Victoria to hide Speed Cameras

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Your wrong trublu its ok for people to speed and be caught aslong as its by a policeman in a car if its by a camera then its wrong apparently because people dont speed after being caught by policeman. However they do continuing speeding for months a camera catches them till they receive there fine? An odd logic

There just isn't enough Police to control all the *******, let alone ******* on the road

Don't speed, simple really

I did nearly 600k's for 3 different appoints yesterday, one in Port Melbourne, one is Kilsyth and one in Seymour and I live in Shepparton and had no need to speed once, and unsurprisingly didn't get booked.

[mik]

Originally Posted by MAD

When I read that, I automatically assumed that "Objective" = Raise money.



What a load of crap this is. It will allow cars to parade as work/construction vehicles with tradie gear in the back.


Why focus on grabbing the mum and dad's that occasionally creep over the limit.The fopcus needs to be on getting the mesaage across about actual dangerous driving.


Who's up for a non-violent protest on the Monash @ 30km/h? Say a week from now at about 7am?

You have to be a bit cynical about all this, while having the law hiding in the bushes waitng for an offender is not a new thing, it is hard to fathom how it is not a money making game if there is no visual deterrent,
I mean after all it is supposed to be about the publics safety so they keep telling us, if a bloke on one of these dangerous sections sees no one and no law/camera cars and decides to get a bit adventurous with the go pedal and wraps it around a tree, ì'm sure a bill in the mail 2 weeks later is gonna do him or his family a lot of good.

[lucas2]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Not being smart here, but do you understand the difference between State Governments and Federal Governments? AMEP have been elected into the Federal Government, speed camera's are a State Government domain

I'm not overly savvy with politics, I figured that the bloke elected to represent the AMEP is from Victoria and may have some sort of say in it, but obviously not. I also thought that since the guys from grunt files/AMEP had such a big campaign about the targeting of modified cars in QLD, including meeting with police and politicians over the matter; that they may be able to do the same down in VIC.

[MercurySilver]

yeah because all the goody two shoes preaching about DONT speed have never found themselves looking down at the speedo and been 3 to 5 kms over, i mean never, not in the 20 to 30 years youve been driving, never happened and never well...right?

absolute rubbish

ps
they've been hiding for years behind trees, backing up peoples driveways in rural areas

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

yeah because all the goody two shoes preaching about DONT speed have never found themselves looking down at the speedo and been 3 to 5 kms over, i mean never, not in the 20 to 30 years youve been driving, never happened and never well...right?

absolute rubbish

ps
they've been hiding for years behind trees, backing up peoples driveways in rural areas

The new Ford Falcons are the only car that I have seen where the speedo's are reasonably accurate

People go on about "3 to 5 kms over", but in reality (unless they are driving a new Falcon) then their speedo's will reading 108/109 or 66/68 to be "3 to 5 kms over" by the camera's, that is if you consider and add in the average of 5% variation in speedo's. So don't crap on about "3 to 5 kms over", their speedo's will be telling a different story.

Some over emotional types might believe your bull-**** of "3 to 5 kms over" but it doesn't wash with the educated ones

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

The new Ford Falcons are the only car that I have seen where the speedo's are reasonably accurate

People go on about "3 to 5 kms over", but in reality (unless they are driving a new Falcon) then their speedo's will reading 108/109 or 66/68 to be "3 to 5 kms over" by the camera's, that is if you consider and add in the average of 5% variation in speedo's. So don't crap on about "3 to 5 kms over", their speedo's will be telling a different story.

Some over emotional types might believe your bull-**** of "3 to 5 kms over" but it doesn't wash with the educated ones

There's a lot more to the speedo reading than it's factory accuracy.

And coming from someone that used to work in manufacturing of them, it wasn't all that long ago that that tolerance went both ways. So if you have a car old enough, it's VERY possible that your speedo could be out the other way.

I should also point out, my ute has a reading of 103 when it's at 100. Going down an incline she'll easily attempt to get up to 110 without any encouragement by me (ie: my foot is off the accelerator completely). Since the biggest issue here is the fact they're now setting up at the bottom of hills, yeah, it's very easy to get caught speeding when you're not a "hoon" or "speedster"

[Spurious]

I will confess I've been booked twice in 3 years. Combined penalty amount of $270. That's enough to make me take a lot more care when behind the wheel. So I guess the "don't speed" message gets through...to some.

I almost got done earlier in 2013. Heading to a gardening job with a box trailer in tow. I chose that day not to use cruise control. The system tends to over power when going up hills & changes gears too often for my liking, especially in a head wind with a ladder on the trailer rack.

I made a poor decision to overtake a van that was doing about 105 kph in a 110 zone up a slight incline, as I leveled out on the crest of the hill still in the right hand lane (dual carriageway) I spotted the camera tripod off on the left shoulder at the end of an armco railing. The operator had his 4x4 parked out of sight down a slope behind the railing. I glanced at my speedo & was horrified to see 120'ish kph.

I waited patiently for my fine to arrive via post, it never came. I figured I had been sitting on 119kph & the operator must have had the tolerance set a smidge higher.

I was lucky that day, it could have easily been another $120 to $140 fine.
To go anywhere outside my home town I need to use the Bass hwy (110kph zone) & I now use cruise control every time I'm on it. If I have the trailer on back I set cruise to just over 100kph & watch it when climbing hills.

It also looks bad for the individual when he/she get's stopped by a cop for speeding & the cop checks the onboard PC & see's a string of previous fines for the same thing. You won't be let off easy if that's the case.
It's so simple not to speed but we're all in a hurry eh'.

[SB076]

Originally Posted by FlivverFord

Well said, but people don't care. They need something to whinge about, might get bored otherwise.
I don'e flash my lights to warn of speed cameras anymore. If you speed & get nabbed, shame on you & stiff bickies. Sucks to be you.

The government should grow a pair and call them what they are, revenue raisers.

If you want to call them safety cams, put them in black spots, add a sign and do something constructive.

If you want revenue, hide them and put them on roads where you get a high return ($)

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Lotte

There's a lot more to the speedo reading than it's factory accuracy.

And coming from someone that used to work in manufacturing of them, it wasn't all that long ago that that tolerance went both ways. So if you have a car old enough, it's VERY possible that your speedo could be out the other way.

I should also point out, my ute has a reading of 103 when it's at 100. Going down an incline she'll easily attempt to get up to 110 without any encouragement by me (ie: my foot is off the accelerator completely). Since the biggest issue here is the fact they're now setting up at the bottom of hills, yeah, it's very easy to get caught speeding when you're not a "hoon" or "speedster"

you and I both know that the vast majority of cars have speedo's that read on the low side, I have driven hundreds of cars of all different brands over the last 15-20 years and I have never come across one on the high side, these were all standard cars with standard wheels / rims, start putting 18" to 20" on them then things may change however, it is incumbent on you to ensure your speedo is not going to get you into trouble.

[Franco Cozzo]

Focus is doing 95 verified by GPS on flat road at indicated 100km/h. It does 103 at 110 indocated.

But at 60km indicated its actually doing 58, its odd, its out by different amounts depending on speed not just a flat few km/h everywhere.

[jmack]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

There just isn't enough Police to control all the *******, let alone ******* on the road

Don't speed, simple really

I did nearly 600k's for 3 different appoints yesterday, one in Port Melbourne, one is Kilsyth and one in Seymour and I live in Shepparton and had no need to speed once, and unsurprisingly didn't get booked.

the thing is you wont know for prob 2 weeks if u have,thats the point ill cop getting booked on the spot,but 2 weeks after the fact thats not going to save anyone if a drugged out dick goes speeding past a camera and kills someone then in 2 weeks gets a fine for speeding.more presence on the road is the only deterrent then they can get the dangerous drivers not indicating,running stop,giveway,roundabouts etc instead of the worst crim in the world that travels 2ks over the limit

[Peter B - CV8]

Hiding cameras & placing them at the bottom of a hill just doesn't seem like fair play to me. In fact it's down right unAustralian to act in such an underhand & grubby way.
Personally, I've got no problems fining someone if their acting like a complete dick (ie 20kph over the limit, cutting in & out of traffic, tailgating etc), but for the general motorist just plodding along & 5kph over what's the problem ???

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

you and I both know that the vast majority of cars have speedo's that read on the low side, I have driven hundreds of cars of all different brands over the last 15-20 years and I have never come across one on the high side, these were all standard cars with standard wheels / rims, start putting 18" to 20" on them then things may change however, it is incumbent on you to ensure your speedo is not going to get you into trouble.

Which addresses one issue - speedos. I've come across quite a few that read high, stock, and they weren't old either.

Doesn't change my main point, about inclins though.

I will ask you one thing Trevor, and I'm not trying to be a smart ****, but do you watch your speedo 100% of your journey? That's the only way you can claim you never speed.

[Sorted]

For oh&s reasons they say lol

Then why don't they put reflective warning tape on the camera cars, witches hats around them and crash barriers like they do with road works.

Also I am sure they should add signs advising slow down danger ahead, maybe even flashing yellow warning lights.

What a crock of **** OH&S lol

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Lotte

Which addresses one issue - speedos. I've come across quite a few that read high, stock, and they weren't old either.

Doesn't change my main point, about inclins though.

I will ask you one thing Trevor, and I'm not trying to be a smart ****, but do you watch your speedo 100% of your journey? That's the only way you can claim you never speed.

I do watch it a lot, because I am aware of the limits and cruise control is your friend even in towns where appropriate.

But remember I have been trained to drive to a lot higher standards than most people in here, so paying attention to the whole driving process is standard for me

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I do watch it a lot, because I am aware of the limits and cruise control is your friend even in towns where appropriate.

But remember I have been trained to drive to a lot higher standards than most people in here, so paying attention to the whole driving process is standard for me

Training has nothing to do with it but paying attention does when driving.
Not a hard task to do.

I've been caught speeding numerous times when I was young & deserved the penalties but for the last 25 years clean slate because I pay attention & do the right thing driving, as I said no excuses.

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by trublu

Training has nothing to do with it but paying attention does when driving.
Not a hard task to do.

I've been caught speeding numerous times when I was young & deserved the penalties but for the last 25 years clean slate because I pay attention & do the right thing driving, as I said no excuses.

Here's a scenario for you.
Single lane highway, 100km/h limit. You're travelling along at the limit, paying attention when you come to a windy bit of road and catch up with 2 slower vehicles towing caravans, doing 85km/h.
You follow behind until a safe place to overtake presents itself. You indicate, pull into the right lane and accelerate up to 100km/h, so as to avoid breaking any law. As it is now not windy as you speed up they also increase their speed back up to 100km/h (as they sometimes do). Suddenly you aren't overtaking them, merely travelling beside them on the wrong side of the road.

A car suddenly appears over a crest coming towards you. If the slower vehicles had of maintained their current speed when you started the overtaking move you would have made it back over safely, however as this has now changed you judge that you won't make it back in time without increasing your speed instantly to make it safely back.
The other alternatives are to either force your way back in by cutting one of them off, or braking extremely hard to allow them to clear you so you can pull back in behind. Bearing in mind these drivers have already shown that they are not fully aware of their surroundings.
What would you do?

Would that be considered a reasonable excuse to speed, to avoid a potential head-on collision?

[Bill M]

Do agree with the sentiment of no excuses if you are caught breaking the posted speed limits. However in many places (Victoria) the traffic will travel in excess of the limit by about 10% and you have to drive accordingly in the flow.
That is a fact of life. I would think that most thinking drivers would not get booked all that often , once 2-3 years?

The point I disagree with is the Govt. narrow focus on speeding to the detriment of other laws. I have seen babies on laps often and Hand held phone use while driving is rampant but doesn't generate terribly much for state revenue in the way of fines.
Yeah sure the "don't speed and you won't get fined" brigade are right but there are bigger issues that simple statements don't address.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sorted

For oh&s reasons they say lol

Then why don't they put reflective warning tape on the camera cars, witches hats around them and crash barriers like they do with road works.

Also I am sure they should add signs advising slow down danger ahead, maybe even flashing yellow warning lights.

What a crock of **** OH&S lol

OHS Act 2004, Section 31:

Duties of persons installing, erecting or commissioning plant

OHS Regulations 2007:

Section 3.5.34
Section 3.5.35

Mobile plant regulations, employees should be in high vis clothes, cam car should have orange beacons on and should be guarded off from everyone lol. I don't see that on their cars, someone call Worksafe on them!

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Matty4

Here's a scenario for you.
Single lane highway, 100km/h limit. You're travelling along at the limit, paying attention when you come to a windy bit of road and catch up with 2 slower vehicles towing caravans, doing 85km/h.
You follow behind until a safe place to overtake presents itself. You indicate, pull into the right lane and accelerate up to 100km/h, so as to avoid breaking any law. As it is now not windy as you speed up they also increase their speed back up to 100km/h (as they sometimes do). Suddenly you aren't overtaking them, merely travelling beside them on the wrong side of the road.

A car suddenly appears over a crest coming towards you. If the slower vehicles had of maintained their current speed when you started the overtaking move you would have made it back over safely, however as this has now changed you judge that you won't make it back in time without increasing your speed instantly to make it safely back.
The other alternatives are to either force your way back in by cutting one of them off, or braking extremely hard to allow them to clear you so you can pull back in behind. Bearing in mind these drivers have already shown that they are not fully aware of their surroundings.
What would you do?

Would that be considered a reasonable excuse to speed, to avoid a potential head-on collision?

I understand what you are saying, my comment goes to the ones who blatantly disregards the law but whinge when they get caught.

[Franco Cozzo]

https://www.facebook.com/MelbourneRe...ocation=stream

These guys give out regular updates of mobile cameras all over Melbourne, might be worth making a facebook account for it.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

OHS Act 2004, Section 31:

Duties of persons installing, erecting or commissioning plant

OHS Regulations 2007:

Section 3.5.34
Section 3.5.35

Mobile plant regulations, employees should be in high vis clothes, cam car should have orange beacons on and should be guarded off from everyone lol. I don't see that on their cars, someone call Worksafe on them!

how about posting up the definition of 'plant'

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

how about posting up the definition of 'plant'

OHS Act 2004:

"plant"
includes—
(a) any machinery, equipment, appliance,
implement and tool; and
(b) any component of any of those things;
and
(c) anything fitted, c
onnected or related to
any of those things;

OHS Regulations 2007:

powered mobile plant means plant that is provided with some form of self propulsion that is ordinarily under the direct control of an operator;

My Ambulance is considered "plant" and has a tag saying so so why wouldn't a speed camera car?

There is also an employee, an employer and a "workplace" so they should be fair game and have to have beacons on them, or have signs telling you they are there or are operating in the area.

"workplace" means a place, whether or not in a building or structure, where employees or self-employed persons work.

Speed cameras are, after all a safety initiative, right? So I'm sure they will have no problem in the name of safety to don the orange beacons, operators wearing high vis clothes and their vehicle covered with all the reflective stickers.

[icantgetthis]

Nothing beats the flashing red and blue in your rearview mirror along with a chirp of the siren to make people think twice about doing the wrong thing..

Money cameras simply tell you that you have done somethong"wrong" weeks after its happened while you "may" have continued to do in those couple of weeks.

Sent from the Phablet

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by icantgetthis

Money cameras simply tell you that you have done somethong"wrong" weeks after its happened while you "may" have continued to do in those couple of weeks.

a bit like under-cover drug and gang policing really, why don't people complain about them?

[icantgetthis]

I just know I **** myself when I see the red and blue in my mirror. Especially when I know I was doing something silly...lol

Certainly pull my head in for a while after that.

Sent from the Phablet

[The G6ET Spot]

Looks as though they may even wipe the dust off these

[EBII Fairmont]

Originally Posted by Matty4

Here's a scenario for you.
Single lane highway, 100km/h limit. You're travelling along at the limit, paying attention when you come to a windy bit of road and catch up with 2 slower vehicles towing caravans, doing 85km/h.
You follow behind until a safe place to overtake presents itself. You indicate, pull into the right lane and accelerate up to 100km/h, so as to avoid breaking any law. As it is now not windy as you speed up they also increase their speed back up to 100km/h (as they sometimes do). Suddenly you aren't overtaking them, merely travelling beside them on the wrong side of the road.

A car suddenly appears over a crest coming towards you. If the slower vehicles had of maintained their current speed when you started the overtaking move you would have made it back over safely, however as this has now changed you judge that you won't make it back in time without increasing your speed instantly to make it safely back.
The other alternatives are to either force your way back in by cutting one of them off, or braking extremely hard to allow them to clear you so you can pull back in behind. Bearing in mind these drivers have already shown that they are not fully aware of their surroundings.
What would you do?

Would that be considered a reasonable excuse to speed, to avoid a potential head-on collision?

This is why I am convinced politicians could not care less about the road toll. I had this happen not long ago and decided in the end to put my license on the line to keep life in tact due to some moron in their 4wd towing their boat.

I think we should protest. I have seen cameras set up on tripods, how hard is it to cover it with a box? It's not damaging or vandalising the camera. The other I like is when people put signs on power polls before the speed camera warning everyone. There are other ways of protesting than doing 30km on the Monash.

I'd rather see them target people who are really speeding and especially the ones who cut red lights. I have seen this happen to often lately and I am scared of someone putting the nose into my door. :(

[Silver Ghia]

When I renewed my licence early last year for another 10 years, I received a $40 discount (approx) as I did not get any demerit points during the previous 3 years. At the time I thought maybe they should double that discount if there were no demerit points over the previous 10 years, as a further incentive for drivers to obey the road rules. I would have qualified.

But alas, just to prove that the Vic government is more interested in $$$ than road safety, they have recently discontinued this discount incentive altogether. They must need every dollar they can get.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by The G6ET Spot

Looks as though they may even wipe the dust off these

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Haha ... no speeding on collection day hey?