FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[Road_Warrior]

I can guarantee in Wait Awhile they won't be getting any XR8's, because WAPOL has a blanket ban on V8's in the Force. They just use off the shelf XR6 Turbos

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Why do/did they use F6 models then in NSW & QLD?

Special promotional cars. They don't use them for every HWP driver.

Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

Someone mentioned a few pages back that zf still list the high torque 6 speed, could this be (heaven forbid) good marketing by ford?

Spread the rumour that there are limited numbers of parts (or simply dont deny anything) and let the hype build.

It's not quite out of production yet but soon will be. Ford are limiting the number they will purchase so that they won't be left holding the ball at the end of production with hundreds of ZF's unused. They are just going to build the absolute minimum they think they will sell. If it means they miss out on sales well what does it matter at this point.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's not quite out of production yet but soon will be. Ford are limiting the number they will purchase so that they won't be left holding the ball at the end of production with hundreds of ZF's unused. They are just going to build the absolute minimum they think they will sell. If it means they miss out on sales well what does it matter at this point.

But would it be feasible for the XR8 manuals to be built still after the ZF's run out?

[Luke Plaizier]

[QUOTE=stevefreestyle;5204433]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The 335 does NOT have full VCT (which is standard on the 5.0 Coyote on which it is based) ...

If by 'Full VCT' you mean DiVCT I reckon you are right. But the FGX XR8 might.

The Miami does retain the VCT mechanics of the Coyote, but it doesn't run in DiVCT mode because the old PCM had limited outputs. The CAMS can shift phase, but the inlet and exhaust cams must do so together and not independently. I recall the BF I6 announcing that it was running DiVCT years before the term 'Ecoboost' was announced, of which DiVCT, Direct Injection and Turbocharging are all components. There's every reason to believe that it was Ford Australia that pioneered DiVCT within Ford Global - although I'd be happy to be proven wrong. If only it had Direct Injection, the BF XR6T could almost claim to be Fords very first Ecoboost engine....

The GTF program used the engine management 'brought forward from the XR8 program' as we heard in one of the press releases. There is every chance that the GTF was able to hit such good power levels without an Intercooler because the new FGX PCM used in the GTF could drive the DiVCT properly - and I would love it if someone was able to confirm this, because all the indications point this way. And since we already know that this was an XR8 program, DiVCT is a serious possibility there too.

Which ultimately means if it is running either 315 or 335 ratings, those would have to be bespoke mappings, and not just a carryover from the FG2 GT....


Lukeyson

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Your kidding yourself if you think HWP will use XR8's. Price alone will kill that idea right off the bat.

Rubbish. They buy the cars tax free and would then auction them off at a profit after thrashing them for 50,000km.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Rubbish. They buy the cars tax free

They're not luxury cars... how much tax do you think is in the price??

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by b0son

They're not luxury cars... how much tax do you think is in the price??

The price we pay? 10% GST, plus whatever else we don't know about. So if the Ticket price is $52,990+ORC, you know that at least $4800 of that is tax because of GST.

[b0son]

So, not much then.

How big is the typical fleet discount? And they're not buying through a dealer are they? I assume they would something closer to wholesale?

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by b0son

So, not much then.

I'd call 10%+ whatever I don't know about 'much'.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by b0son

They're not luxury cars... how much tax do you think is in the price??

Luxury Car Tax goes by the value of the vehicle, not its content.

Highly unlikely the XR8 (in Police guise anyway) will trigger the LCT threshold. Current threshold is $61K.

[FGX335]

What are you guys doing to secure an XR8? My wife thinks I should be leaving a deposit (as do all the dealers I've spoken to...).

Do you feel that your bargaining power will be reduced? What credit setup will you be looking at? I've never bought a brand new car before, so this is all new to me.

For such a large investment, I want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for expensive mistakes. Was hoping that Ford would bring back 2.9%, but I'm not confident of that. RACQ/NRMA/RACV seem to be offering a decent price, but feedback would be welcome!

[PTR_NITRO_FG]

Not an investment! lol

Also the 2.9% was never on falcons IIRC

Maybe the ecoboost if ever; but definitely never seen it on the turbos? Or XR8

....but I may be wrong

[FGX335]

No, certainly no investment! Poor choice of words there.

Hence why I'm looking to take the sting out of the purchase.

[Alan D Segal]

FGX335 I think you should leave a $1000 deposit so they know you're serious, but so that if something goes majorly wrong you aren't out of pocket too much (for example if you have major disappointment when final equipment and spec is released).

Your bargaining power will be reduced because they know you're keen for the car, but it is silly to suggest that it is likely they will heavily discount these cars just after they are launched.

You most likely won't get any special finance deals from the dealership on a new model like this, it is usually for run-out models or in-stock cars.

So I'd suggest lining up your own good deal on finance (shop around) prior to signing an actual contract. This puts you in a little better position to bargain, because dealers (believe it or not) often try the 'can't you just borrow more?' line if they know you want to apply through their finance, rather than lowering the contract price. Whereas if you say "I have $x to spend" then they can't really argue with that because they don't know how much you have available.

Try to get pre-approved for enough to allow you to spend $60k drive-away for this car, or more if you want the top of the line. I personally wouldn't get a novated lease, I'd be looking at just normal secured car loans if I was shopping for a car of this nature.

[anto]

wait until it comes out then have a good look over it and and put a deposit down then if you like everything.
Its not a GTF, people need to calm down a bit.

[FGX335]

Originally Posted by anto

wait until it comes out then have a good look over it and and put a deposit down then if you like everything.
Its not a GTF, people need to calm down a bit.

Yep, I think I might just do that. Have the finance ready to rock, and pull the trigger if I'm tempted. Sweet, thanks to all for the help.

[PTR_NITRO_FG]

Also should be noted that not all car dealerships will give you a 'rip off' interest rate....

I actually found the dealer I bought from offered me 2% P.A. less than my cheapest bank rate.

Most big dealerships are funded by a major bank...and if they can score the business off you its more profit for them; therefore most of the time they will want to beat whatever cheap rate you provide

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by FGX335

What are you guys doing to secure an XR8? My wife thinks I should be leaving a deposit (as do all the dealers I've spoken to...).

Do you feel that your bargaining power will be reduced? What credit setup will you be looking at? I've never bought a brand new car before, so this is all new to me.

For such a large investment, I want to make sure I'm not setting myself up for expensive mistakes. Was hoping that Ford would bring back 2.9%, but I'm not confident of that. RACQ/NRMA/RACV seem to be offering a decent price, but feedback would be welcome!

You will pay full retail if you put a deposit down now. Ford will not be doing 2.9 on new Falcon for a while.

If you want a decent deal I would be waiting for an EX demo to come up, some dealers will be putting them on as demos, but not many.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by PTR_NITRO_FG

Not an investment! lol

Also the 2.9% was never on falcons IIRC

Maybe the ecoboost if ever; but definitely never seen it on the turbos? Or XR8

....but I may be wrong

2.9% has always been offered on Falcon, just not FPV.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by PTR_NITRO_FG

Also should be noted that not all car dealerships will give you a 'rip off' interest rate....

I actually found the dealer I bought from offered me 2% P.A. less than my cheapest bank rate.

Most big dealerships are funded by a major bank...and if they can score the business off you its more profit for them; therefore most of the time they will want to beat whatever cheap rate you provide

Did they prove to you that the rate was 2% cheaper, or did they just tell you that.

When shopping for payments you need to compare the monthly payment, nothing else (providing the term etc are all the same).

[LooLoo18]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

FGX335 I think you should leave a $1000 deposit so they know you're serious, but so that if something goes majorly wrong you aren't out of pocket too much (for example if you have major disappointment when final equipment and spec is released).

Your bargaining power will be reduced because they know you're keen for the car, but it is silly to suggest that it is likely they will heavily discount these cars just after they are launched.

You most likely won't get any special finance deals from the dealership on a new model like this, it is usually for run-out models or in-stock cars.

So I'd suggest lining up your own good deal on finance (shop around) prior to signing an actual contract. This puts you in a little better position to bargain, because dealers (believe it or not) often try the 'can't you just borrow more?' line if they know you want to apply through their finance, rather than lowering the contract price. Whereas if you say "I have $x to spend" then they can't really argue with that because they don't know how much you have available.

Try to get pre-approved for enough to allow you to spend $60k drive-away for this car, or more if you want the top of the line. I personally wouldn't get a novated lease, I'd be looking at just normal secured car loans if I was shopping for a car of this nature.

Why wouldn't you do a novated lease?

[v8der]

When buying new always get your own finance.

No matter what fancy % rate they give, you can always smash it by getting your own.

[Grippy]

Spotted this G6E turbo heading to Geelong from Melbourne this arvo.

[FGX335]

Don't think we've seen one of those yet! You'll have made some people very happy.

[Grippy]

There's no turbo badge on the boot, but there was a piece of paper I saw on the dash saying G6E Turbo. Plus it had what looked like 19 inch wheels.

[usernametaken]

Has turbo rims.

And is that a red 'E'?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

But would it be feasible for the XR8 manuals to be built still after the ZF's run out?

They are limited to how many engines they can build anyway. They have locked down the number already and it ain't going to change.

[QUOTE=Luke Plaizier]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

If by 'Full VCT' you mean DiVCT I reckon you are right. But the FGX XR8 might.

The Miami does retain the VCT mechanics of the Coyote, but it doesn't run in DiVCT mode because the old PCM had limited outputs. The CAMS can shift phase, but the inlet and exhaust cams must do so together and not independently. I recall the BF I6 announcing that it was running DiVCT years before the term 'Ecoboost' was announced, of which DiVCT, Direct Injection and Turbocharging are all components. There's every reason to believe that it was Ford Australia that pioneered DiVCT within Ford Global - although I'd be happy to be proven wrong. If only it had Direct Injection, the BF XR6T could almost claim to be Fords very first Ecoboost engine....

The GTF program used the engine management 'brought forward from the XR8 program' as we heard in one of the press releases. There is every chance that the GTF was able to hit such good power levels without an Intercooler because the new FGX PCM used in the GTF could drive the DiVCT properly - and I would love it if someone was able to confirm this, because all the indications point this way. And since we already know that this was an XR8 program, DiVCT is a serious possibility there too.

Which ultimately means if it is running either 315 or 335 ratings, those would have to be bespoke mappings, and not just a carryover from the FG2 GT....


Lukeyson

XR8 motors do not have exhaust phasers, so count that out. Only difference is powered by Ford coil covers and not, powered by FPV.

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Rubbish. They buy the cars tax free and would then auction them off at a profit after thrashing them for 50,000km.

Simple fact is the XR8 will be at least 10k or more dearer than an SS or XR6 Turbo, so the police are not going to pay that much extra over what they use now for those cars that do the job required already. Even if that 10k is less due to fleet discount etc. But from what i'm hearing fleet discounts probably won't apply to XR8's anyway.

Not to mention the extra fuel and tyre costs of an XR8 over the other 2.

[Tbm1121]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

The price we pay? 10% GST, plus whatever else we don't know about. So if the Ticket price is $52,990+ORC, you know that at least $4800 of that is tax because of GST.

Manufacturers have government pricing, police, councils, charities are all included in this, the don't pay rego, stamp duty, gst, dealer delivery, and the manufacturer basically sells the car at cost to these sort of buyers.

[Cashie]

Originally Posted by Grippy

There's no turbo badge on the boot, but there was a piece of paper I saw on the dash saying G6E Turbo. Plus it had what looked like 19 inch wheels.

Yeah, looks like it's got the red "E"

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Grippy

There's no turbo badge on the boot, but there was a piece of paper I saw on the dash saying G6E Turbo. Plus it had what looked like 19 inch wheels.

It also has an XR-style exposed exhaust tip, unlike the previous G6E we're seen.