FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[Nikked]

The 4l is limited by its physical size...its long and tall...you could through as much money as you like at it, but it's time was always going to be up.

[FGX-302]

Limited in what way?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

Limited in what way?

I think Nikked mentioned how

Originally Posted by Nikked

The 4l is limited by its physical size...its long and tall...you could through as much money as you like at it, but it's time was always going to be up.

[turbo4]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

Limited in what way?

I'd say limited by the fact that Ford HQ likes their engines put in the wrong way around.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

I totally agree.
When I saw how they’d attached the badge to the 380 I thought no way am I buying that.
Or was it when I saw what they’d attached to the badge I thought I’m not buying that.
It was one or the other, I can’t remember which.

The name was horrific... 380 what were they thinking? Lead designer was an avid airbus fan? And the car? Aussies seem to be smart and don't buy secondhand recycled American market junk released as a new model. Just look how the 1992 USDM Toyota Avalon recycled as a 2000 model local performed back when large sedans were still a mainstay in our market.

[FGX-302]

Considering the fuel economy n performance out of the Ecolpi and the power and torque extracted from the 310 turbo I can't see it's limits. It's physical size fits nicely into a falcon which it's designed for and offers a much better alternative to a V8 than ford America have ever had. Bearing in mind that had the falcon still been raging along the FGX I6 would have been tweaked in all areas like models before. I reckon had the falcon survived so would the I6. In top spec 450rwkws can be had on stock internals quite comfortably. Our I6 has raised some eyebrows around the world from time to time. The American public want our Turbo6 and our falcon have done for years. Proof of this u go on Facebook to ford racing America page n check out the release pics n comments for the FGX XR 90% of them love it most say they would buy one some even beg. Yet u go to our Aussies sites n there's more people bagging em out then not, saying it looks like a lancer or jag or whatever other rubbish they come up with. Most of these are keyboard warriors n probs don't have the cash to buy one anyway but still it's just the negative way australia reacts to all it's homegrown vehicles commodore included that ***** me. I won't ever understand why we wernt prepared to fight for our car industry. Its very UNAUSTRALIAN to give up that easy. The govenment is the major reason for the demise, there are other factors but the government ultimately can wear it far as I'm concerned. Bit of a novel but it's something I'm passionate about always will be lol

[FGX-302]

Yeah I no what u mean turbo4 that's where they need to listen to their people that want the falcon n like I said swallow their pride. Unfortunately unless the FGX goes back to the glory days it's all too late. EF/EL type days would be nice ;-)

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

Considering the fuel economy n performance out of the Ecolpi and the power and torque extracted from the 310 turbo I can't see it's limits. It's physical size fits nicely into a falcon which it's designed for and offers a much better alternative to a V8 than ford America have ever had. Bearing in mind that had the falcon still been raging along the FGX I6 would have been tweaked in all areas like models before. I reckon had the falcon survived so would the I6. In top spec 450rwkws can be had on stock internals quite comfortably. Our I6 has raised some eyebrows around the world from time to time. The American public want our Turbo6 and our falcon have done for years. Proof of this u go on Facebook to ford racing America page n check out the release pics n comments for the FGX XR 90% of them love it most say they would buy one some even beg. Yet u go to our Aussies sites n there's more people bagging em out then not, saying it looks like a lancer or jag or whatever other rubbish they come up with. Most of these are keyboard warriors n probs don't have the cash to buy one anyway but still it's just the negative way australia reacts to all it's homegrown vehicles commodore included that ***** me. I won't ever understand why we wernt prepared to fight for our car industry. Its very UNAUSTRALIAN to give up that easy. The govenment is the major reason for the demise, there are other factors but the government ultimately can wear it far as I'm concerned. Bit of a novel but it's something I'm passionate about always will be lol

The Turbo Six is a great engine or I should say was.

It’s time was due, it takes a lot of R&D money to upgrade engines for the newer Euro emissions and spending money on a product that is also physically too big to meet the global needs of smaller engine bays never gave it a chance.

Many good engines have fallen by the wayside over the years, the AMG 6.2 is a recent good example.
It was an engine that had global release and won many international awards and yet it wasn’t worth the R&D to meet the new emission requirements compared to designing a new smaller turbo product.

The i6T is now a “rest in peace” along with many of the other great engines of history and it will be replaced by something more efficient and possibly producing more power. That seems to be the way it eventually works.

When the old folk die off and stop talking of the big blocks of the 60’s & 70’s, the new old folk replacing them will be talking of the turbos of the turn of the century, the i6T will definitely be one that the Aussies will reminisce about.

As you get older you’ll notice time moves on and so does everything with it.

[FGX-302]

If the falcon remained I could not see the engine bay getting smaller it has had too accommodate a V8 for decades. I'm happy to see the turbo6 be buried with the falcon though don't want either to go. Your point about smaller engines with more power. Assuming we are talking bout ford the mustang replacement on its way has a turbo4 no where near I6T power/torque figures barely more than the N/A I6 which would have a lot more if it wasn't for P plate laws being introduced. I will be very suprised if the top shelf (to Aus) N/A coyote V8 mustang with less power/torque can even go toe to toe with an FG F6 that was released in 08. Americans want the FGX bad. It's only Australians turning their back on the locals. An example of why is how many more people would own a V8 if the rego was $500 a year. How many bought a 4 over a 6 due to rego. Rego alone is killing off the V8 n too a lesser extent the 6. Also our imports are tax free to bring in and built with cheaper labour yet our top shelf falcon gets slammed with a ridiculous luxury car tax. BMW, MERC ect may be considered luxury HOLDEN and FORD wake up aust government. Pathetic attempt by K Rudd to recover his govs reckless spending. The next one in, the ranga would screw more sales with fringe benefits taxes effectively nearly stopping fleet sales of both commodore and falcon.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

Considering the fuel economy n performance out of the Ecolpi and the power and torque extracted from the 310 turbo I can't see it's limits. It's physical size fits nicely into a falcon which it's designed for and offers a much better alternative to a V8 than ford America have ever had.

That's your problem right there...


the 4l couldn't be adapted to other vehicles, and its not just a case of fitting in something like a falcon...pedestrian safety laws are becoming harsher, and the 4L limits the way the front of a car is built around the engine.


Being a great engine doesn't save it from other short comings...

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

If the falcon remained I could not see the engine bay getting smaller it has had too accommodate a V8 for decades.

V8 is a lot shorter than the inline six, so the front of the car has to have that massive front overhang, with a family v6 falcon could have shaved a significant amount of length and weight from forward of the front axle line, which has massive handling advantages, not to mention looks better.

Assuming we are talking bout ford the mustang replacement on its way has a turbo4 no where near I6T power/torque figures barely more than the N/A I6 which would have a lot more if it wasn't for P plate laws being introduced.

P plate laws are irrelevant to i6 power levels.

I will be very suprised if the top shelf (to Aus) N/A coyote V8 mustang with less power/torque can even go toe to toe with an FG F6 that was released in 08.

Not a lot of cars can honestly go toe to toe with an f6, they're a freak which is unique in the automotive world.

Americans want the FGX bad.

A few people on Facebook is hardly a good business case. Would those same people still buy one when it would be the best part of 60k American?
When a base v8 mustang is less than half that?

It's only Australians turning their back on the locals. An example of why is how many more people would own a V8 if the rego was $500 a year. How many bought a 4 over a 6 due to rego. Rego alone is killing off the V8 n too a lesser extent the 6.

Only in the states where rego is based on cylinder count, and I don't think there's any significant difference in sales between the states that charge rego based on cylinders, and those who base it on weight.
And how do you explain holden selling so many v8s?

Also our imports are tax free to bring in and built with cheaper labour yet our top shelf falcon gets slammed with a ridiculous luxury car tax. BMW, MERC ect may be considered luxury HOLDEN and FORD wake up aust government. Pathetic attempt by K Rudd to recover his govs reckless spending. The next one in, the ranga would screw more sales with fringe benefits taxes effectively nearly stopping fleet sales of both commodore and falcon.

Imports aren't quite tax free, and as for pay rates, would you work for ford or Holden assembling cars for $4.50 an hour to keep production here?

Didn't think so...

[FGX-302]

My point about the govenment who creates these laws? As far as pedestrian safety goes I believe all landcruisers patrols and F trucks old and new pose a much bigger risk. Not that I have a problem with those vehicles just saying. Also a bad driver will crash the safest of cars there's a bigger picture with car safety. Cars go off driver input. If the standard of drivers was much higher in general would we need all this crap on our cars. Basic safety yes (seatbelts/airbags). A competent driver does not need driving aids such as traction control stability control lane keeping blind assist ect. These features are turned off soon as they get in for spirited driving. My original statement was about the I6 yes but to me it's more about losing the falcon and commodore. Heritage motorsport rivalry. Long serving aust icons..Aust jobs. It's more than just an engine.

[FGX-302]

Are u aware of how much the American version of the ss sold for? No where near 60k US

[FGX-302]

The 5.0 is marginally shorter. A shorter front end looking better is your personal opinion. Commodores are selling because they have a new model they advertise well and are offering great deals longer warranty with lots of cheap servicing and good finance packages. Why is the VF or for that matter every commodore since VN not been noticeably shorter than the falcon theve never run a staight engine since the RB30 VL?

[FGX-302]

If u believe 195kw is all the NA I6 is good for and nothing to do with P Plate laws your call.

[FGX-302]

The problem with imports is not that we need to work for $4 an hour. Compared to other countries we tax next to nothing on imports. While a tax would drive the price up a little but it would be justified by injecting that money into our local industry bringing our prices down one way or another. If some companies did not like it than they would be free to leave we could do with losing a few import variants or more than a few!!

[FGX-302]

It's not surprising about your rego statement as falcon and commodore are large cars with heavy engines compared to small cars with small engines. Large car large engine 6 or 8 weighs a lot more. Small car small engine has 4 cyl. Regardless off cyl count or weight all australian states are too dear.

[naddis01]

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

The 5.0 is marginally shorter. A shorter front end looking better is your personal opinion. Commodores are selling because they have a new model they advertise well and are offering great deals longer warranty with lots of cheap servicing and good finance packages. Why is the VF or for that matter every commodore since VN not been noticeably shorter than the falcon theve never run a staight engine since the RB30 VL?

Because the basic platform of the VN-VT remained the same...

[FGX-302]

Your point was a falcon could have a shorter nose look and handle better with a V6. Whether the VN-VT platform was the same why wasn't it shorter from then? They have never nor had intentions of putting a I6 in the Holden since VL so why in 2014 the VF still isn't majorly shorter? The V8 yes is a Marginally shorter engine but requires more room for cooling/lubrication ect.

[Iggle Piggle]

Agree naddis01, but you ruined his roll of unbroken posts

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

The problem with imports is not that we need to work for $4 an hour. Compared to other countries we tax next to nothing on imports. While a tax would drive the price up a little but it would be justified by injecting that money into our local industry bringing our prices down one way or another. If some companies did not like it than they would be free to leave we could do with losing a few import variants or more than a few!!

The only problem with imports is that Australians buy them. Australians don't buy Australian made cars.
Australian cars are great value but still don't sell. All the taxes in the world won't change that.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

Your point was a falcon could have a shorter nose look and handle better with a V6. Whether the VN-VT platform was the same why wasn't it shorter from then? They have never nor had intentions of putting a I6 in the Holden since VL so why in 2014 the VF still isn't majorly shorter? The V8 yes is a Marginally shorter engine but requires more room for cooling/lubrication ect.

VN was originally intended with the Nissan engine, the V6 was a late change. A lot of VL was kept under the VN...

[FGX-302]

Yeah so a tax making imports dearer and locals cheaper wouldn't have had an effect on sales and local manufacturing lol righto. Ya make a statement on a pro ford site new falcon forum about basically the only decent engine this countries designed and produced in a long time and have to defend it from opinions that half make no sense. Not all Aussies have your new age opinions which are part reason why both these good cars are out of here in a few years. Over it. Enjoy your imports.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

Your point was a falcon could have a shorter nose look and handle better with a V6.

You seem to forget the VN-VZ were based on a near-identical design in Europe though.

Has nothing to do with what Holden Australia chose and these Opel Omegas (what the VN-VZ was based on) had straight sixes in them too!

[FGX-302]

so now your basically saying a RB30's heaps longer than the V8's? Hence the long nose like the falcon from VN too VF. Hmmmmm whatever u say.

[galaxy xr8]

Hi people , I need help, I’m looking for the thread about the last ever Falcon, I thought it was here somewhere but I can’t seem to find it ?.

[FGX-302]

U seem to forget there's been a VE and VF since still not much difference. This is way off topic lol. Talkin ford vs holden it's a shame holden has never had a decent 6 to have a go at the I6T then we might be able to compare the commi 6 in handling to the long engined falcon lmao :-D

[AndyXR6T]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Hi people , I need help, I’m looking for the thread about the last ever Falcon, I thought it was here somewhere but I can’t seem to find it ?.

Wrong thread mate, this is the "lets talk about commodores some more" thread

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Mytchal86

U seem to forget there's been a VE and VF since still not much difference. This is way off topic lol. Talkin ford vs holden it's a shame holden has never had a decent 6 to have a go at the I6T then we might be able to compare the commi 6 in handling to the long engined falcon lmao :-D

VE was a clean sheet design, basically shares nothing with the other commodores. Engine location was shifted behind the front wheels and front overhang shortened.