Auction Immaculate HO3

[98TLS]

Originally Posted by arronm

True over 50s know these cars

A 40 year old got their license in 1995. To them a 1971 XY is just an old rust bucket.

Well thats the 40 years old sorted then Better tell my mates young fella hes wasting his time with his recently purchased XT cause some kent posted on the internet only those twice his age know there cars.

[Pepscobra]

So $1.03M would have to be a new sales record for a HO?
Is the sale verified?

[zoesgift]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

So $1.03M would have to be a new sales record for a HO?
Is the sale verified?

for a select few such sums of money are chump change....if someone has spent that coin on a non matching numbers restored some years ago ph3 then they have just burnt some money....odds are the car will be officially sold until the glossy magazines have published, read prostituted, the car has sold and the scene in australia in such vehicles is bubbling along bucking the rest of the world etc only for the car to later be said to have been passed in. like the black rpo coupe. just a marketing exercise sadly.....happy to be put to the sword if it turns out the car did in fact sell for over $1 million

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by zoesgift

for a select few such sums of money are chump change....if someone has spent that coin on a non matching numbers restored some years ago ph3 then they have just burnt some money....odds are the car will be officially sold until the glossy magazines have published, read prostituted, the car has sold and the scene in australia in such vehicles is bubbling along bucking the rest of the world etc only for the car to later be said to have been passed in. like the black rpo coupe. just a marketing exercise sadly.....happy to be put to the sword if it turns out the car did in fact sell for over $1 million

Got to agree. I'm also curious if the car did actually sell?

Cheers Mick

[Mercury Bullet]

Vendor bidding?

[zoesgift]

you would think so. even now there are a number of ph3s much better than this one, overpriced nevertheless, that are better than the car that went thru "a Lloyds auction" yesterday, available for sale

[mr smith]

Most of these auction houses just sell rubbish. The real good stuff changes hands outside the market, through clubs, specialists or word of mouth.

[xmcoupe]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Got to agree. I'm also curious if the car did actually sell?

Cheers Mick

Interesting question. If it didn't sell, Lloyds would have missed out on the buyers premium - that in itself is a lot money.

[zoesgift]

as a good mate mentioned to me earlier today. this sort of auction result whether its real or bogus, sends the wrong messages to the public. the best cars tend to change hands for realistic sums without reaching the internet in many cases....if people are seriously in the market for a muscle car, the best thing to do, is get around to some shows and club meetings and learn who is who in the zoo. if you are genuine, you will get to meet the right people and often get your hands on a good car, without being fleeced....it just might take some time but patience is a virtue they say

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So I gather the K just means it was a 351? Presumably the Blocks were stamped before being built??

So was the "H" all HO Engines?
Was there anything to distinguish those that has been through the extra QC/"blueprint" process??

Hello,you are correct about the H code,351-4V heads HO.

The K code is 351-2V heads.

The T code is 351-4V heads.

And all HO's had a transmission code "L" for 4 speed manual gearbox.

And some had missprinted codes on the tag and letters and numbers actually missing?

And all XYGT's had a body prefix and serial number that corresponded to the ID plate stamped on the radiator support panel on the passenger side!

Cheers Billy.

[zoesgift]

hmmmm someone may have burnt some money....I might start preparing some humble pie.

[slowsnake]

Hello,
Just a little bit more about the designation " HO "
Most think its either " Handling Option "...Bigger springs and swaybar,or more suitably " High Output "..but in reality it meant neither!
So what did it really mean?...well it meant " Homologation Option ", and that is exactly what it meant,apparently you could not insure the car for street use as it was classified as a race/track car!

Cheers Billy.

[Peter B - CV8]

Never heard of anyone having problems insuring their new GTHO. Apart from paying a much higher premium/driver age restrictions.

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by xmcoupe

Interesting question. If it didn't sell, Lloyds would have missed out on the buyers premium - that in itself is a lot money.

Just heard on the 12:00pm news, on the radio. That the Phase 3,has sold for One Million Dollars. This has set a new record for selling Australian Muscle Cars.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Peter B - CV8

Never heard of anyone having problems insuring their new GTHO. Apart from paying a much higher premium/driver age restrictions.

Hello,
They did in 1969,but it wasn't really public knowledge, if it was they would of sold no new cars!
Brian Baldwin told me,he was the dealership manager for a major Sydney Ford dealership (not his,that was later),and I was a first year apprentice motor mechanic there.
I probably drove more GTHO XW Fords as a 16 yr old than most folk had hot dinners!

Cheers Billy.

PS..And every second car sold had a few tins of STP shoved in it to quieten noisy valve train and tappets,and that is a real on the job fact,I did all the PD's (pre-delivery) with the one mechanic who worked on them!
Some took 3 tins.Only one mechanic did the GTHO cars.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by zoesgift

you would think so. even now there are a number of ph3s much better than this one, overpriced nevertheless, that are better than the car that went thru "a Lloyds auction" yesterday, available for sale

The sale that I didn’t quite believe was that someone paid 75k for the bf cobra Ute with 5000kms. You can pay 10k less for one on Carsales with less kms.

[Giant Cranium]

Some other dungas that’s where there

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hello,
Just a little bit more about the designation " HO "
Most think its either " Handling Option "...Bigger springs and swaybar,or more suitably " High Output "..but in reality it meant neither!
So what did it really mean?...well it meant " Homologation Option ", and that is exactly what it meant,apparently you could not insure the car for street use as it was classified as a race/track car!

Cheers Billy.

If you are going to pass things off as fact at least get the facts right.

It was handling option.

[Rico 110s]

I hope this sheds some light...

https://www.9news.com.au/motoring/20...tion-caradvice

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If you are going to pass things off as fact at least get the facts right.

It was handling option.

Sorry oh mighty master,but you are wrong,dead wrong,and I would take Brian Baldwin over "Bossxr8" any day of the year,sorry to not know as much as such a majestic know it all as yourself!

Cheers Mr Factual

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hello,you are correct about the H code,351-4V heads HO.

The K code is 351-2V heads.

The T code is 351-4V heads.

And all HO's had a transmission code "L" for 4 speed manual gearbox.

And some had missprinted codes on the tag and letters and numbers actually missing?

And all XYGT's had a body prefix and serial number that corresponded to the ID plate stamped on the radiator support panel on the passenger side!

Cheers Billy.

'V' is venturi (4 barrel or 2 barrel carb)

nothing to do with the heads

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Rico 110s

I hope this sheds some light...

https://www.9news.com.au/motoring/20...tion-caradvice

Hello,
You would have to be either a fool or have too much money to spend, on car that you can build yourself (replica), from an old Ford 500 shell?..for what $25-30 thousand?

They are not really for looking at but driving,they are a drivers car,that's why there are only a hundred left.
But its just too much money Rico!

Cheers Billy.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

'V' is venturi (4 barrel or 2 barrel carb)

nothing to do with the heads

Not strictly true. In the 'original' Cleveland 351 V8s, the 4V carburettored engines had much larger head ports than the 2V carburettored versions.

Dr Terry

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

'V' is venturi (4 barrel or 2 barrel carb)

nothing to do with the heads

Hello,
I totally agree?..now what was the question to your answer?
V has always stood for venturi?

Cheers Billy.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Not strictly true. In the 'original' Cleveland 351 V8s, the 4V carburettored engines had much larger head ports than the 2V carburettored versions.

Dr Terry

T code has never changed - 351 CID 4V (4bbl)

nothing to do with the heads

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Sorry oh mighty master,but you are wrong,dead wrong,and I would take Brian Baldwin over "Bossxr8" any day of the year,sorry to not know as much as such a majestic know it all as yourself!

Cheers Mr Factual

Yeah-nup. Sorry Billy-banjo, it was handling option.

Originally Posted by pottery beige

'V' is venturi (4 barrel or 2 barrel carb)

nothing to do with the heads

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Not strictly true. In the 'original' Cleveland 351 V8s, the 4V carburettored engines had much larger head ports than the 2V carburettored versions.

Dr Terry

Originally Posted by pottery beige

T code has never changed - 351 CID 4V (4bbl)

nothing to do with the heads

Never ceases to amaze me - 4V was 4BBL carby, zip to do with port size

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Not strictly true. In the 'original' Cleveland 351 V8s, the 4V carburettored engines had much larger head ports than the 2V carburettored versions.

Dr Terry

Hello,
Too true Doc,plus a whole lot of other different things including valves and chambers,but you can run a four barrel on a 2V head and some two barrel carbs are pretty well up to running on 4V heads!
But there are better heads around than 4VClevo,its an Aussie thing I think,but if you want to copy or replicate an Australian Muscle car then you have to do the internals as well as it "looking" the part.

Cheers Billy.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

T code has never changed - 351 CID 4V (4bbl)

nothing to do with the heads

Hello,
We have already established that?

Cheers Billy.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hello,
Too true Doc,plus a whole lot of other different things including valves and chambers,but you can run a four barrel on a 2V head and some two barrel carbs are pretty well up to running on 4V heads!
But there are better heads around than 4VClevo,its an Aussie thing I think,but if you want to copy or replicate an Australian Muscle car then you have to do the internals as well as it "looking" the part.

Cheers Billy.

I believe the 4V/2V head thing only applies to US built Clevelands. All Aussie Clevelands have the smaller 2V sized heads, regardless of the carby fitted.

Dr Terry

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Yeah-nup. Sorry Billy-banjo, it was handling option

Never ceases to amaze me - 4V was 4BBL carby, zip to do with port size [/QUOTE]

Hello,
No need to be sorry,what for?
Did you know you can buy Boss302CHO heads,the HO means " High Output "
But Ford Australia could not use words like High Output or anything close to more or superior power,surely you must remember the early 70's and having to queue up for fuel for 5 miles just to get 5 bloody gallons, just for work for the week,and all these idiot 18 yr olds buying,driving and dieing in V8 missiles?

Cheers,King Billy to you!