$10 for a can of JD

[UU TS50]

the bottle shop that had cougars for $23 still had alchopop type stuff at 4 for $9

[OLDFORDNUT]

my localbottle shop has increased the mudslides and cruisers and the like went up by at least $8 a six pack but rum and coke and the like are the same which is in line with what news said was going to happen as its the drinks marketed to the very young that were the problem,why would JD go up in some places?

[04redxr8]

They know there are people who will still buy it. Look at cigarettes. The "its for your own good" is a lie meaning, we can't run a budget, have no idea or control over what our departments are doing financially, and so we are going to give you another tax.

At the rate were going, soon we'll be getting absolutely no infrastructure, will be paying for everything privately and getting taxed to the hilt on everything including the air we breathe.

[uranium_death]

Instead of buying alcopops, they'll buy a bottle of crappy Smirnoff, a couple of bottles of soft drink, and make their money go further.

The system doesn't work.

Had my first spirits-in-a-can in ages on the weekend when I went camping out near Buller. Bottles can break, so got Johnny and Dry, and Smirnoff Ice, and did a few shots of Sambuca (which I thought sucked), Buffalo Vokda (smooth) and Bell's Scotch (rough as buggery).

Fact is that people who want to drink will always find a way.
Brother used to buy me Bacardi and with a friend, we'd finish it in a night.

Cheers

[Darkr]

nice one voting for krudd.... :/

wtf is an alchopop though? I swear this is a made up term, which I have never heard previous to this money grab.

Some kids will drink, yes it happens, and I have seen zero negative effect yet. Many parents are the suppliers in many of the cases too...

The tax is stupid and not well thought out as well, the kids are just going to buy straight spirits.

And yes, from what I have seen growing up, it's much more likely that females will be the drinkers at the young age.

[SpoolMan]

''The economic impact of alcohol is also significant. In 2004-05, alcohol cost Australia an estimated $15.3 billion a year, through crime, violence, treatment, loss of productivity and premature death.''
recent article written by Lisa Martin.

This has doubled in just 6 years so yes there is a problem.

As long as there is no tax increase on fresh food and stables, I am not to fussed what they charge for alcohol.
I had a brother who was 36yo he fell into the premature death part of an alcohol statistic.

[trick_xd]

Originally Posted by au302s3

$14 for a six pack of cougars then they went to about $18 now there bloody $23 you can buy a carton of beer for about $30 hey?

Cougars are 20$ for 12 OR 40$ for a slab of 24

if your paying more then that then go else where.

Maybe I should do a " on the side " selling to you guys at a good price.
every 10 slabs of jim I get the next for free , guess what my misers drinks

[Fev]

*just realised*

NOOO MY BUNDY DRY & LIME!!!!!! first petrol screws us over.. now they do it on the liquids for our bodies? what next? oh yeah. +2.5c per ciggie

[Fev]

Originally Posted by nicholas

my localbottle shop has increased the mudslides and cruisers and the like went up by at least $8 a six pack but rum and coke and the like are the same which is in line with what news said was going to happen as its the drinks marketed to the very young that were the problem,why would JD go up in some places?

just wait until they legalise marijuana.. and then tax it of course..

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by charliewool

One day we'll learn from the past?... Or maybe NOT?

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...deral+election

Thanks Charlie one day..
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Guy's there are plenty of places/forums you can vent politics, but not on AFF.

alcohol and the increase of the mixers is the the thread topic.

[Thornie]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Beer and wine are next...

It will be intereting to see where these extra funds get spent..

there was talk on the radio about this the other day, somthing about a 400% increase in the tax on beer and wine.

[FGII-XR6]

blame the brain dead tools who get blind and start trouble this is a reaction to the stupidity of drunks. lets face it the sale of alcohol is not an esential household item it is a recreational drug and as such deserves no protection form price increases . if the use of this drug causes community problems a price increase will reduce consumption.

Originally Posted by Nikked

Its offical, the government has reamed consumers.

I may as well go to a park and get blind on goon bag.

It like the government doesn't have asolution to teenage binge drinking (which, apparently isn't as bad as what we are led to beleive) so they just do a money grap. Im very annyoed at this,i tolerated $8.50, but this is downright stupid.

I think the government should have atleast made the tax hike on takeaway sales instead of barsales, because i dont see any teenagers bingiing at the pup :

[Tote]

If they wanted to stop alcohol related violence they would change the closing times for pubs back to midnight. Patrons would then have to plan to go elsewhere to drink pre purchased take aways or go to an expensive nightclub where the entry fee and cost of drinks would limit consumption.
Instead now we have people leaving pubs completely blind at 03:00 or 04:00 and smashing stuff and people up.
It seems to me that this is a direct result of the extension of trading hours that started in the late 80s and early nineties. (oddly enough the same timeframe that is quoted in a lot of the increase in violence statistics).

The tax increase on pre mixed drinks is merely a good headline grabbing fix that will help raise some revenue and make the govt look good.

Regards,
Tote

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by Racecraft

**time to clean out the old bong**

Lol.

What you say is true. People will start using alternatives.

It costs my mate around $3 to get high and despite been illegal the consequence is a slap on the wrist, and you can almost buy it anywhere.

Thanks to Rudd we're gonna see alternative methods of altering the state of mind.

I'm sure he knows that, just doesn't care. After all it's MONEY!!!!!

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

but which one of them is more dangerous??

Statistics show that alcohol is far easier to OD on than either of those 2 drugs.

They're all bad in the end. If they really cared about binge drinking they'd implement a system limiting the amount of drinks people could purchase per day.

[70caprigt3k]

It's pretty simple, If you wanna get legless just drink spirits as a straight shot.

I got my drink on last night doing straight shots of Jager with the occasional beer and it was the one of the cheapest nights out i have had in ages, by the time i got home i couldn't even see straight so it was a good night too.

If your not drinking to get wasted your not drinking enough of the stuff for the price to be all that significant anyway.

[crusher]

Ive been talking to the young fellas and just like us theyve got it sussed. Theyre onto the cartons of beer and bottles of spirits. If they want to get drunk they'll do it any old how and generally pretty quickly.

Went to the pub last night and the prices hadn't been changed so I was pretty happy. Good ol Andy! Lookin after the hills crew. $6.50 for a can of Beam and $7.50 for a stubby of Jacks

[Shoofty_As]

Any one got Krudds email address? I want to send him a copy of this link so he can read up on the responses from both drinkers and non drinkers.

Cant we just make the openings smaller on the cans/bottles? (joke)

Why don't we start up a AFF petition, I'll be the first to sign..

[[Tonko]]

All this has done for me is make customers more ****ed off and abusive, thanks Kev!
If they were serious about this, let me put forward a couple of suggestions...
Why wouldnt they make the drinking age 21?
Cancel Advertising, just like Tobacco?
But wait, they will lose money on both, that can't happen! Just double the Alcohol Excise tax... too easy!
I cant wait until November when Beer gets exactly the same treatment!

[GS608]

raising the drinking age wouldn't do much, people will find ways to get booze whether they're allowed to or not, I've seen 14 year olds off their face at parties, you guessed it they were females, most of the people there were 16-19..

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

raising the drinking age wouldn't do much, people will find ways to get booze whether they're allowed to or not, I've seen 14 year olds off their face at parties, you guessed it they were females, most of the people there were 16-19..

First of all us Adults have to lead By Example & not show our Children as they are growing up that it is ok to Drink to excess.

Then yes we do need to raise the Drinking Age to 21 which would also help get the Drunk Teenagers off our Streets at all hours.

We also need to make all Pubs & Clubs shut at Midnight so those over 21 can go home (yeah maybe they will still keep drinking at home however they will be off the streets) some of them.

And have the Police round up any stragglers found wandering drunk after Midnight.

This is all achievable & would not only help the Teenagers themselves but also help with Crime & Violence.

Yes I like the occasional Beer or Bourbon at Home however it is like 1 or 2 with Dinner sometimes or when we have a BBQ & not 10 or more.

So Adults lead by Example & Mr Rudd do not make everyone pay for the Teenagers lack of sense.

Lastly just Ban Tobacco completely as it serves no Purpose other to make people sick.

PS: If you think I sound like a wowser well from the age of 14 I drank a fair bit with Friends & once I was 18 I would drink from 8 till 3 constantly at Nightclubs every Friday & Saturday night (yes binge drinking) & it nearly cost me my life a few times so I was no Different to the young these Days however we do get older & Wiser not to mention pay for it in our health in later years.

[King Nothing]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

First of all us Adults have to lead By Example & not show our Children as they are growing up that it is ok to Drink to excess.

Then yes we do need to raise the Drinking Age to 21 which would also help get the Drunk Teenagers off our Streets at all hours.

We also need to make all Pubs & Clubs shut at Midnight so those over 21 can go home (yeah maybe they will still keep drinking at home however they will be off the streets) some of them.

And have the Police round up any stragglers found wandering drunk after Midnight.

This is all achievable & would not only help the Teenagers themselves but also help with Crime & Violence.

Yes I like the occasional Beer or Bourbon at Home however it is like 1 or 2 with Dinner sometimes or when we have a BBQ & not 10 or more.

So Adults lead by Example & Mr Rudd do not make everyone pay for the Teenagers lack of sense.

Lastly just Ban Tobacco completely as it serves no Purpose other to make people sick.

PS: If you think I sound like a wowser well from the age of 14 I drank a fair bit with Friends & once I was 18 I would drink from 8 till 3 constantly at Nightclubs every Friday & Saturday night (yes binge drinking) & it nearly cost me my life a few times so I was no Different to the young these Days however we do get older & Wiser not to mention pay for it in our health in later years.

LOL, I was reading that and thought "what a bloody wowser"

But how will raising the drinking age to 21 help? I thought the problem was underage drinking?

I'm not a smoker, nor a heavy drinker (go out for a night every month or so, MAYBE a bottle of wine once a week with the missus and MAYBE a couple of beers during the week). But banning it because "its bad for you" isn't a fair reason either.

In that case why make v8s, big 6's and turbos more than capable of exceeding the speed limit? Why does my speedo go up to 220km/h when I can only legally do half that?

The problem then is you create a nanny state. If you take something away (by either taxing it out of reach or banning outright) without giving a good enough reason, people will get upset and some will use other methods to acheive the same results. But educating people at an early age is a great idea. Someone mentioned in this thread before about how the dangers of alcohol are not explained in school. I know now that heavy drinking can cause cirrosis of the liver, but what does that mean? What are the consequences? I doubt any underage binge drinker knows half of the potential problems they are setting themselves up for. Punishing the general population by increasing tax is not the answer, its a cop-out to look like they are doing something but make a fortune at the same time. Education is the solution. But again that costs money. Just like proper driving education.

I remember in high school we were taught about the dangers of smoking. And in general it has worked. None of my friends smoke, I doubt that would be the case 20-30 years ago. So why not alcohol? Leave people the choice of what they want to do, but make them fully aware of the risks and consequences.

I also believe this has more to it than just alcohol causing the problems. Kids have been binge drinking forever. But they used to have limits. They had proper discipline when they were younger. But this new mob of people (I'm only 22 myself!) haven't had proper discipline their entire lives and so have no boundaries. They push and push until they reach it, its human nature. The only time any serious consequences come are when someone is seriously hurt or even killed. In which case it's too late for the other person.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Shoofty_As

Any one got Krudds email address? I want to send him a copy of this link so he can read up on the responses from both drinkers and non drinkers.

Cant we just make the openings smaller on the cans/bottles? (joke)

Why don't we start up a AFF petition, I'll be the first to sign..

Already e-mailed him mate, wont do anything but just felt like a : . :
You are supposed to get a reply back in 24HRS i never got one so i sent another one with another : :

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by [Tonko]

I cant wait until November when Beer gets exactly the same treatment!

You unaustralian sadistic bugger. Taking beer is downright unaustralian.

*Gets onto email K-Rudd*

[XR6_661]

Try going to the casino in cairns.

3 floors.

Red Bull & Vodka
1st floor: $9
2nd Floor: $12
3rd Floor: $14

WTF!

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

Lastly just Ban Tobacco completely as it serves no Purpose other to make people sick.

Well they should ban alchahol as well and let the underworld control it. Just because the government sais your not allowed to do something doesn't mean that people wont. Look at the amount of illegal drugs that are around in our country.

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by XR6_661

Try going to the casino in cairns.

3 floors.

Red Bull & Vodka
1st floor: $9
2nd Floor: $12
3rd Floor: $14

WTF!

:

[XR6_661]

Honestly though...It completly has me baffled, to the point where I even asked why. To which the bartender refused to serve me another drink and I was escorted out.

But seriously...Can't a bloke get ****ed these days without giving his left kahonie and a thumb?

This is as un-australian as watering down beer at the local, and as chopper would say, more un-australian then getting compo you actually deserve.

Bloody...Bloody!

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Well they should ban alchahol as well and let the underworld control it. Just because the government sais your not allowed to do something doesn't mean that people wont. Look at the amount of illegal drugs that are around in our country.

So we Ban the Underworld, Prostitutes, Organised Crime.

Do Random Drug testing in the Streets, clean up the Country from all Drugs.

Then once clean Heavily Police the Airports & Shipping Ports.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

So we Ban the Underworld, Prostitutes, Organised Crime.

Do Random Drug testing in the Streets, clean up the Country from all Drugs.

Then once clean Heavily Police the Airports & Shipping Ports.

Might as well go the whole hog, ban everything. Make people buy a certificate to buy a car (lets say 15,000 aussie). Close pubs and clubs down. make gambling illegal, contact sports are completly banned, etc....

Oh lets microchip everyone and have camera's everywhere so we can keep everyone 'safe'.

Tax petrol and gas and diesel even more so more people will use public transport.

What else could we do.....