Covid 19 -

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Well done Victoria, that's 6 days in a row of 0 cases as of today (05/11/2020). 13,479 tests conducted since yesterday.

NSW is to open the border to VIC at 12:01am on Monday 23 November. I think Daniel Andrews should maybe shut the border to NSW at 11:59 on Sunday 22 November. A couple of minutes before Berejiklian opens the border.

Last thing VIC needs is people from the COVID state of NSW coming to VIC and undoing all our hard work!

Don't worry about NSW as I think QLD is the one to watch with their active case numbers.
Annastacia Palaszczuk is actually doing us big favour by keeping the border closed to stop us getting infected from Queenslanders.
The shoe is on the other foot!

[Citroënbender]

I’m feeling a bit challenged by the Danish initiative to cull their entire mink population per an initiative to stop reinfection of humans with a mutated coronavirus from the mink. 17 million mammals to be destroyed in short order, apparently the army is part of their methodology.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 5th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

14 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.282% while active cases drop to 1,307. NSW recorded 5, WA 4 and SA 5 cases. Victoria reported no new cases for the last 24 hours for the 6th consecutive day.

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.267% and active cases fall to 68.

The UK had a lower 24,138 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 378 deaths.

Just over 108k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,201 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.462% and active cases rise to 33.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 3.2M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 49M with the last 1M only taking a single day;
Global cases set a new record high of 599,416;
Europe passes 11M cases;
South America passes 300k deaths;
North America sets a new daily high with 126,139 cases;
Europe sets a new daily high with 310,717 cases - the first day over 300k;
The USA completes 153M, India 114M, Russia 63M, the UK 35M and Germany 23M tests.

Latvia (367);
Albania (421);
North Macedonia (1,275);
Azerbaijan (1,364);
Lebanon (2,089);
Georgia (2,401);
Greece (2,915);
Croatia (2,848);
Austria (7,416);
Romania (9,714) - 12% above the high yesterday;
Ukraine (9,850);
Switzerland (10,128);
Germany (21,257);
Poland (27,413);
Italy (34,505); and
France (58,046)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[PhilT2]

Clive Palmer has lost his case against the WA govt in the high court.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/vi.../2020/180.html
Mr Palmer has been ordered to pay costs.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by russellw

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 5th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

14 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.282% while active cases drop to 1,307. NSW recorded 5, WA 4 and SA 5 cases. Victoria reported no new cases for the last 24 hours for the 6th consecutive day.

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.267% and active cases fall to 68.

The UK had a lower 24,138 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 378 deaths.

Just over 108k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,201 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.462% and active cases rise to 33.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 3.2M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 49M with the last 1M only taking a single day;
Global cases set a new record high of 599,416;
Europe passes 11M cases;
South America passes 300k deaths;
North America sets a new daily high with 126,139 cases;
Europe sets a new daily high with 310,717 cases - the first day over 300k;
The USA completes 153M, India 114M, Russia 63M, the UK 35M and Germany 23M tests.

Latvia (367);
Albania (421);
North Macedonia (1,275);
Azerbaijan (1,364);
Lebanon (2,089);
Georgia (2,401);
Greece (2,915);
Croatia (2,848);
Austria (7,416);
Romania (9,714) - 12% above the high yesterday;
Ukraine (9,850);
Switzerland (10,128);
Germany (21,257);
Poland (27,413);
Italy (34,505); and
France (58,046)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

John Hopkins uni reporting that France records 129,761 cases on the 5th of November.......Europe is making the US look like a picnic. Italy 30k, Spain 25k, UK 25k, Poland 24k, Germany 31k, and plenty of other countries still to come.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/cumulative-cases

[roddy1960]

On our local Channel 7 Tasmania News tonight it was quite amazing to see them covering flights of NSW people able to arrive and re unite with family and friends for the first time since March here in Tassie ...Showed some meeting grandkids for the first time .. That's the real human side of what this rotten virus has done to so many of us .

Awesome to those in Victoria despite some regrettable mistakes made from the second outbreak and hardships endured to see it under real control again .Hardship and mistakes or not they have done a great job getting zero cases in almost a week ..Impressive...

When you see the massive threats facing Europe , the USA and other places as we speak , lets learn a lot of lessons from that and not see us as a nation go through the same nightmare in later months..

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Clive Palmer has lost his case against the WA govt in the high court.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/vi.../2020/180.html
Mr Palmer has been ordered to pay costs.

VIC high court case dismissed too.

It would have been more useful for these to be brought up weeks or months ago.

You would think even a half competent government would have an AG that knows they were on pretty firm if not solid ground.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 6th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

11 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.281% while active cases rise to 1,310. NSW recorded 9, WA, SA & NT 1 case each. Victoria reported no new cases for the last 24 hours for the 7th consecutive day.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.266% and active cases fall to 44.

The UK had a lower 23,287 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 355 deaths.

Just under 125k new cases in the USA yesterday (a new record) and 1,153 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.428% and active cases rise to 33.7% with the raw numbers rising and now over 3.3M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases set a new record high of 617,383 (5/11);
The USA passes 10M cases;
North America sets a new daily high with 139,776 cases;
Europe sets a new daily high with 317,895 cases (5/11);
The USA completes 154M, India 115M, France 17M, Australia 9M, Jordan 2M and Qatar 1M tests.

Albania (489);
Belarus (991);
Denmark (1,427);
Azerbaijan (1,465);
Lithuania (1,656) - 65% above the previous high;
Malaysia (1,755) - 42% above the previous high;
Lebanon (2,142);
Georgia (2,775);
Croatia (2,890);
Canada (4,471);
Sweden (4,497) on 5/11;
Hungary (4,709);
Romania (10,260)
Russia (20,582);
Germany (22,246);
Italy (37,809);
France (60,486); and
USA (124,728)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Gee I love doughnuts

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Gee I love doughnuts

new cases and deaths. Eighth consecutive day.

That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 days in a row with no cases, or deaths.


Well done VIC.

[Tickford.]

Any news on when VIC will accept returning travellers from hot zones, to go into hotel quarantine? When that happens, I'd expect the numbers to rise.

I think VIC has now joined the NZ travel bubble, where incoming NZ's don't have to quarantine for 14 days when entering VIC(??)

[russellw]

Some random data:

Only 1 European country hasn't reached a new case high in the last 30 days and that is Ireland which recorded it's high 210 days ago.

Asia has several with more than 100 days since the highest daily total but Singapore (200) and Turkey (209) have had the longest gap.

Africa has none over 200 days with Egypt and the Ivory Coast (both 140 days) the longest.

Neither North or South America have any over 200 either although Ecuador (196) is close and Chile (145) is the next best.

By comparison, Australia is 115 days since the daily peak of 723 in July.

[T3rminator]

The US election has taken all the attention away from this thread

Has anyone read the interim Coate report? Anything interesting? Was it all Dan's fault?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The US election has taken all the attention away from this thread

With Victoria coming out of lockdown and sleepy Joe at the wheel of the US.
SBS won't have anything to report on or complaint about next month.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

With Victoria coming out of lockdown and sleepy Joe at the wheel of the US.
SBS won't have anything to report on or complaint about next month.

they will be back to read a indie movie marathons

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The US election has taken all the attention away from this thread

Has anyone read the interim Coate report? Anything interesting? Was it all Dan's fault?

just wait for the
is Dan is good adds

https://youtu.be/lbHFOyZpGjs
oops

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by wodahs

they will be back to read a indie movie marathons

Little Ms Thurberg will go back to the top of the news this summer no doubt or ask the serious question of why men can not fall pregnant.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The US election has taken all the attention away from this thread

Has anyone read the interim Coate report? Anything interesting? Was it all Dan's fault?

Nothing much to discuss as the experts here have it all covered.
Cheers.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by russellw

Some random data:
Only 1 European country hasn't reached a new case high in the last 30 days and that is Ireland which recorded it's high 210 days ago.

Interesting you pointed out Ireland. I heard on radio that that they have been in touch with Prof Sutton to gain some learnings from Vic's strategy.

Melbourne success is inspiring Ireland: COVID-19
https://www.miragenews.com/melbourne...land-covid-19/

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The US election has taken all the attention away from this thread

Has anyone read the interim Coate report? Anything interesting? Was it all Dan's fault?

Nothing on who made any decisions yet, that is being released on the not at all political hide it under the carpet date of 21st of December.

Nearly 70 recommendations yet somehow not one mention of using defence force personnel for quarantine.........

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Interesting you pointed out Ireland. I heard on radio that that they have been in touch with Prof Sutton to gain some learnings from Vic's strategy.

Melbourne success is inspiring Ireland: COVID-19
https://www.miragenews.com/melbourne...land-covid-19/

Start with an incompetent state bureaucracy, add a dash non-accountability, then stand idly by and watch 850 people die, lock the populations in their homes and nuke the economy for the next couple of decades?

The big question is - has VIC learned from this? Has it upgraded its trace and track to be at least somewhere near NSW/QLD standards? Any idiot can kill a virus by freezing the state solid.

Dial 1800-NSW if you want to know how to get stuff done...

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Start with an incompetent state bureaucracy, add a dash non-accountability, then stand idly by and watch 850 people die, lock the populations in their homes and nuke the economy for the next couple of decades?

The big question is - has VIC learned from this? Has it upgraded its trace and track to be at least somewhere near NSW/QLD standards? Any idiot can kill a virus by freezing the state solid.

Dial 1800-NSW if you want to know how to get stuff done...

and the sad part even with you taking this view its going to be much better than the situation they currently see them selfs in

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Any news on when VIC will accept returning travellers from hot zones, to go into hotel quarantine? When that happens, I'd expect the numbers to rise.

I think VIC has now joined the NZ travel bubble, where incoming NZ's don't have to quarantine for 14 days when entering VIC(??)

I think if they are going to start accepting overseas travelers, instead of putting them in hotels in the centre of Australia's 2nd largest capital city they need to send them to Puckapunyal or Bandiana - just a thought

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Start with an incompetent state bureaucracy, add a dash non-accountability, then stand idly by and watch 850 people die, lock the populations in their homes and nuke the economy for the next couple of decades?

The big question is - has VIC learned from this? Has it upgraded its trace and track to be at least somewhere near NSW/QLD standards? Any idiot can kill a virus by freezing the state solid.

Dial 1800-NSW if you want to know how to get stuff done...

have you actually looked at the difference between the 2 States track and trace systems, or are you just believing ScoMo & Co and SkyNews

Riddle me this (BTW I know the answer) - why does ScoMo and Co heap so much praise on NSW but fail to acknowledge the great work of Tassie and S.A (both Liberal led States) who have done a far better job than NSW and Victoria - why haven't ScoMo & Co heaped praise on the Labor led States and Territories who have done a better job than Vic and NSW? (the answer to that is obvious) - why are they constantly praising NSW (there is a deeper answer here)

Get your head out from under the blanket

[FairmontGS]

Trev! You're back! We're you on holidays?

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

have you actually looked at the difference between the 2 States track and trace systems, or are you just believing ScoMo & Co and SkyNews

I could say DYOR, but that phase of our lives has passed now

I did post an AFR graphic a few weeks back detailing the last 20 or so years difference between VIC and NSW on public health spend per head of population and NSW was double VIC. The effect was to slowly centralise control as the funding cuts bit.

Where did Victoria go so wrong with contact tracing and have they fixed it?

"Fundamentally, NSW’s system of decentralised local area health districts meant when the second wave hit, that state was able to draw on teams embedded in their local communities to manage contact tracing. These teams worked independently but also in concert under the mothership of NSW Health.

In Victoria, a legacy of cuts left the Department of Health and Human Services under-resourced and highly centralised, meaning there was a smaller base upon which to build the surge contact tracing capacity (with some contact tracers coming from interstate)."

https://theconversation.com/where-di...ixed-it-147993

And it's fact that Victoria Health conceded they were hopeless and NSW was leading the way.

Victoria moves to NSW-style contact tracing system

"Chief Scientist Alan Finkel will take Victorian health officials to Sydney to study NSW's "gold standard" contact tracing, as Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton conceded that infection numbers outstripped Victoria's tracing capacity when the second surge took off in July."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...08-p55tk9.html

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Riddle me this (BTW I know the answer) - why does ScoMo and Co heap so much praise on NSW but fail to acknowledge the great work of Tassie and S.A (both Liberal led States) who have done a far better job than NSW and Victoria - why haven't ScoMo & Co heaped praise on the Labor led States and Territories who have done a better job than Vic and NSW? (the answer to that is obvious) - why are they constantly praising NSW (there is a deeper answer here)

Not sure about your preoccupation with what the Federal government thinks, but, to help you out, I'd say that they're looking at Australia as a whole and the hit to the nation socially and economically of a non-functioning Victoria.

Then there's the 850 dead. I don't reckon ScoMo/Josh/Hunt get many smiles out of that each night. Do you?

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Get your head out from under the blanket

Crikey! Haven't you been reading up on CV19 and bedding? Wash and often

https://www.webmd.com/lung/qa/can-co...ses-and-sheets

[Tickford.]

9th consecutive day in VIC of double No cases. No deaths!!

Huge number of restriction easing just being announced by our next PM!

From 11:59pm tonight:

• The border around regional Victoria border, the "ring of steel" will be removed. Metro and Reginal VIC as one.
  
• Overnight accommodation will be open with some restrictions: one single household plus two other adults from other households and their children.
  
• Venues will increase to 40 people inside and 70 outside
  
• Faith gatherings will increase to 50 outdoors and 20 inside
  
• Funerals, up to 20 indoors and 50 outdoors.
  
• Care facility visits, one household per day or two hours
  
• Time limits on partners visiting maternity wards will go, but individual wards may have their own rules in place
  
• Gyms and physical recreation will be allowed 20 per venue, 10 per space.
  
• Indoor noncontact sport for under18s, a limit of 20.
  
• Indoor pools will allow 20 people.
  
• Indoor skate parks, indoor trampoline centres, libraries, toy libraries and community venues, play centres and galleries, cinemas, museums, all 20 per venue all 20 per space, depending on the sector.
  
• Gaming machines, 10 people per venue.
  
• The casino will be able to have 10 people per room with a maximum of 10 separate rooms being used, for electronic gaming machines and tables.

And more...

[Tickford.]

List of other restrictions that will be eased from November 22:

• Private gatherings will be 10 visitors to your home
  
• Public gatherings will be 50 people, hospitality venues, the indoor go to 100 with the density of one-per four square metres and the outdoor go to 200 with a density requirement of one person per two square metres,
  
• Gyms will go to 100 people in groups of 20,
  
• Indoor sport 100 people in groups of 20.
  
• Large sporting venues, 25 per cent of their overall capacity.
  
• Outdoor physical recreation, 500 people, groups of 50.
  
• Indoor pools, 50 people.
  
• Accommodation, a cap of 10 from any number of families will apply to those hotel motel places we may go and stay.
  
• In terms of faith, indoors, 100 and they will be grouped in 20s and outdoors, 500 people, grouped in 50s.
  
• Weddings will go to 100 but only still 10 people in a private residence if the wedding is held at a private home.
  
• Funerals, 100 people, again 10 people if the service was held privately.
  
• Cinemas and theatres will go to 100, grouped in 20s, one person per density of four square metres.
  
• The same applies for libraries, and other community venues, 100 people overall in groups of 20 people.
  
• Gaming machines, one person per four square metres
  
• Care facilities will allow visits of five people from two households, no time limits, children will be allowed and excursions will also be allowed where people were leaving a care facility.
  
• For beauty industry, masks can be removed for facials
• Real estate, indoors, 20 with a density of one person per four square metres. Outdoors auctions will have 50 people.

#DanForPM

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I think if they are going to start accepting overseas travelers, instead of putting them in hotels in the centre of Australia's 2nd largest capital city they need to send them to Puckapunyal or Bandiana - just a thought

What's wrong with Nauru?
SCoMo is spending Millions keeping It open for 1 Tamil Family!!! that(In MY opinion) shouldn't be there..

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT November 7th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

7 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.280% while active cases drop to 1,305. NSW recorded 5 and SA recorded 2 cases. Victoria reported no new cases for the last 24 hours for the 8th consecutive day.

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.265% and active cases fall to 43.

The UK had a higher 24,957 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 413 deaths.

Just over 132k new cases in the USA yesterday (a new record) and 1,244 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.408% and active cases rise to 34.1% with the raw numbers rising and now over 3.4M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass the 50M mark with the last 1M in 2 days;
Global deaths pass the 1.25M mark with the last 50k in 7 days;
Global cases set a new record high of 623,277 (6/11);
Global deaths set a new record high of 9,201 (6/11);
North America passes 12M cases;
North America sets a new daily high with 146,616 cases;
The USA completes 156M, India 116M, Russia 64M, Italy 17M and Philippines 5M tests.

Latvia (404);
Albania (495) - for the 5th consecutive day;
Belarus (997);
Moldova (1,174);
North Macedonia (1,283);
Lithuania (1,972) - 19% above the high yesterday;
Armenia (2,476);
Serbia (2,677);
Georgia (2,859) - for the 5th consecutive day;
Hungary (5,318);
Morocco (5,836);
Austria (8,241);
Iran (9,450);
Ukraine (10,746);
Poland (27,875);
Italy (39,811);
France (86,852) but some will be redistributed as they were missed; and
USA (132,540)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[Trevor 57]

Or Christmas Island, like the first lot out of China.

The Feds tried to shirk their responsibilities onto the States, like aged care