Is The GMC Sierra Denali The Safest Towing Vehicle ? - Page 3

Junkyard-Dog · 19-02-2019, 05:19 PM

13T caravan -

3T - caravan
10T - mobile drugs lab.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

I want to see this 13T caravan unless its made by Prevost.

https://luxefifthwheel.com/rv/luxury...eel-toy-hauler

http://www.drvsuites.com/full-house-...oor-plans.html

Both at 11 tonnes when fully loaded to their max carrying capacity. Just need 💰 💰 💰

roKWiz · 19-02-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

https://luxefifthwheel.com/rv/luxury...eel-toy-hauler

http://www.drvsuites.com/full-house-...oor-plans.html

Both at 11 tonnes when fully loaded to their max carrying capacity. Just need ��

Nice, wouldn't mind one of those to pull behind Louie. I guess they would be 9fters ?? width so wouldn't come here.

prydey · 19-02-2019, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

lol, cant believe it took this many posts before someone stated the obvious.

Unfortunately that doesnt suit the narrative some like to follow in order to discredit something they dont appreciate.

Not quite.

My comments are from a legal standpoint, not how well the gmc will handle the load.

Like I said earlier, these cars get derated to 4491kg gvm so they can be driven on a car licence. This robs them of most of their legal payload.

You end up with a massive car but can actually be worse off legally.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Nice, wouldn't mind one of those to pull behind Louie. I guess they would be 9fters ?? width so wouldn't come here.

8.5’ is the max width in most US states, so it’s probably right at that. Only 9.1cm wider than the max Australian width.

roKWiz · 19-02-2019, 06:17 PM

Yeah just re read the link, 101in wide bodies

BENT_8 · 19-02-2019, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

You end up with a massive car but can actually be worse off legally.

And all of that information is available to the prospective buyer and if it suits their needs under those terms and they want to, they can.
Wheres the problem?

roKWiz · 19-02-2019, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Not quite.

Like I said earlier, these cars get derated to 4491kg gvm so they can be driven on a car licence. This robs them of most of their legal payload.

You end up with a massive car but can actually be worse off legally.

Or you can upgrade your licence to Light truck.
The original link OP posted is about a 6 wheel medium duty pick up.

BENT_8 · 19-02-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Or you can upgrade your licence to Light truck.

Exactly.

prydey · 19-02-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

And all of that information is available to the prospective buyer and if it suits their needs under those terms and they want to, they can.
Wheres the problem?

Actually many times you have to actually look for the info. You'd be surprised how many people are not aware that there are legalities surrounding payload, axle loading etc. They get their info from a salesman who just wants a sale.

Not related to the vehicle in the OP, but a few LC200 owners traded their cars in on the new dodge ram only to find they could no longer legally tow their large van.

prydey · 19-02-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Or you can upgrade your licence to Light truck.
The original link OP posted is about a 6 wheel medium duty pick up.

Yes I realise it's off topic but upgrading your licence doesn't change the vehicle specs.

The vehicle in the OP will never be sold here anyway so it's all a moot point.

BENT_8 · 19-02-2019, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Actually many times you have to actually look for the info. You'd be surprised how many people are not aware that there are legalities surrounding payload, axle loading etc. They get their info from a salesman who just wants a sale.

Not related to the vehicle in the OP, but a few LC200 owners traded their cars in on the new dodge ram only to find they could no longer legally tow their large van.

And who's fault is that?

Do your homework, take responsibility for it.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Actually many times you have to actually look for the info. You'd be surprised how many people are not aware that there are legalities surrounding payload, axle loading etc. They get their info from a salesman who just wants a sale.

Not related to the vehicle in the OP, but a few LC200 owners traded their cars in on the new dodge ram only to find they could no longer legally tow their large van.

Links? Ram 1500 is rated to pull 4,500kg in Australia. 1000kg more than the LC200. Now the coil sprung rear suspension is soft for heavy leads, but you’re only talking 10% tongue weight. Also, longer wheelbase and a wider track is better for towing. Sorry but I find it hard to believe the LC200 is a better towing machine. That being said, they should have bought a 2500 anyway. Or even better, a Ford or Chevy.

roKWiz · 19-02-2019, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Actually many times you have to actually look for the info. You'd be surprised how many people are not aware that there are legalities surrounding payload, axle loading etc. They get their info from a salesman who just wants a sale.

Not related to the vehicle in the OP, but a few LC200 owners traded their cars in on the new dodge ram only to find they could no longer legally tow their large van.

Hence buy a bigger vehicle (preferably dual rear wheels) with a longer WB upgrade your licence and you will not fall foul of the law. I've read so many hard done by caravanner crying poor cause they got ripped off buying the wrong vehicle for an obvious job.
It's about time they started getting these overloaded grey nomad combinations off the road.

BENT_8 · 19-02-2019, 06:44 PM

Old mate the Isuzu dealer across the road was telling me he got stung recently when he sold a Dmax to a customer, when they arrived to pick it up they had their van in tow.
Now they'd told him they were buying it to tow a van, told him the weight of the van, but didnt tell him it was front heavy so when they dropped it on the back of the Dmax it dropped on its guts and they went off.
They're now up for a suspension upgrade and arent happy.

Who's at fault, the salesman for selling them a vehicle they enquired about or the customer for not doing their homework and striking it from their list if not suitable.
They approached him.

I worked in a caravan sales yard and the things people rolled up with towing big vans was eye opening to say the least, but you can only tell them so much, at the end of the day its up to them to make sure they're compliant.
Some of the big Silverline's or Sterlings dwarf dual cabs, i wouldnt feel safe pulling them in anything but perfect conditions.
I had to pick up a 26' Jayco in a GU Patrol and out on the northern expressway which has terrible crosswinds was the most hair raising experience i've ever had towing and i've driven tautliners and 57 seat coaches down the same piece of bitumen without batting an eyelid.

prydey · 19-02-2019, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Links? Ram 1500 is rated to pull 4,500kg in Australia. 1000kg more than the LC200. Now the coil sprung rear suspension is soft for heavy leads, but you’re only talking 10% tongue weight. Also, longer wheelbase and a wider track is better for towing. Sorry but I find it hard to believe the LC200 is a better towing machine. That being said, they should have bought a 2500 anyway. Or even better, a Ford or Chevy.

Ram 1500 has max rear axle rating of 1770kg. Pathetic for the size of the vehicle. Payload is less than 900kg also. Nearly 200kg less than a std lc200.

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

And who's fault is that?

Do your homework, take responsibility for it.

Not quite sure what you are arguing? I'm pointing out some of the shortfalls of the vehicle. I don't care who bought what or for what reason.

Some of these cars, from a legal standpoint, have massive flaws. That is all.

roKWiz · 19-02-2019, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Some of these cars, from a legal standpoint, have massive flaws. That is all.

And dual cab Rangers, Mazda's, Narvana, Triton don't.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Ram 1500 has max rear axle rating of 1770kg. Pathetic for the size of the vehicle. Payload is less than 900kg also. Nearly 200kg less than a std lc200.

Not quite sure what you are arguing? I'm pointing out some of the shortfalls of the vehicle. I don't care who bought what or for what reason.

Some of these cars, from a legal standpoint, have massive flaws. That is all.

Yes it’s ****ty payload, everyone knows that. That doesn’t mean the LC200 is a better tow vehicle. Especially if you’re arguing from your standpoint of legality. The fact is 3500kg isn’t more than 4500kg. But now you’re making the case FOR the 2020 GMC 3500. It’s bigger, heavier, more powerful, torquier, longer wheelbase, wider track, higher payload, bigger towing capacity, exhaust brake, 8 lug axles. Either suck it up and get your truck license or get the de-rated 2500 version.

prydey · 19-02-2019, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Yes it’s ****ty payload, everyone knows that. That doesn’t mean the LC200 is a better tow vehicle. Especially if you’re arguing from your standpoint of legality. .

Well, like I said, the rear axle rating makes it nigh on impossible to legally tow 3.5t on an overhung hitch. The lc200 can. It's just maths, nothing more nothing less.

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

And dual cab Rangers, Mazda's, Narvana, Triton don't.

Who is arguing they are better?? I think some people are getting the wrong idea.

I said up front, if you want to tow a big load, buy a truck.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Well, like I said, the rear axle rating makes it nigh on impossible to legally tow 3.5t on an overhung hitch. The lc200 can. It's just maths, nothing more nothing less

The rear GAWR on both are so close it’s not even funny. 1863kg for the Ram 1500, 2000kg for the LC200. On 3500kg, you’re talking about 350kg of tongue weight/payload. If you’re pushing the limits that much, why are you considering a 1500 OR a LC200 with such a short wheelbase? Why aren’t you looking at a 2500? Your arguments make no sense. You indicated your real objection in your first post:

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Originally Posted by prydey

Looks like typical American **** to me.

You’re just grasping for anything you can to justify your irrational opinion. You’re entiled to believe whatever you want. Just don’t think you’re fooling anyone.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

if you want to tow a big load, buy a truck.

It is a Class 3 truck. Buy a Land Cruiser....buy a semi...buy a Japanese cab forward...I don’t have a need to drive a truck, but take my advice anyway lol 😂

prydey · 19-02-2019, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

The rear GAWR on both are so close it’s not even funny. 1863kg for the Ram 1500, 2000kg for the LC200. On 3500kg, you’re talking about 350kg of tongue weight/payload. If you’re pushing the limits that much, why are you considering a 1500 OR a LC200 with such a short wheelbase? Why aren’t you looking at a 2500? Your arguments make no sense. You indicated your real objection in your first post:

You’re just grasping for anything you can to justify your irrational opinion. You’re entiled to believe whatever you want. Just don’t think you’re fooling anyone.

Getting personal much?

Yes, I'm in Australia and often Australians think certain things about Americans need to oversize everything, hence my original comment. It wasn't directed at anyone.

As for everything else, it's just numbers. I'm not after any of these vehicles. Just pointing out that some aren't really an upgrade from a legal perspective.

chevypower · 19-02-2019, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Getting personal much?

Getting bad grammar much? You are certainly influenced by American pop culture to adopt that line. Not getting personal, I’m a critical thinker and if I find flaws in your arguments, I will point them out. It’s not your lack of experience with the subject that is the most ridiculous, it’s the inconsistencies. It’s like if it’s too big for a Land Cruiser, then I need a semi, even though you don’t like to “oversize everything.” 😂😂😂

prydey · 19-02-2019, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Getting bad grammar much? You are certainly influenced by American pop culture to adopt that line. Not getting personal, I’m a critical thinker and if I find flaws in your arguments, I will point them out. It’s not your lack of experience with the subject that is the most ridiculous, it’s the inconsistencies. It’s like if it’s too big for a Land Cruiser, then I need a semi, even though you don’t like to “oversize everything.” 😂😂😂

I think you need to re read the thread.

My thoughts about the vehicle are my opinion, which we are all entitled to.

The points I made regarding legal weights are facts. You don't have to like them.

hayseed · 19-02-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

mike_nofx, Me neither, with load tub hanging out behind the rear wheels.

The biggest thing people ignore with Towing Particulary with riceburner Dualcabs.
Is that the Towball load is included in the payload..

chevypower · 20-02-2019, 04:59 AM

And the big block wars could be making a comeback...

https://www.tfltruck.com/2019/02/rum...-displacement/

Vesper Martini · 20-02-2019, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

FFS I wasn’t saying you were. Stop getting so defensive.

So whats your point then? just carrying on like a pork chop for nothing

Vesper Martini · 20-02-2019, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Because it’s better to have a vehicle capable of towing 13t and only loading it up with half or less of it’s rated capacity?

If I had to tow 3.5t there’s no way I’d be using any of these Thailand Utes which are rated at 3.5t to tow it.

That I agree with, and you will find most are exceeding maximum weight anyway

Vesper Martini · 20-02-2019, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

8.5’ is the max width in most US states, so it’s probably right at that. Only 9.1cm wider than the max Australian width.

Pretty sure you cannot have a wheeltrack wider than 2.5M here.
My boat is 2.49 with the boat overhang of 45mm.
by law it cannot be driven after daylight hours and must wear oversize signage.

roKWiz · 20-02-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Pretty sure you cannot have a wheeltrack wider than 2.5M here.
My boat is 2.49 with the boat overhang of 45mm.
by law it cannot be driven after daylight hours and must wear oversize signage.

Yes we discussed that. 2.5m max overall width. excluding mirrors. U.S can go wider. Isn't wheel track measured from the centre of the tyre ??
My boat is 3.0m wide, oversize and permit day or night but under 3.0m doesn't need an escort.