Covid 19 -

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

I have never heard of anything like this over here in the US

well maybe at a hospital or summat but you'd be signing in there anyway if you were a patient anyway.

Signing in at a store?

What is the point of that level of tracing?

We had a thing last February right near me , a pharma company function that according to the news may have spawned 300,000 cases , it took them 10 months to tell us so of what use was all that tracing when you would feel sick a few days after infection?

If you give up that power to trace your movements to a government they will never give it back . No government can be trusted with that.

This is a good insight into America's woes, thanks.

The local governments can barely sort out car rego correctly.

AFAIK a business owner can do what they like, serve who they like if its all within the law.

If it was my own business, and I felt the need to make sure sign in/QR is mandatory then so be it, I am protecting my staff and potentially helping tracing in the event of an outbreak.

I dont actually put my real mobile number in if manually signing in, if poo hits the fan then I am fairly confident ol'Govco will find people easy enough.

[PhilT2]

We all willingly carry a tracking device with us which allows the govt to find us anytime they want. It also keeps a record of where we have been. If you think signing into a store is going to give the govt information they don't already have then you are living in the last century.

[wodahs]

yer min wage is to wrestle some one to the ground ! good way to hype it up
donno bout your back water maccas store but for a small nation we generally have quite a few workers at our stores usually consiting of a few managers , and their first responce to an issue is to refuse service and ask to leave then call the cops , not wrestle to the ground

disclaimer i for one dont like giving any info i dont need to even to the cops

the gov has been advertising they are asking this to happen so not expecting it when entering a store is unlikely , so like me dont go to them , thete are other optionso
yes it can hurt the store , which isnt your problem when asked to fill out the book or leave

[russellw]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

We all willingly carry a tracking device with us which allows the govt to find us anytime they want. It also keeps a record of where we have been. If you think signing into a store is going to give the govt information they don't already have then you are living in the last century a state of delusion.

Amended for accuracy.

[FairmontGS]

We are travelling back from a family gathering @ Nagambie in central Victoria - it was a party town. No masks, QR codes/sign-ins at venues but no really enforced, hand sanitiser bottles often empty, huge BBQs at the holiday park and some sort of market/party in the centre of town.

As soon as we crossed the Murray into Tocumwal things were strictly enforced again with each pub having a COVID Marshall, appropriate distancing and sign-ins enforced. More masks as well.

Happy to be back over the right side of the border.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

We are travelling back from a family gathering @ Nagambie in central Victoria - it was a party town. No masks, QR codes/sign-ins at venues but no really enforced, hand sanitiser bottles often empty, huge BBQs at the holiday park and some sort of market/party in the centre of town.

As soon as we crossed the Murray into Tocumwal things were strictly enforced again with each pub having a COVID Marshall, appropriate distancing and sign-ins enforced. More masks as well.

Happy to be back over the right side of the border.

Nothing enforced in QLD. I was at the convention centre on Saturday. I was asked if I had a ticket. "Yes". OK off you go.

I think you will find compliance is variable.

[mostly_broncos]

Originally Posted by wodahs

yer min wage is to wrestle some one to the ground ! good way to hype it up
donno bout your back water maccas store but for a small nation we generally have quite a few workers at our stores usually consiting of a few managers , and their first responce to an issue is to refuse service and ask to leave then call the cops , not wrestle to the ground

disclaimer i for one dont like giving any info i dont need to even to the cops

the gov has been advertising they are asking this to happen so not expecting it when entering a store is unlikely , so like me dont go to them , thete are other optionso
yes it can hurt the store , which isnt your problem when asked to fill out the book or leave

Ya like our cops come if you call them

Anyway , the manager of every store would be calling at least 5 times a day.

We have angry covid warriors on both sides. The never maskers who go into stores unmasked looking to start drama and film it on the phone, and the karens that scold random strangers .

The scolds are usually women. I was in a walmart the other day asking the electronics dude if they had any wifi signal boosters , the kind that plug into an outlet to extend the router signal to the other end of your house.

Some chick literally runs over to us and points at an old man you has a mask but his nose is out. "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT!!!!' she wants the old man arrested or something for daring to have the tip of his nose out.

I pulled my mask down and wheezed at her and laughed . The worker looked at me like oh jesus here we go again

It happens all the time !

The same store I'm walking up to the door a different day , pulling my mask on and this woman walking out pulls hers off and looks at me and says "I HATE THESE F##King masks! " I'm like do I know you?

I wasn't interacting with her , maybe she thought she recognized me or whatever. Why tell me your problem lady?

Whatever minimal level of politeness we had is down around 0.0 now.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT December 14th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

9 new cases for Australia and 0 deaths so the CMR drops to 3.238%. NSW recorded 3 cases, Victoria, Queensland, SA, WA and the NT recorded 1 each.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.193% and active cases remain at 56.

The UK had a higher 20,263 cases yesterday and -118 deaths after making (another) adjustment..

Just under 195k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,403 deaths sees CMR drop to 1.838% and active cases rise to 40.1% with the raw numbers rising and now over 6.7M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 73M with the last 1M taking 2 days;
South America passes 12M cases;
The USA completes 222M, India 154M, Russia 83M, UK 48M, Ukraine 5M and Hungary 2M tests.

Only Syria (136); and
Canada (8,119)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

I have never heard of anything like this over here in the US

well maybe at a hospital or summat but you'd be signing in there anyway if you were a patient anyway.

Signing in at a store?

What is the point of that level of tracing?

We had a thing last February right near me , a pharma company function that according to the news may have spawned 300,000 cases , it took them 10 months to tell us so of what use was all that tracing when you would feel sick a few days after infection?

If you give up that power to trace your movements to a government they will never give it back . No government can be trusted with that.

It’s exactly that level of contact tracing and swift action that lifted SA out of even harsher prolonged lockdown. Quickly knowing where cases have been before it spreads is the reason SA will be able to visit family this Christmas.
God help the US,Biden will have to do something drastic to undo the damage the Cheeto in chief has wrought on the corona virus front.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Just wear one in side until you’re told not to.

More like don't wear one unless someone in the store says they require it. If they do, that's fine.

Stores should have a sign on the front door if they require you to wear a mask. JB Hi-fi did, so you put one on to go in. Other similar size stores have nothing, so just assume they don't require one unless you are asked. Jeez it can't be that difficult can it?

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

They have no authority to enforce anything.

I was more referring to the 'NO MASK NO ENTRY' signs at the door of small retailers. Not the enforcing of contact tracing. If the government says you don't have to wear a mask at these types of small retailers, can the shop owner overrule the government?

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Sure, you can sign in with a fake name and number, but they can't check that.

I don't, and will not do that. I really can't understand the point of writing down a fake name and number. All you are doing there is wasting contact tracings time and resources, if it ever comes to it. Writing down fake name and number is much worse than not writing anything down at all!

I will not write my name and phone number on a paper where potentially hundreds of people can see. GAGF'd. I'm happy to use QR code as there's no visible private details that are displayed for all to see.

On a side note, not that I really care too much about this, but as for government knowing exactly where you are/where you've been, as I understand it, if you have your location turned off on a Android based phone (never had, and never will own a fruit phone), the only location data traceable is of the nearest phone tower to your phone. They cannot pinpoint exactly where you are, or where you've been. For example, there's no data that can trace you've been to 123 Smith Street, Smithsville. All they can trace is you are, or were, in Smithsville. If location was on, then they can trace that you've been to 123 Smith Street, Smithsville. Is that not the case?

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

I was more referring to the 'NO MASK NO ENTRY' signs at the door of small retailers. Not the enforcing of contact tracing. If the government says you don't have to wear a mask at these types of small retailers, can the shop owner overrule the government?

I don't, and will not do that. I really can't understand the point of writing down a fake name and number. All you are doing there is wasting contact tracings time and resources, if it ever comes to it. Writing down fake name and number is much worse than not writing anything down at all!

I will not write my name and phone number on a paper where potentially hundreds of people can see. GAGF'd. I'm happy to use QR code as there's no visible private details that are displayed for all to see.

On a side note, not that I really care too much about this, but as for government knowing exactly where you are/where you've been, as I understand it, if you have your location turned off on a Android based phone (never had, and never will own a fruit phone), the only location data traceable is of the nearest phone tower to your phone. They cannot pinpoint exactly where you are, or where you've been. For example, there's no data that can trace you've been to 123 Smith Street, Smithsville. All they can trace is you are, or were, in Smithsville. If location was on, then they can trace that you've been to 123 Smith Street, Smithsville. Is that not the case?

GPS, Bluetooth and WIFI hotspots. Even if you have location data off and you access a wifi hot spot, then your location can be know if someone else with location data turned on has been there before you... as it will upload it's geo location and that hotspot now has a location.

Not sure if that extends to wifi that isn't a hotspot. ie does location services tag your wifi with location data if someone with location data uses it???

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by cs123

GPS, Bluetooth and WIFI hotspots. Even if you have location data off and you access a wifi hot spot, then your location can be know if someone else with location data turned on has been there before you... as it will upload it's geo location and that hotspot now has a location.

GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC all turned off. Battery lasts longer that way.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC all turned off. Battery lasts longer that way.

Must get annoying unwrapping the tin foil every time you want to call someone...

[PhilT2]

The shop owner can within limits, choose who he serves. There would be an issue if he refused service on the grounds you were black, gay, muslim, disabled or female. These are all covered by the Anti-discrimination Act. But kick you out for not wearing a mask, I'm sure he could.

One of the interesting stories on tracing the movement of people is the Skripal poisoning in the uk. Although the Russian agents had long gone, a picture of their movements was built up from airport, railway and shop cctv. Use of credit cards added to the picture. A full history of their every movement was developed. At great expense I presume.

I've had to adjust to the sad reality that the govt really does not give a rat's about me so
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what they know about me.

[Citroënbender]

I mistrust curation of data, as it may be grossly - yet convincingly - misrepresented should you wish to challenge incumbent authority (eg, pursue an elected office or defend a spurious allegation). I’d be less mistrustful if our data laws were bound as for EU members.

To return slightly to core topic, a neighbour’s brother (in the Irish Republic) is right at that seemingly pivotal 10-12th day stage with coronavirus, where it’ll either bite hard or start to mend. Apparently he’s overweight and underfit. Unsurprisingly, poor neighbour’s on edge.

[mostly_broncos]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

The shop owner can within limits, choose who he serves. There would be an issue if he refused service on the grounds you were black, gay, muslim, disabled or female. These are all covered by the Anti-discrimination Act. But kick you out for not wearing a mask, I'm sure he could.

One of the interesting stories on tracing the movement of people is the Skripal poisoning in the uk. Although the Russian agents had long gone, a picture of their movements was built up from airport, railway and shop cctv. Use of credit cards added to the picture. A full history of their every movement was developed. At great expense I presume.

I've had to adjust to the sad reality that the govt really does not give a rat's about me so
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what they know about me.

The Skripal thing is fake news . Practically the plot of a movie . An entire country can just go shoot someone they don't like anytime they want. The theory that they would concoct a sharks with laser beams plot straight out of an Austin Powers movie that then predictably doesn't work is ridiculous

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC all turned off. Battery lasts longer that way.

welcome to the 90s. May as well get a Nokia

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

The Skripal thing is fake news . Practically the plot of a movie . An entire country can just go shoot someone they don't like anytime they want. The theory that they would concoct a sharks with laser beams plot straight out of an Austin Powers movie that then predictably doesn't work is ridiculous

So you definitely believe that govt's don't ever do anything stupid?

[russellw]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

So you definitely believe that govt's don't ever do anything stupid?

I don't think he actually said anything of the sort so don't try to hijack the discussion with your own agenda.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

I see NSW has recorded the state's first locally acquired coronavirus infection since a hotel quarantine worker tested positive at 1.30am on Thursday, December 3.

Mr Hazzard said the man "drives vans carrying international and other aircrew back and forth to the airport" and the company is based in Alexandria, in Sydney's inner city.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...-case/12988866

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT December 15th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

6 new cases for Australia and 0 deaths so the CMR remains 3.238%. NSW recorded 5 cases, NT 2, Queensland & WA recorded 1 each.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.193% and active cases remain at 56.

The UK had a lower 18,450 cases yesterday and 506 deaths.

Just under 200k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,612 deaths sees CMR drop to 1.818% and active cases drop to 39.9% with the raw numbers rising and now over 6.7M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA passes 17M cases;
Europe passes 20M cases;
The USA completes 224M, India 155M, Saudi Arabia 10M, Portugal 5M, Japan 4M, Bangladesh 3M and Sri Lanka 1M tests.

Only Syria (150); and
Mauritania (296)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[mostly_broncos]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

So you definitely believe that govt's don't ever do anything stupid?

I think if russia wants some guy dead they just shoot him with one bullet.

If the usa wants someone dead they use a 90,000 hellfire missile shot from a drone .

In fact the ridiculous over-complicated nature of this botched killing makes me think its probably a made in the USA false flag.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

The Skripal thing is fake news . Practically the plot of a movie . An entire country can just go shoot someone they don't like anytime they want. The theory that they would concoct a sharks with laser beams plot straight out of an Austin Powers movie that then predictably doesn't work is ridiculous

Funny you mention this, last year, I heard a news report on 2 high ranking CIA officials who were apparently attacked using microwave technology by russina agents in Sydney.
I don't recall hearing anything further to the story but it seemed straight out of James Bond to me.

Sorry back to Covid.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Two more positive cases in Sydney's northern beaches area.

Has sparked concern about border closures, especially WA closing its border to NSW residents.

Apparently 100s of people are being urged to isolate for 14 days, even if their test returns a negative result.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...9-2c52f9eb6a8a

[PhilT2]

The vaccine has arrived in California but ICU's are filling up and extra body bags and cold storage has been ordered.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/5000-body-...ry?id=74741632

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Two more positive cases in Sydney's northern beaches area.

Has sparked concern about border closures, especially WA closing its border to NSW residents.

Apparently 100s of people are being urged to isolate for 14 days, even if their test returns a negative result.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...9-2c52f9eb6a8a

I’m sure many of those potentially impacted are thinking “We’ll isolate after Christmas”…

I can see this one getting out of hand faster than a Honda S2000 on a wet sweeper.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’m sure many of those potentially impacted are thinking “We’ll isolate after Christmas”…

I can see this one getting out of hand faster than a Honda S2000 on a wet sweeper.

Hopefully not. The Gold Standard State will snuff it quickly!

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/...07-p56l6e.html

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Hopefully not. The Gold Standard State will snuff it quickly!

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/...07-p56l6e.html

"Gold Standard". As judged by people from that very state. No bias there!

Originally Posted by mostly_broncos

I think if russia wants some guy dead they just shoot him with one bullet.

In fact the ridiculous over-complicated nature of this botched killing makes me think its probably a made in the USA false flag.

Do you have any concept of plausible deniability? What do you think would happen if russians pulled out a gun and shot their intended target in a foreign country?

What is with americans who are unable to accept the scientifically-backed version of events and instead substitute their own fantasy-based version despite it going against all evidence? Does everything have to be a conspiracy?