Covid 19 -

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

BREAKING NEWS: The rogue New Zealand travellers have been spotted in a field east of Melbourne.

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They're Paddocks here In Australia Mate..

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Funny you mention this, we in country Victoria have been saying this about Melbournites sneaking out.
Fortunately lately we have been having roadside compliant checks by the cops to make sure they catch people who aren't supposed to be here....... and they've been catching them.

funny us westozzers have been saying that for years too bout easties sneeking in



disclaimer :-just pokin fun , not serious

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by wodahs

funny us westozzers have been saying that for years too bout easties sneeking in



disclaimer :-just pokin fun , not serious

That's ok, the feeling's mutual

[DJR-351]

Video....

Whereabouts of 17 NZ passengers in Melbourne still unknown, Andrews says

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...unknown_171020

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Video....

Whereabouts of 17 NZ passengers in Melbourne still unknown, Andrews says

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...unknown_171020

Daniel Andrews can lock Melbourne down but cannot stop tourists departing Tullamarine Airport.... this B.S. is starting to do my head in.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Daniel Andrews can lock Melbourne down but cannot stop tourists departing Tullamarine Airport.... this B.S. is starting to do my head in.

It's all over the place. This drags on for much longer, I think I might slip across the border to Albury and buy a cheap NSW rego car.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Daniel Andrews can lock Melbourne down but cannot stop tourists departing Tullamarine Airport.... this B.S. is starting to do my head in.

Very understandable. When your head is 'done' in, it causes you to loose the ability to read and/or understand fact. Which in turn, causes one to make biased assumptions, and frustratingly post biased B.S. on forums.

It's all over the place!

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Very understandable. When your head is 'done' in, it causes you to loose the ability to read and/or understand fact. Which in turn, causes one to

make biased assumptions, and frustratingly post biased B.S. on forums.

It's all over the place!

I'm starting to lean to your side. Its looking more and more like NOT an accident or a mishap. Landing cards still not provided. Acting minister for immigration too busy having a crack at DA, and now trying to stitch up Sutton. WTF? Just handover those landing cards!

Coincidentally, shop owners have suddenly decided to open up illegally on the eve of restriction easing being announced. Anti gov protesters just so happen to be on site. Gees, what are the odds? Who is paying those fines? I bet it won't be the shop owners.

7news just reported that international arrivals soon won't need to fill in landing cards anymore. It will be digitised and linked to vaccine records, whatever that means. Queue the conspiracies.....

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Daniel Andrews can lock Melbourne down but cannot stop tourists departing Tullamarine Airport.... this B.S. is starting to do my head in.

Another screw up of galactic proportions by the Andrews government and, predictably, it’s someone else’s fault yet again. Astounding...


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[Danny]

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[tweeked]

Exactly why is it an issue that NZ visitors are an issue crossing the border? Andrews is in a huff about people from one of the safest covid countries in the world coming into Victoria, most probably returning to where they normally reside??? And yet a few thousand NSW people crossing daily from a much more covid active area is fine? (And i don’t have an issue with that, just trying to understand what he is thinking). The guy is an idiot, he needs concentrate on something important like the anarchy that is swelling like a tidal wave in front of him. He has backed businesses into a corner where now many do not care about fines as they are taking their last commercial breaths anyway.

[tweeked]

sorry another double post, going to give up using the phone version

[T3rminator]

Breaking news: Dictator Dan wields illegal powers and detains NZ arrivals at melb airport. Growing anger at police overreach.

Astonishing this has somehow been twisted into a Vic fault. May as well open up all states to NZ and have a free for all. Unbelievable people can't see we have just recovered. Other states can risk a 2nd wave, VIC can't risk a 3rd. There will not be a 3rd lock down, the people won't have it. Best thing DA can do now is close our borders to nsw. Follow WA and QLD. IMHO. Yes NZ is low risk but only 2 states taking them in... Why?

Friday's national cabinet cancellation is starting to smell a bit funky now. I'm jumping on the cynic bandwagon. Looking forward to be able to drive 20km!

[Citroënbender]

I’m pleased to see Melbourne residents are now accorded more freedom. Hopefully it won’t be revoked.

[AlanD]

Watched most of D.A's press conference today and, based on his answers to questions:
1. The federal government asked the Victorian government if Victoria wanted to be a part of the bubble. The answer was "not at the moment".
2. The Victorian government found out about the 17 travellers' from NZ about 12 hours after they had boarded a domestic flight from Sydney.
3. Turns out that there were 55 or so people rather than 17. In between times the number bounced upwards from the initial number. The final number was advised about 24 hours after the domestic flight.
4. At least one of them, when phoned, was not in Victoria but was at Byron Bay.
5. I gathered that Andrews point was that he would have liked to have known about them so that they could have been met at the airport. Then they could be advised about our restrictions in a group before departing for their final destinations. That way they would be in the same position as all other Victorians.

As it has transpired many hours were spent chasing these people (for that purpose?) by officers on the covid task force deflecting the officers from other activities that are ongoing.

I wonder how many of the "Kiwis" are aware that if they want to return to NZ (presuming the NZ government allows this) they will need to quarantine as they enter NSW for 14 days in the absence of special relaxation, and that will be followed by a similar requirement when they get to NZ if the current requirements of that country still exist.

His other point was that "it happened - we need to see it does not happen again - and that is not likely if we all retreat to our respective corners to snipe at one another".

Now, without getting into politics, I will say that I do not envy Andrews his job. For the last 100 days, at least, he has fronted the media to report each day and responded to all of the questions asked with, if todays event is an example, good grace. Todays event lasted 2 hours, and I will offer that by the end of it I would, if in Andrews position, not have responded with the same level of grace that he did. I'm glad I'm not into politics.

Final point. For Metro residents, you will be able to travel up to a distance of 25km from home so long as you do not cross the Metro/Regional boundary. Checks at the boundary are going to be beefed up and the fine for non compliance is a bit south of $4000.

Cheers

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Breaking news: Dictator Dan wields illegal powers and detains NZ arrivals at melb airport. Growing anger at police overreach.

Astonishing this has somehow been twisted into a Vic fault.

Yep, it's unbelievable the length some of the one eyed, biased and political agenda driven will go to. During cabinet meetings prior to NZ arrivals, DA had asked the Federal government (Morrison) to ensure international arrivals to Sydney cannot catch a connecting flight to VIC. The VIC-NSW border is closed to the general public, but isn't closed for essential workers and freight, as was requested by Morrison. The NZ travellers aren't either of those, so it was up to Fed run border force, and NSW government to make sure they could not board a flight to VIC.

The NZ travellers arrived in Sydney, and despite VIC governments request, the Fed run Australian Border Force, along with the NSW government, failed to implement any strategies to ensure international arrivals could not travel to other states that are not open to international travellers! And this is somehow VIC/Andrews fault!??

If I was to be cynical, I wouldn't be surprised if the NSW authorities, and the Border Force knew that some of the NZ arrivals had connecting flights to Melbourne, and turned a blind eye and let them board the flight, just minutes after arriving in Sydney.

This is, once again, the Morrison government, and NSW playing political games. They turned a bind eye to the VIC governments request, just so they could put pressure on VIC government to fully open up the border to NSW, and to international arrivals. Just as Morrison did back in July. Can you imagine if the VIC-NSW border did in fact open up back in July, and the clusterf**k that was the northern suburbs of Melbourne had spread into NSW?? Who do you think Morrison and Berejiklian would have blamed then?

On another note, it is true that NZ has one of the lowest infected numbers in the world. And the NZ arrivals most likely are (or have to prove to be) negative before travelling to Sydney. But why put them at risk of catching the virus by allowing them to travel to VIC, which is only just beginning to recover from the worst infection rate in Australia? And still has a number of mystery cases of unknown origin? If NSW wants to take the risk of allowing international travellers to come to Sydney, contract Covid, with the risk of them falling ill, or worse - while they're in NSW, or even potentially taking it back to NZ, that's Morrison's and Berejiklian's choice. Andrews is probably not willing to take that risk.

[Tickford.]

Here's a quick list of the VIC restrictions effective from 11:59pm today. For the full listed details, click HERE.

Metropolitan Melbourne
From 11:59pm on Sunday October 18:

- No time limit on leaving the home for exercise or socialising outdoors

- Travel distance will move to 25 kilometres

- Outdoor gatherings will increase to 10 people from two households

- Settings to reopen are tennis, skate parks, golf

- Hairdressers will reopen

- Real estate auctions can proceed with max 10 people

- 30 swimmers at outdoor pools

- Solo or automated car washing and pool cleaning will be allowed



Regional Victoria
From 11:59pm on Sunday October 18:

- Two people plus dependants are allowed into the home. The bubble is gone, you can have as many different families visit you but they can only be two adults and dependants at a time per day.

- Hospitality venues can increase their capacity to 70 people outside and 40 people inside.

-Outdoor religious gatherings will increase to 20 people.

-Libraries, toy libraries will open again, a maximum of 20 people.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Yep, it's unbelievable the length some of the one eyed, biased and political agenda driven will go to. During cabinet meetings prior to NZ arrivals, DA had asked the Federal government (Morrison) to ensure international arrivals to Sydney cannot catch a connecting flight to VIC. The VIC-NSW border is closed to the general public, but isn't closed for essential workers and freight, as was requested by Morrison. The NZ travellers aren't either of those, so it was up to Fed run border force, and NSW government to make sure they could not board a flight to VIC.

The NZ travellers arrived in Sydney, and despite VIC governments request, the Fed run Australian Border Force, along with the NSW government, failed to implement any strategies to ensure international arrivals could not travel to other states that are not open to international travellers! And this is somehow VIC/Andrews fault!??

If I was to be cynical, I wouldn't be surprised if the NSW authorities, and the Border Force knew that some of the NZ arrivals had connecting flights to Melbourne, and turned a blind eye and let them board the flight, just minutes after arriving in Sydney.

This is, once again, the Morrison government, and NSW playing political games. They turned a bind eye to the VIC governments request, just so they could put pressure on VIC government to fully open up the border to NSW, and to international arrivals. Just as Morrison did back in July. Can you imagine if the VIC-NSW border did in fact open up back in July, and the clusterf**k that was the northern suburbs of Melbourne had spread into NSW?? Who do you think Morrison and Berejiklian would have blamed then?

On another note, it is true that NZ has one of the lowest infected numbers in the world. And the NZ arrivals most likely are (or have to prove to be) negative before travelling to Sydney. But why put them at risk of catching the virus by allowing them to travel to VIC, which is only just beginning to recover from the worst infection rate in Australia? And still has a number of mystery cases of unknown origin? If NSW wants to take the risk of allowing international travellers to come to Sydney, contract Covid, with the risk of them falling ill, or worse - while they're in NSW, or even potentially taking it back to NZ, that's Morrison's and Berejiklian's choice. Andrews is probably not willing to take that risk.

The Vic NSW border isn't closed, its just in a bubble atm, as long as you are within the 150km line from the border either side you can cross back and forth without a reason. I was in Albury yesterday.

But I agree with everything else you have stated.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

The Vic NSW border isn't closed, its just in a bubble atm, as long as you are within the 150km line from the border either side you can cross back and forth without a reason. I was in Albury yesterday.

But I agree with everything else you have stated.

True, and correct.

I was more referring to Melbourne Metro, which is closed to Sydney/NSW general public. But not to 50 odd New Zealanders who probably are now spread out in the Melbourne metro area.

[T3rminator]

20 odd made it to Perth, but due to the hard border, they were caught and quarantined. MM said they caught them using the G2G app? What is that? I had a quick look, it looks like something you have to apply for, so does that mean they had prior notice? He is fuming, and has made a very valid point. Not only are these arrivals unplanned, but they are also taking up cap space from potential citizens and residents who want to return to Perth.

Meanwhile, its been revealed that the couple that illegally opened their hair salon yesterday is linked to our good friend Avi. Too obvious. Long lines, protesters, TV crew all set up for the stunt.

Oh, and apparently it has been mentioned in Britain that they might model Victoria's restrictions to help stop the bleeding.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

True, and correct.

I was more referring to Melbourne Metro, which is closed to Sydney/NSW general public. But not to 50 odd New Zealanders who probably are now spread out in the Melbourne metro area.

"The Vic border isn't closed from the NSW direction at all.
No permit or approval is required to enter Victoria from another state – however you will need to adhere to the restrictions and directions that are in place to slow the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19) in Victoria."

https://www.rdv.vic.gov.au/about-rdv...r-commissioner

Do you honestly believe that the plane from Sydney only had those NZ arrivals on it? There are six flights from NSW arriving tomorrow.

There are only restrictions on leaving the MEL metro area, or crossing OUT of VIC

The hysteria on this non event is mind boggling.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Astonishing this has somehow been twisted into a Vic fault.

Because Victoria's website that said there was no restriction on entering the state???? Betchya no one can remember who was meant to change or not change the website. Or maybe Dan doesn't know what was on it.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Because Victoria's website that said there was no restriction on entering the state???? Betchya no one can remember who was meant to change or not change the website. Or maybe Dan doesn't know what was on it.

Agree Vic's DHHS website is a joke. It took them ages to update the FAQs when we changed from Stage 3 to Stage 4 restrictions, even when after they had several questions about a particular topic, like "going for a drive". Its also very hard to find the exact info you are looking for. But surely you can't rely on overseas tourists to read Victoria's DHHS website, a state that wasn't even part of the bubble .

Anyway, its obvious we are not all in this together, so we can at least now stop pretending. DA needs to put some coast guards at Port Melb and make sure no mysterious cruise ships dock there overnight.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jacinda re-evaluates the bubble. If you can't even co-ordinate state borders, what hope do you have to co-ordinate people moving in and out of "hot spots".

[Citroënbender]

What happens to bubbles, by nature?

Victoria is probably less “infected” than NSW by a long shot now.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

BREAKING NEWS: The rogue New Zealand travellers have been spotted in a field east of Melbourne.

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That should dramatically increase the local IQ

[wodahs]

yep , so much for the travel bubble situation scomo was putting forward
his call is its the only places where they are allowed to enter in to australia , but once they are here , acording to scomo its open slather to where they want to go
so scomo why not just let them fly dirrect with out the hassel
thats right these states dont want to fully open their borders yet but youll play your games to bypass things to get your way , couldnt get them open with backing his mate clive so now trying another angle

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 17th, 2020.
Not posted yesterday because of Bathurst.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

12 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drop to 3.301% while active cases drop to 1,381. NSW recorded 5 cases, WA & SA 2 cases each with the balance in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average is down to 9.5 with metro falling to 7.5 (15 unknown) and regional at 0.5 with no unknown cases (including today). Victoria reported 2 new cases for the last 24 hours (ended 11:00 18/10).

3 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.328% and active cases rise to 44.

The UK had a slightly higher 16,171 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 150 deaths.

Just over 71.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 928 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.698% and active cases drop to 32.2% with the raw numbers falling but still over 2.6M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 124M, India 93M, Russia 53M & Venezuela 2M tests;
Europe recorded a new daily case high of 153,184 after the previous high was amended slightly;

Bosnia (716)
Malaysia (869)
Slovenia (898)
UAE (1,538)
Armenia (1,540)
Austria (1,747)
Hungary (1,791)
Morocco (3,763)
Ukraine (6,410)
Netherlands (8,114)
Poland (9,622)
Italy (10,925)
Argentina (26,107) and
France (32,427) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[jmack]

Originally Posted by wodahs

yep , so much for the travel bubble situation scomo was putting forward
his call is its the only places where they are allowed to enter in to australia , but once they are here , acording to scomo its open slather to where they want to go
so scomo why not just let them fly dirrect with out the hassel
thats right these states dont want to fully open their borders yet but youll play your games to bypass things to get your way , couldnt get them open with backing his mate clive so now trying another angle

maybe you should go and see what sutton said on about the 3rd march and i think andrews might have been with him

[T3rminator]

I see Melbourne's petrol price has risen in line with Melbournian's sense of optimism. 40 cents per litre overnight. Having been sitting at $1.05 for pretty much the last couple of months, today its $1.45. Must just be coincidence.

I don't think that was the gov's idea when they said spend to kick start the economy

[prydey]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I see Melbourne's petrol price has risen in line with Melbournian's sense of optimism. 40 cents per litre overnight. Having been sitting at $1.05 for pretty much the last couple of months, today its $1.45. Must just be coincidence.

I don't think that was the gov's idea when they said spend to kick start the economy

not just melb. adelaide was 99c up to friday then 1.47 on the weekend, depending on which outlet you looked at.