had a slightly higher 7,982 new cases yesterday but the redistribution of missed cases in September put several days over 10k new cases including a record of 11,754 on October 2nd. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR.

Just over 50k new cases in the USA yesterday and 757 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.819% and active cases drop to 33.8% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases set a new daily high of 321,762 on 2nd October;
Russia is over 10k daily cases with the highest number since early May;
The USA completes 111M, India 78M and the UAE 10M tests;
Asia passes 11M cases and 200k deaths;
Europe recorded an amended daily case high of 71,293 (2/10);

Tunisia (1,286); Belgium (3,389) and the Netherlands (4,003)recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by tweeked

What were you expecting, that he would be sent off in a taxi to the nearest emergency department?

That is i not a Trump thing, not even a POTUS thing. It's what you would expect of any significant leader.

If you quoted my whole post, not just the first part, you'd see I was commenting on the health care system for others in the U.S. in these times under Trump.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Interesting to see Trump getting the finest medical care, including a helicopter flight to hospital.

Millions of Americans couldn't begin to afford any of that care, and all for something that he's so often been dismissive of.
I see Kelly-Anne Conways family are pretty ****ed with Trump admin. George and Kelly-Anne must have some Interesting dinner table discussions about Trump.

The president getting the best health care. I'm staggered to be hearing that

He's the president ffs. What did you expect them to do, send him down to the local hospital waiting room and have him wait in line?

[HIPO]

LOL, i guess the team behind Trump, are way too smart for the haters as usual..........

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by HIPO

LOL, i guess the team behind Trump, are way too smart for the haters as usual..........

I feel for those SS agents that took him on the mini joy ride. Those vehicles are pretty much sealed to protect against gas and chemical attacks. I wonder if they drew straws, the driver looks defeated. Feel for their families too.
The smart ones left 4 years ago. My friend's partner protected Obama. He quit the day of the change over Smart move.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The president getting the best health care. I'm staggered to be hearing that

He's the president ffs. What did you expect them to do, send him down to the local hospital waiting room and have him wait in line?

You know what I'm referring to but yeah keep the smart alec comments coming if you feel better

[Ross 1]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

What will happen when Covid 19 is gone and then Nazi China sends the next one out ?

D Trump has been the best President that the USA has ever hade in fact if anyone bothers to look past the childish deranged media spin.
Obama was even more of a moron than baby Bush was, both of them ran the USA into the ground.

Many Chinese members of the National Socialist German Workers Party?

Trump at best has maintained the trends started by Obama https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-45827430 and let his spin convince suckers he is awesome. How many rape allegations does Obama or any other US presidents have against them? Bet the 44 presidents before him combined didn't have 26 women claiming sexual assault, he is a vile human being who associates with pedos, racists (who he won't denounce) and if his Covid infection is true hopefully he dies sooner rather than later.

[marty351]

^^^
Looks like twitter is rallying the troops.

Standby for incoming "fact" bombardment!

[Citroënbender]

Looks like twitter is rallying the troops.

Yes, I read the #ProudBoys hashtag is trending heavily.

Disappointed to see that Victorians are not getting much clarity on what their Dear Leader and his coterie are actually thinking/planning in terms of ongoing strictures.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Yes, I read the #ProudBoys hashtag is trending heavily.

Disappointed to see that Victorians are not getting much clarity on what their Dear Leader and his coterie are actually thinking/planning in terms of ongoing strictures.

Yep the Proudboys hashtag will surprise the redneck white supremacists lol

[GasoLane]

Can we now get back to the Topic and leave the presidential comments to covid related posts only please.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I feel for those SS agents that took him on the mini joy ride. Those vehicles are pretty much sealed to protect against gas and chemical attacks. I wonder if they drew straws, the driver looks defeated. Feel for their families too.
The smart ones left 4 years ago. My friend's partner protected Obama. He quit the day of the change over Smart move.

They'll be fine, there's an internal separation.

But he's wearing a mask so they're all good.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

...
The smart ones left 4 years ago. My friend's partner protected Obama. He quit the day of the change over Smart move.

Interesting, I just read that SS follow the specific president they are assigned to, and stay with them even after their term ends.


Maybe I should try to find the link.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

They'll be fine, there's an internal separation.

But he's wearing a mask so they're all good.

There's a privacy separation screen but only the one self contained air recirculation system, they breath the same air...

President Donald Trump to leave hospital after COVID-19 treatment

https://www.9news.com.au/world/donal...eatment_061020

US President Donald Trump has announced he will leave hospital after treatment for coronavirus.

The President tweeted moments ago, "Feeling really good. Don't be afraid of COVID. Don't let it rule your life. We have developed some really great drugs and knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago."

Mr Trump said he will leave the Walter Reed Medical Centre at 6.30pm (US time).

He has been receiving COVID-19 treatment there since Friday.

The scale of the outbreak within the White House itself was still being uncovered as press secretary Kayleigh McEnany announced she tested positive for the virus Monday morning and was entering quarantine.

Mr Trump's doctors have not released an update on his condition since Sunday morning.

Earlier, White House officials said Mr Trump was anxious to be released after three nights at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where doctors revealed on Sunday that his blood oxygen level had dropped suddenly twice in recent days and that they gave him a steroid typically only recommended for the very sick. Still, the doctors said Mr Trump's health was improving and he could be discharged as early as Monday to continue the remainder of his treatment at the White House.

Less than one month before Election Day, Mr Trump was eager to project strength despite his illness. The still-infectious president surprised supporters who had gathered outside the hospital, riding by Sunday in a black SUV with the windows rolled up. Secret Service agents inside the vehicle could be seen in masks and other protective gear.

The move capped a weekend of contradictions that fuelled confusion about Mr Trump's health, which has imperilled the leadership of the US government and upended the final stages of the presidential campaign. While Mr Trump's physician offered a rosy prognosis on his condition, his briefings lacked basic information, including the findings of lung scans, or were quickly muddled by more serious assessments of the president's health by other officials.

In a short video released by the White House on Sunday, Mr Trump insisted he understood the gravity of the moment. But his actions moments later, by leaving the hospital and sitting inside the SUV with others, suggested otherwise.

Ms McEnany spoke briefly with reporters Sunday evening without wearing a mask, but said that no members of the White House press corps spent enough time around her to be considered close contacts.

According to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, the best evidence is that people with mild to moderate COVID-19 aren't contagious about 10 days after symptom onset. People with more severe disease likely are contagious no longer than 20 days after symptom onset, according to those guidelines. That means isolation — whether in the hospital or at home — is supposed to last for at least 10 days.

Joe Biden's campaign, meanwhile, said the Democratic presidential nominee again tested negative for coronavirus Sunday. The results came five days after Mr Biden spent more than 90 minutes on the debate stage with Mr Trump. Mr Biden, who has taken a far more cautious approach to in-person events — and has been mocked repeatedly for it by Mr Trump — had two negative tests on Friday.

Mr Trump's doctors sidestepped questions on Sunday about exactly when his blood oxygen dropped — episodes they neglected to mention in multiple statements the day before — or whether lung scans showed any damage.
Read more: Trump update spurs more questions than answers, again
It was the second straight day of obfuscation from a White House already suffering from a credibility crisis. And it raised more doubts about whether the doctors treating the president were sharing accurate, timely information with the American public about the severity of his condition.

Even before Mr Trump's motorcade outing on Sunday, some Secret Service agents had expressed concern about the lackadaisical attitude toward masks and social distancing inside the White House, but there isn't much they can do, according to agents and officials who spoke to The Associated Press. This close to the election, thousands of agents are engaged on protective duty so they can be subbed out quickly should someone test positive.

According to CDC guidelines, in general, transport and movement of a patient with suspected or confirmed infection of the virus that causes COVID-19 "outside of their room should be limited to medically essential purposes."
The disclosures about Mr Trump's oxygen levels and steroid treatment suggested the president is enduring more than a mild case of COVID-19.
Signs of pneumonia or other lung damage could be detected in scans before a patient feels short of breath, but the president's doctors declined to say what those scans have revealed.

Asked about Dr Conley's lack of transparency, White House aide Alyssa Farah suggested the doctors were speaking as much to the president as to the American public, "when you're treating a patient, you want to project confidence, you want to lift their spirits, and that was the intent."

Dr Sean Conley, physician to President Donald Trump, briefs reporters at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., Sunday, Oct. 4, 2020. Trump was admitted to the hospital after contracting the coronavirus. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin) (AP)
In all, nearly 7.4 million people have been infected in the United States, and few have access to the kind of around-the-clock attention and experimental treatments as Mr Trump.

Mr Trump's treatment with the steroid dexamethasone is in addition to the single dose he was given Friday of an experimental drug from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc. that supplies antibodies to help the immune system fight the virus. Mr Trump on Friday also began a five-day course of remdesivir, a Gilead Sciences drug currently used for moderately and severely ill patients. The drugs work in different ways — the antibodies help the immune system rid the body of virus, and remdesivir curbs the virus' ability to multiply.

The steroid's use has only been proven to help in more serious cases. Among the concerns with earlier use is that steroids tamp down certain immune cells, hindering the body's own ability to fight off infection.
Mr Trump is 74 years old and clinically obese, putting him at higher risk of serious complications.

First lady Melania Trump has remained at the White House as she recovers from her own bout with the virus.

Many in the White House are also shaken and scared — nervous that they have been exposed to the virus and confronting the reality that what seemed like a bubble of safety has become a COVID-19 hot spot. It took until late Sunday for the White House to send a generic note to staffers suggesting they not come to the building if they do not feel well.
– Reported with Associated Press

[PhilT2]

The latest briefing from the Presidents medical team mentions the drugs he has been given; dexamethasone and remdesivir. No mention of hydroxochloroquine. The drugs given to the president have not been formally approved for treatment of the virus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvbHCvg2DS4

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

Interesting, I just read that SS follow the specific president they are assigned to, and stay with them even after their term ends.


Maybe I should try to find the link.

Well they shut up shop and a few weeks later left the US. I asked why and was given a very short answer. Obviously he can't say too much, and I also try not to ask too many questions . Outside they are just very normal people.

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I feel for those SS agents that took him on the mini joy ride. Those vehicles are pretty much sealed to protect against gas and chemical attacks. I wonder if they drew straws, the driver looks defeated. Feel for their families too.
The smart ones left 4 years ago. My friend's partner protected Obama. He quit the day of the change over Smart move.

He may get a chance at guarding him again......... in GITMO.....