What are the best muscle cars for drifting??

[apolloxbgt]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I think there should be an entire thread trying to define this.

I think originally your definition is right with the muscle cars being mid sized and the Pony cars being short wheelbase but by the late 60's the pony cars were only a few inches shorter than the muscle cars, weighed 1600 kilos plus and could be optioned with a big block.

While in America the muscle car died in the early 70's in Australia it continued well into the 80's where it dwindled and now is facing a resurgence.

I classify a muscle car.

1)Produced by Ford, GM or Chrysler
2)Rear-Wheel Drive
3)Large capacity straight six or V8
4)Affordable
5)Power to weight ratio of at least 150kw/tonne??

While a VL Commodore may look Japanese I think at least the Group A cars should be considered muscle cars. As well as such things as the XR8 sprint which I think offered performance comparable to the GTHO.

As hard as it is for me to say this as an xbgt/xd esp owner,Aus Musclecars ended with the demise of the phase 4/xu1v8/chargerv8.

A sprint is close to the musclecar formula,lightweight/most powerfull v8,but most gt's etc since have been luxo barges rather than an attempt at outright performance.

Musclecar=built to win races.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by TUF514

Ahh good old nugget.

Picking at everything i write.

Do you honestly have anything better to do?

Someone suggested you maybe interested in me sexually. Sorry Bud, im not really into that.

Is online stalking illegal?

Wake up to yourself clown..

The guy asked for advice as to which muscle car was best suited to drifting,while I dont like drifting at all (kinda reminds me of figure skating) I gave some advice based on my what Ive seen work as a track car,
and whats the best you can come up with?

"Ahhh derrrr get a GTHO that will the purists off derrrr"
like thats a real good reason to buy and spend wads of cash setting up a car,not too mention the car you list is out of reach for almost everyone,if you dont like your dribble being called out,dont post dribble,its pretty simple.

Back on topic,I still think a torana would be one of the best,

Light weight,big engine(a chev is an easy conversion),and they handle real real well without a ton of money spent on them..

[R0BD0G]

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Muscle cars don't drift?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBZc2ccK80

Pardon?

Rhys Millen did the stunt drift for the movie....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by apolloxbgt

You think wrong.

A muscle car was a 60's/70's intermediate bodied American car with a bigblock.

So by that description a Boss 302 Mustang isn't a muscle car?

Doesn't have to have a big block, a grunty small blocks can be good enough for a smaller weight car.

[T_Terror]

Whoever rekons you CANT drift a muscle car dosent know what the hell they are talking about.

For drifting all you need is RWD and skill.

Power and good chassis helps but is not essential.
Obviously to do well you'd need a newer chassis but that isnt the point, its to have fun.

Best muscle car choice by far is a Torana or possibly a Cortina, simply cause they are the lightest of the pick, reasonably cheap can be had with V8 for enough stock power to drift and has bolt in parts from engine to suspension available.

Thers been a Mustang and XDs drifted on Aussie tracks not to mention every modern day muscle, in Yank land Camaros and Mustangs are flung around too.

[boost1105]

found this interesting...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=115632

[montyv8]

Originally Posted by nugget378

"Ahhh derrrr get a GTHO that will the purists off derrrr"

lol... cartman at the special olympics?

I too suggest an LX/H torrie, with an aftermarket big-cube alloy smallblock, maybe with a SC hanging off the side. You could jam any kind of suspension you like under the shell..

another option (for the budget conscious ), though not a 'muscle car' as such, could be TC-F cortina with a 4.4L alloy rover/leyland V8, turbo'd or blown..

[Fev]

Originally Posted by nugget378

You do realise its a movie dont you?
As in stunt men and special effects? : :

yeah i meant to elaborate on that, because it would be lighter(alloy instead of cast iron) gives it better balance

[Fev]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So by that description a Boss 302 Mustang isn't a muscle car?

Doesn't have to have a big block, a grunty small blocks can be good enough for a smaller weight car.

well pretty much the definition of a muscle car was the biggest engine you could think of shoehorned into a small car (even though cuda's and GTHO's arnt exactly festiva's back then they were small)

[T_Terror]

I thought it was any affordable performance cars from the late 60s, and 70s era?

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by Fev

yeah i meant to elaborate on that, because it would be lighter(alloy instead of cast iron) gives it better balance

Isn't the Nissan RB engines cast iron block.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a Nissan engine with twin cam's and all other ancillaries be just as heavy as a simple carby V8.

The other day at my mechanic they had a Chevy Monte Carlo SS454. And I thought "wow big block" because I've never seen a big block before.

You know for a big block the engine looked tiny! My engine looks bigger :

[TUF514]

Originally Posted by nugget378

Wake up to yourself clown..

The guy asked for advice as to which muscle car was best suited to drifting,while I dont like drifting at all (kinda reminds me of figure skating) I gave some advice based on my what Ive seen work as a track car,
and whats the best you can come up with?

"Ahhh derrrr get a GTHO that will the purists off derrrr"
like thats a real good reason to buy and spend wads of cash setting up a car,not too mention the car you list is out of reach for almost everyone,if you dont like your dribble being called out,dont post dribble,its pretty simple.

Is your funny bone broken?

Next time, WHEN I AM JOKING, i shall say so.

But you do follow me around and quote everything i say. Its actually quite amusing where i sit.

[ebxr8240]

For plenty of parts etc and I know they are not muscle cars...
The E series with carb Clevo...
The muscle era maybe too expensive to buy body panels???
In any case a WELL sorted cage to stiffen up body...
A 2 door E series ???
I like the shape of 68/70 Comaro's and Mustang 65 / 70...

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

For plenty of parts etc and I know they are not muscle cars...
The E series with carb Clevo...
The muscle era maybe too expensive to buy body panels???
In any case a WELL sorted cage to stiffen up body...
A 2 door E series ???
I like the shape of 68/70 Comaro's and Mustang 65 / 70...

There would be some interesting legalities surrounding a carby fed Clevo in a E series car. I think modifying the Windsor in a e series would probably be better.

As for the expense of Mustangs the aftermarket for Mustangs are huge. You can buy reproduction parts for EVERY part of the Mustang.

I'm confident if the V8 boys in Australia got some interest in drifting they would dominate it. It's already happening in America with V8's dominating the series.

[Super Roo 1970]

Get a pooh brown xb coupe with a 514 in it that dosnt go right and will either end up with a supercharger or a bug catcher and front runners all street registered and go drift bodyrolling

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Super Roo 1970

Get a pooh brown xb coupe with a 514 in it that dosnt go right and will either end up with a supercharger or a bug catcher and front runners all street registered and go drift bodyrolling

classic! Now for the encore!



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[TUF514]

Originally Posted by auslandau

classic! Now for the encore!

No encore mate. Sorry.

The terms and conditions of AFF state you cant make personal attacks against other users, so im sure someone from the moderator team will delete Super Glues post and have a word with him. Classic hardly seems the right word auslandau! Juvenile and pety spring to mind though.

Who'd have thought we'd live in a world where coupes with blowers were " abominations ".....

Its funny that people want to knock someone building a tough car isnt it? Its always the blokes with no imagination, balls or money.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by TUF514

No encore mate. Sorry.

The terms and conditions of AFF state you cant make personal attacks against other users, so im sure someone from the moderator team will delete Super Glues post and have a word with him. Classic hardly seems the right word auslandau! Juvenile and pety spring to mind though.

Who'd have thought we'd live in a world where coupes with blowers were " abominations ".....

Its funny that people want to knock someone building a tough car isnt it? Its always the blokes with no imagination, balls or money.

Seriously someone here build a V8 drift weapon.

The ricers only have drifting left. Time to destroy them.

mmmmmmmm beer

[Super Roo 1970]

Originally Posted by TUF514

The terms and conditions of AFF state you cant make personal attacks against other users, so im sure someone from the moderator team will delete Super Glues post and have a word with him. Classic hardly seems the right word auslandau! Juvenile and pety spring to mind though.

Who'd have thought we'd live in a world where coupes with blowers were " abominations ".....

Its funny that people want to knock someone building a tough car isnt it? Its always the blokes with no imagination, balls or money.

You crack me up mate.....Bwahhhhaaaaaaa, have a cry mate. Still nothing said by anyone, cause theres nothin for them to say.
Anyone who read your big joke of a thread a while ago about what you were doing and then not doing and then doing again and not doing again when you got banned will know exactly what I ment as auslandau certainly did.

As for imagination or money, those arent mandatory, money will never be a substitute for scence, an we know which you have more of. Anyone who doubts this, read the offending thread. As for balls, I dont need to openly advertise mine or my cars, but I know they do everything I ask of them, and do it fine and legal.

Have a nice day.

[nitroman]

I saw a clip on "edmunds" about a yank that had built a big block 69' camaro for drifting. He got it happening really well but only after serious and expensive steering and suspension modifications and development. I reckon any e series would be a good start due to having good suspension and steering design to start (and they're cheap), and drop in a 393 stroker clevo with c4 and 9 inch. people can relate to a falcon so sponsorship would come easy and it would attract a huge following from normal non rice people.

[GSfalcon500]

Are you planning on driving this thing on the road or just track?.IMO the best muscle drift car out there would be a fox body mustang . they are lite, small wheel base,V8 ,about the same size as the other jap drift cars,cheep to buy, massive aftermarket parts supply and they are left hand drive so you can change gears and use the E brake with the right hand.

[sleekism]

Well I know it's not a muscle car but I have decided to buy a EA Fairmont Ghia 5 speed to practice and perfect my technique before I fork out for something expensive.

Practicing in a auto is a lot harder not being able to clutch kick.

I'm still looking at building a V8 drift weapon and XR8 Sprints and V8 XD's look attractive.

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by sleekism

There would be some interesting legalities surrounding a carby fed Clevo in a E series car. I think modifying the Windsor in a e series would probably be better.

As for the expense of Mustangs the aftermarket for Mustangs are huge. You can buy reproduction parts for EVERY part of the Mustang.

I'm confident if the V8 boys in Australia got some interest in drifting they would dominate it. It's already happening in America with V8's dominating the series.

Does the car need to registered ???? Don't think so ??

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Does the car need to registered ???? Don't think so ??

No rego makes things a hundred times easier for a car like this,not to mention cheaper by heaps..

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Well I know it's not a muscle car but I have decided to buy a EA Fairmont Ghia 5 speed to practice and perfect my technique before I fork out for something expensive.

Practicing in a auto is a lot harder not being able to clutch kick.

I'm still looking at building a V8 drift weapon and XR8 Sprints and V8 XD's look attractive.

So where bouts will you be practising your technique?



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[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by nugget378

No rego makes things a hundred times easier for a car like this,not to mention cheaper by heaps..

Na be cheaper to have as trailer queen in this case..
Depends whay body and mechanicals used???
A later model car with EFI and big engine would cost heaps to register..
Though as thread starter said MUSCLE car...
Then costs of having rego would be cheaper due to no EPA and ADR's...[To a point]
In any case I would rather trailer to events as drifting can be very close to demolishon derby or driver error very easy.....

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by auslandau

So where bouts will you be practising your technique?

I know it's lame but my uncles farm has millions of dirt roads everywhere and there is also an abandoned quarry. Probally a bit different to tarmac but I think it's good for getting a feel for being sideways.

the only times I have drifted on the roads is by accident. Through the mountains where I travel the road has really crap skid resistance (you know those roads that look really shiny).

All you need is a tiny bit of water and the place is a skating ring. You just give the throttle the tiniest feather touch and your fishtailing. Also the weight transfer from braking for the corners takes weight off the back and the tail flicks out not to mention spots where water pools on the road and you start aquaplaning.

Traction control does bugger all except scare the crap out of me because it changes what the car is doing. Really need to fix that road few too many people have died.

[Ives]

RB26DETT-powered '67 Mustang.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Ives

RB26DETT-powered '67 Mustang.

?????? didn't we cover this abortion of a movie already

GenIII Twin Turbo 300ZX??? why not?
might as well go a 427SOHC in 92 celica while we're at it

[3vXT]

I think the idea of a muscle car for drifting is a little immature and stupid but each to there own, i'll try to be nice

Originally Posted by sleekism

I know it's lame but my uncles farm has millions of dirt roads everywhere and there is also an abandoned quarry. Probally a bit different to tarmac but I think it's good for getting a feel for being sideways.

Thats not lame, its actually a pretty good idea IMO. Sliding around on the dirt is a great way to learn the basics and get some skills.

From what i know (actually i just asked a friend who knows more than me ), for drifting, you would be better off with a longer wheel base car, rather than something shorter. The extra length means it takes longer to 'spin out' or 'lose' making it easier to hold a slide by giving you more time to catch it. Shorter wheel base cars may handle better and be generally faster around a track, but a big part of that is because they can change direction quicker. This probably isn't a huge problem for the average japanese dorifto champion of the world hero, but for the rest of us humans a longer wheel base is easier.
eg... when it comes to balance and handling, nothing much beats a MX5 of any age, though you don't see many of these being used for drifting mainly because of there shortish wheel base. (Maybe a little underpowered for drifting as well but thats easier to fix then the wheel base).

I dont mean a stupidly long wheel base, like a limo etc.. but something that has a highish wheel base to wheel track ratio. Obviously balance is pretty important also but your not going to find a muscle car with anything close to 50/50 weight distribution.

Anyway good luck with it.