FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[Bonn]

The VF HSVs look like Mazda 3s/6s from behind

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by Bonn

The VF HSVs look like Mazda 3s/6s from behind

Yep, just not as good looking as the Mazdas.

But, the VF as a HUD!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by commandojones

Yes the VF is a much better car... complete with its extras... its 4th manufacturing recall - I am filled with confidence. Also this is Holden's 11th recall for this year!

http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news...4#.U-K8gfmSxHU

Holden has spent so much time trying to put all these extras in to make it sell but they forgot how to get the fundamentals of building a car right. They cant even weld a seat bracket correctly... such a better car.

You do know that FG Falcons suffer from exactly the same problem, right? Their seat bases crack and require welding to repair. The only difference is when Holden identifies a batch of seat bases with the potential to fail, they actually recall the cars. As we all know (diff bushes, ZF heat exchangers, seat bases, Territory ball joints, pre-2012 diff cradles etc etc) Ford Australia famously avoids rectifying issues. So let's not bag Holden for doing the right thing. Ford has exactly the same issue yet has been quite happy for customers to have their seat bases break for the last 7 years.

Regardless, I don't think this should turn into a Commodore/Falcon bashing thread. I think we're all (mostly) grown up enough to accept that they're both great Australian products.

[Professor Farnsworth]

my FG suffered more warranty concerns in the first 3000KM from new than any other car i've ever had from new (5). It's a great car but the build quality issues i've had with it scare me off the next model when they're playing with a razor thin budget.

good cars, no money to make them great.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Bonn

The VF HSVs look like Mazda 3s/6s from behind

Must say the gen f look very good at night from the rear with the lights on

[Sorted]

What happened to the Photos, what post are they in?
Instead of this stupid banter that goes on in here - oh look a sheep baaa baaa

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

The whole "People do not want a large car" thing is wrong !

Why does the Hilux sell so well, Ranger ... all the other "tall Utes" ... why is Tezza a relatively good seller ?

People still buy large cars, but they expect them to perform a greater range of tasks.

People don't want a large sedan. The two variants your describe are were people have moved to. SUV's and 4 door utes are where the market is....as well as the small car market. This has been going on like this for 15 years.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by Sorted

What happened to the Photos, what post are they in?
Instead of this stupid banter that goes on in here - oh look a sheep baaa baaa

Hey,

They're on the way mate.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by vztrt

People don't want a large sedan. The two variants your describe are were people have moved to. SUV's and 4 door utes are where the market is....as well as the small car market. This has been going on like this for 15 years.

If Geoff Polites were still around, would Broadmeadows have been churning out I6T Direct-Injection T6 Ford Rangers, 335kw Coyote Territories and Ford Focuses? That bloke forecasted the shift to SUV's back in '99 apparently. The rest of the ford Aus directors have been totally useless except for Martin Burela.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

It is a facelifted VE. Front and rear changes whilst the mid section is the same. Think VX to VY.

Alumminium suspension components.
Aluminium boot and bonnet.
Aluminium brace across firewall for mounting steering pedals etc.
Electric steering
New GM Global A standard wiring loom and bus.
New interior.
Mix of higher strength steels in all of the car, including doors that apparently didn't change.
Improved NVH.
Auto parking.
Lane Assist.
HUD.
Forward collision alert.
Blind spot alert.
Reverse traffic alert.
Upgraded stereo.
Next generation ABS and traction control.
Lower drag coefficient across car by new panels and by fitting of wind deflectors on underbody.
New glass.
60% of chassis modified to reduce weight and new higher strength steels introduced.
My Linq infotainment with traffic alert.
Remote Starting.

That's what I can think of, of the top of my head. Yeap they barely touched the old girl.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by Slorta

The VF will outsell the Falcon hands down. And why, not because the VF is a better car (we all know it isn't) but because Holden advertises the VF.

For the last 4 years, Ford management have just wanted the Falcon to go away. Now their dream is nearly a reality.

An American CEO with Chinese interests. What hope did Ford Australia ever have ???

I purchased a VF and yes the advertising campaign was good, but I can assure you I have never nor will ever buy a car based on an advertising campaign. If the car was not a significant step up from VE, no amount of great advertising would have mattered.

Advertising is important, but it is not able to sell a car on its own. The car, the dealer and the manufacturer must all work together to make that happen.

We all know Falcon advertising has been woeful since the excellent BA campaign, but its also become a convenient excuse for many Ford fans to brush off the many problems Ford Australia has.

[LooLoo18]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

I purchased a VF and yes the advertising campaign was good, but I can assure you I have never nor will ever buy a car based on an advertising campaign. If the car was not a significant step up from VE, no amount of great advertising would have mattered.

Advertising is important, but it is not able to sell a car on its own. The car, the dealer and the manufacturer must all work together to make that happen.

We all know Falcon advertising has been woeful since the excellent BA campaign, but its also become a convenient excuse for many Ford fans to brush off the many problems Ford Australia has.

I agree advertising might get you to the yard but it wont make you buy the car!!!

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by LooLoo18

XD Falcon = euro I think not not in my book anyway

Take a look at a late model 80's Granada or Cortina. Yeap it looked ever bit the Euro car - just super sized. The interior of the XD is where it looked decidedly Australian, with huge oversized buttons and dials for big Aussie man hands.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Alumminium suspension components.
Aluminium boot and bonnet.
Aluminium brace across firewall for mounting steering pedals etc.
Electric steering
New GM Global A standard wiring loom and bus.
New interior.
Mix of higher strength steels in all of the car, including doors that apparently didn't change.
Improved NVH.
Auto parking.
Lane Assist.
HUD.
Forward collision alert.
Blind spot alert.
Reverse traffic alert.
Upgraded stereo.
Next generation ABS and traction control.
Lower drag coefficient across car by new panels and by fitting of wind deflectors on underbody.
New glass.
60% of chassis modified to reduce weight and new higher strength steels introduced.
My Linq infotainment with traffic alert.
Remote Starting.

That's what I can think of, of the top of my head. Yeap they barely touched the old girl.

Never said they never touched her.

Fact is, the VF is not the next generation; it is the same gen as the VE. They call subsequent models in a generation, a facelift.


I could come up with a similar list (even more so regarding the body) between an ED and EF. They were part of the same generation cycle. XE ghia - XF ghia etc etc.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Never said they never touched her.

Fact is, the VF is not the next generation; it is the same gen as the VE. They call subsequent models in a generation, a facelift.


I could come up with a similar list (even more so regarding the body) between an ED and EF. They were part of the same generation cycle. XE ghia - XF ghia etc etc.

Your original implication was Commodore had a quick chop front and back and nothing inbetween. I think the VE - VF was far more significant.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Your original implication was Commodore had a quick chop front and back and nothing inbetween. I think the VE - VF was far more significant.

Sorry if it came across that way.

Someone said it was a generation ahead of the VE. That's what I was addressing. Technically, it's a facelift as is known historically. Granted, there were many tech updates included.

[Slorta]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Great post overall, but I'm not convinced #1 is true. The main reason why Falcon is getting canned is because it isn't making any money for Ford. If it isn't profitable, then they'd be silly to continue producing it.

I doubt very much Ford will be canning the Falcon, orphan or not, if it were a money maker.

But you just don't throw in the towel without a fight. This is a pretty competitive game and the ones that fight the hardest win. But in our case, Ford Australia just dropped the pants, bent over and said "Be Gentle with me".

[Blueford260]

Thought this was a last ever Falcon thread!
The last page has been about defending the VF

[xr8territory]

Originally Posted by Blueford260

Thought this was a last ever Falcon thread!
The last page has been about defending the VF

Just relax, they will start talking about the new Falcon in a couple of days!

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Rodge

I think you can taken that as a given, Ford not wanting Falcon in the line-up because they're losing money with it and the fact they can actually make money selling us American made cars adds further imputes to the change. It won't last till October 2016, I'd bet my left one on it going well before that.

For your sake I hope the right one can take up the slack should you be wrong,

[Dr Smith]

Has anyone considered that Ford Australia knows no matter what they do even with the worlds greatest marketing campaign they cannot build and sell 5000 Falcons a month to Australians only and cannot export more overseas when anyone overseas does it cheaper. The top selling vehicle in Australia doesn't get 5000 sales or even 4000 per month regularly and what does sell the most isn't a large family sedan. They have faced reality a long time ago, they haven't sabotaged anything, maybe we should finally accept it, heck my first car as a passenger was when I was 4 days old and came home from hospital in a Falcon back in 1965 so I love the model to death but sadly that is how it's going to end. Hell, we need some new Falcon shots quickly.

[CyberWasp]

Someone start a last Commodore thread.

[4vxc]

please no more Holden talk, you could go to the holden forums if that what interests you

[Cashie]

Originally Posted by stazza

Why don't all you Holden loving queers just go buy Holdens already FFS.

Some of us have.. and will probably also buy a new FH too (something 95% of members on here won't do)..
I just love a car for what it is, not because of the badge that's stuck on it. Pretty proud of any Aussie built car (except maybe that Cruze thing).

[ltd]

Holden pride - really? Why is it Holden fans can't de-badge their cars fast enough?
At least us Ford boys don't rush out to buy another brands' badges to put on our cars.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Ok simmer down everyone

Back to the new Falcon.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

Ok simmer down everyone

Back to the new Falcon.

YES PLEASE .......... The C word has nothing to do with the new Falcon unless it is in a fleeting comparison but even then, most don't care as it has nothing really to do with the topic.

Its the Falcon's turn for some spot light and if it cannot be given on a FORD Forum in some form of positive manner, well then we really know its truly ******! Even if those with just an ounce of blue find things ugly etc, there are other sites that would gladly take your objections and praise for the other mob.

Let those who want to celebrate the last Falcon do so ..... constant bickering or denigrating is getting really really tiring.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by auslandau

yes please .......... The c word has nothing to do with the new falcon unless it is in a fleeting comparison but even then, most don't care as it has nothing really to do with the topic.

its the falcon's turn for some spot light and if it cannot be given on a ford forum in some form of positive manner, well then we really know its truly ******! Even if those with just an ounce of blue find things ugly etc, there are other sites that would gladly take your objections and praise for the other mob.

Let those who want to celebrate the last falcon do so ..... Constant bickering or denigrating is getting really really tiring.

amen!!!!!!!

[marty351]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Take a look at a late model 80's Granada or Cortina. Yeap it looked ever bit the Euro car - just super sized. The interior of the XD is where it looked decidedly Australian, with huge oversized buttons and dials for big Aussie man hands.

I was watching a british show a while ago and I thought I saw a XD driving along. Looked good and hard- it was a granada. Yep, some design copying/sharing going on there.

[Blem]

I so wanted paddle shifts.
Anyone got more info on this updated turbo/V8 trans ?