Chrysler to Join V8 Supercars?

[Majestic]

and if that were to happen - what will the bogans do lol

seriously - that would mean no more supercars?

Originally Posted by gtxb67

if ford stop making falcon's, then i doubt holden will be allowed to make commode dores

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Majestic

and if that were to happen - what will the bogans do lol

seriously - that would mean no more supercars?

Im sure the catagory would evolve to cope.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Majestic

and if that were to happen - what will the bogans do lol

seriously - that would mean no more supercars?

i would think it would stay the way it is going
nascar thrives even though toyota don't run a v8, to my knowledge the taurus and fusion have never been v8's. probably the same with the other brands too

[FPV0002]

Nikked, you are the only one making any valid points here. Production car racing
Already exists! None of The top tiers of Motorsport in the world do not include the production cars/bikes we can buy. F1, motogp, wrc and the v8 Supercars are all purpose built race machines that only loosely represent the manufacturers product. If so many people are so keen to see a racing version of their car in a racing series then go watch a round of the Aus production cars. I think some ppl are confused as to what they really want?

[SteveJH]

Bathurst 12 hour should be interesting this year, especially since the top GT3 cars could be lapping quicker then the V8 Supercars if the Ferrari 458 lap record is anything to go by.

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by Majestic

seriously - that would mean no more supercars?

That's why they are about to change the regulations so that nameplates that aren't RWD in real life can participate.

If suddenly both the Falcon and Commodore get killed off, there would still be plenty of models the manufactures can have representing them. For example, Ford could use the Taurus, while Holden would use whatever car their largest sedan would be if there was no Commodore.

[ford lover]

Production car racing is what Bathurst should be.The manufacturers getting behind their cars,Like in the seventies.Not the boring event it has become today.People say,Holden won or Ford.What do those cars (supercars) have to do with what we can buy?Sheetmetal,big deal.

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by ford lover

Production car racing is what Bathurst should be.The manufacturers getting behind their cars,Like in the seventies.Not the boring event it has become today.People say,Holden won or Ford.What do those cars (supercars) have to do with what we can buy?Sheetmetal,big deal.

But what do you limit it by?

What cars can enter?

What alterations can be made to the cars?

[ford lover]

The usual safety precautions,etc.What ever the Australian production car championship does.Limitations,im sure could be worked out,so some Godzilla,all conquering monster doesnt wipe everything out.

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by ford lover

The usual safety precautions,etc.What ever the Australian production car championship does.Limitations,im sure could be worked out,so some Godzilla,all conquering monster doesnt wipe everything out.

So what you have in mind would be touring cars only as opposed to the Bathurst 12 hour race which has opened its doors to GT class cars such as Nissan GT-Rs and Ferraris.

[ford lover]

Just a contemporary version of the good old days.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by ford lover

Production car racing is what Bathurst should be.The manufacturers getting behind their cars,Like in the seventies.Not the boring event it has become today.People say,Holden won or Ford.What do those cars (supercars) have to do with what we can buy?Sheetmetal,big deal.

The V8 supercars are V8 powered (tick) RWD (tick) 4 door (tick) cars that resemble the roadgoing versions (tick)


APCT only draws attention at the bathurst 12hr, not the rest of the year because the standard cars arn't as fast and interesting (most of the time) to watch as the V8's...

Ford and Holden won't spend the money on developing a limited (200 units?) run of cars, just to suit a few people who cant let go of the past. Its not viable as an investment...and if they did there is no guarantee that a special run of V8's would be it, the EB4 might be what ford would want to make a name of.

The V8's is regarded as one of the worlds most exciting tin-top racing catagories and it shouldn't be changed.

[Zedjay]

bring back group C and i dont meen old school group C
but new car's that race teams can wave their magic on
FG11 Vs VE11 Vs anything rear drive and 4 door...
now that id go and watch

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

i would think it would stay the way it is going
nascar thrives even though toyota don't run a v8, to my knowledge the taurus and fusion have never been v8's. probably the same with the other brands too

NASCAR is slipping. It's expensive to go to the races, and our recession hasn't helped.

You're correct that Toyota has never offered a V8 car. The Fusion is a front-drive sedan with a V6 as the top option (the next model will only offer fours). The Taurus SHO had a V8 briefly after 1996, but the current model (which was previously the Five Hundred) has never offered a V8. The older Taurus was front-drive only, but the current model offers all-wheel drive.

The current Impala is a front-drive car, and has been since it debuted in 1999 (I think that was the year). The Monte Carlo hasn't been rear drive since 1988.

The Dodge Charger is rear drive and offers a Hemi V8 on the street. Dodge's NASCAR engine bears no relation to the Hemi, however. (It's pretty much a copy of a Chevy engine, as is the Toyota race engine.)

I began to lose interest in NASCAR in 1989, when all the street versions of the GM cars switched to front-drive V6s, but the race cars were rear-drive V8s.

Then after Ford killed the Thunderbird (which was offered with a V8 until the end, albeit a 4.6 SOHC vs. the racing 5.8 OHV) they started racing the Taurus, which was a front-drive four-door sedan that somehow became a rear-drive two-door race car.

Then NASCAR made all the cars have the same bodies. Before the decals are applied, you can't tell what kind of car it is. It's just pointless now.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

But what do you limit it by?

What cars can enter?

What alterations can be made to the cars?

Easy...dust off the rules book from the old days and update it to suit current cars and safety regs. Have a few classes of cars...I think it used to be 2 liter, then another class for bigger engines, then the largest engine class.

And yes...most people would be happy to let anything in...who cares if Falcons or Commodores don't win every single time...

[ford lover]

It wont be long before the supercars will have the same bodies,like nascar.One will have blue sticker the other red!Boring(tick)no character(tick)the only car that wins,has most corporate,funding,great(tick) Production racing is not interesting or fast.really!Not viable!The first thing all the bogans say is i drive Holdens because they have won Bathurst the most.

[sbutler]

Ok they might not directly engineer the results, but a safty car deployed at the right moment can have a direct result on a race, dont ever thinks it cant!
If you think it BS just keep watching. They have engineered Bathurst for about 6 years now, Even back to the EB days when DJR & most Falcons were unbeatable, just 3 weeks out from Bathurst they make them change their airo package, that didnt work so days before Bathurst they had to lift their ride hight up & fit [shotgun pannels] under the front guards! lets not forget the car that was never aloud to win the poor AU Falcon That car was hobbled from the start! & believe me its not just the officals, the teams are heaverly involved, think back a couple of years when DJR were broke & were selling off stuff, the very next year Courtney wins the title! He wins buggerall races crashers into everything but the title is his! Same with Rick Kelly a few years before, it comes down to Kelly V Lowndes remember the Phillip Island feasco You dont find that just all to convenient? Ambrose V Murphy at Bathurst? Ambrose & the belaclava? I can go on but I wont. Wake up & smell the roses people

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

NASCAR is slipping. It's expensive to go to the races, and our recession hasn't helped

obviously you know more about the us and nascar than i, but i would think that the economy would be a huge reason for any downturn in nascar's interest

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

Then NASCAR made all the cars have the same bodies. Before the decals are applied, you can't tell what kind of car it is. It's just pointless now.

in theory, most of us hate this path. i certainly do, but if nascar is on and i am too lazy to reach for the remote, then i still hope the ford's win. wierd, i know, because even more so than with v8 supercars, i know there is no real difference in the cars, but the sticker still means something. there are many people who are less brand concious than me who will watch both nascar and v8 supercars

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Easy...dust off the rules book from the old days and update it to suit current cars and safety regs. Have a few classes of cars...I think it used to be 2 liter, then another class for bigger engines, then the largest engine class

how would any manufacturer be able to afford this. ford and holden could not. toyota are laying off people. there is a reason why series production is not the top level of motorsport in most, if not all countries. it is a bottomless pit if you wish to be competitive

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

And yes...most people would be happy to let anything in...who cares if Falcons or Commodores don't win every single time...

we had a class of racing where anything was let in - group a. no one wanted it, so v8 supercars was born and people do want that. it has probably never been so popular. i personally would have rathered group a (maybe because the sierra's dominated so much), but i am in the minority

[4stanger]

Lets face it.
V8s & all other top tier motorsport is an entertainment industry.
Huge coverage on TV, brings in sponsorship to teams for extra advertising on TV airtime.
This money from sponsorship creates employment and further development within the industry.
If one team or one car dominates, the rest of the sponsors will eventually, either join that team or go somewhere else to get exposure.
For the industry to survive it has to entertain, so PARITY (rules to keep cars even in performance) is a must have.
Whilst this is on TV, IMHO you will NEVER have a catergory where near standard cars or mixed classes of cars, race without the help of some form of parity.
We had that era back in the early 70s with series production where there was no parity, looking back at that, do you think Chrysler got good value from that?

[4stanger]

Moby Vic.
I am watching the Daytona 24 hours live this morning on Pay TV.
Seems they have a good mix of manufacturers competing in that.
Chrysler even have a Viper in this.
Even with a down turn in the US economy there still seems to be a lot of well presented and well funded teams competing in this.
Also the same could be said for the 3 tiers of NASCAR and INDYCAR.

[Majestic]

I remember seeing footage of drivers lined up for a 100 yard foot race before jumping in there cars and taking off lol Things need to keep evolving to stay interesting IMO. So getting back to what this thread is about - I would welcome another manufacturer like Chrysler/Toyota to join the 'V8's'. It would add more interest (again IMO). Of course there will always be the people who don't like change. Just remember, if things never changed - we would be all still living in caves not having this conversation on the internet lol

[monzie]

I think a lot of the Nissan Godzilla avantage back then wasn't so much about power but the fact that it was 4wd against the rest of the field being only 2wd. Of course now the rules state only 2wd

Pete

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by Arnaldo

Moby Vic.
I am watching the Daytona 24 hours live this morning on Pay TV.
Seems they have a good mix of manufacturers competing in that.
Chrysler even have a Viper in this.
Even with a down turn in the US economy there still seems to be a lot of well presented and well funded teams competing in this.
Also the same could be said for the 3 tiers of NASCAR and INDYCAR.

The Rolex 24 Hours isn't a NASCAR race. Attendance there is nothing like attendance at the Daytona 500.

NASCAR's popularity is waning. Old-time fans miss the manufacturer battle and the personalities of the drivers (they're all corporate sponsor driven now). Newer fans are much more fickle.

Nobody likes the Car of Tomorrow, and restrictor plate racing at Daytona and Talladega is dull.

It's still the most popular racing in the US, but it's not as popular as it was.

Indycar is in bad shape, also. The death of Dan Wheldon certainly didn't help.

[Majestic]

yep - the GTR had a clear advantage with the awd system. I actually own a 450awkw r33 gtr - the awd system gets the power to the ground amazingly! If you any of you have never driven one of these cars hard around a track - I highly recommend that you do.

Originally Posted by monzie

I think a lot of the Nissan Godzilla avantage back then wasn't so much about power but the fact that it was 4wd against the rest of the field being only 2wd. Of course now the rules state only 2wd

Pete

[sbutler]

With luck this might sound the death nell for V8 supercraps & they might have a rethink about the future. Im not against it at all & watch it when it on tv, Im against the rule makers having a huge hand in the outcomes. Just look at the some of the peneltys handed out, to some & not others??
I would like to see them remove all driver aids, so the driver has more input. Remove all telemetry so the driver has to make the car,fuel burn,tyres,all himself.

[GhiaEB]

Originally Posted by sbutler

With luck this might sound the death nell for V8 supercraps & they might have a rethink about the future. Im not against it at all & watch it when it on tv, Im against the rule makers having a huge hand in the outcomes. Just look at the some of the peneltys handed out, to some & not others??
I would like to see them remove all driver aids, so the driver has more input. Remove all telemetry so the driver has to make the car,fuel burn,tyres,all himself.

So you would remove some of the drivers aids that you have in you standard road going car? Even the lowest spec falcon has a trip computer with distance to empty. Abeit the version in a race car would be far superior to anything a road car would have.

Traction control and other aids started off in motor sport then filtered down to road going cars.

[Uncle Niceguy]

Originally Posted by GhiaEB

So you would remove some of the drivers aids that you have in you standard road going car? Even the lowest spec falcon has a trip computer with distance to empty. Abeit the version in a race car would be far superior to anything a road car would have.

Traction control and other aids started off in motor sport then filtered down to road going cars.

F1 cars haven't used T/C or ABS for several years yet thats the cream crop of racing and is far more technical than the V8SC and they don't get to refill the car with fuel during a pit stop they only have 8? engines a season and a certain amount of tyres to last a whole round.

V8SC have all the above and i find the skill needed to drive them is no where near the level of skill you need in the most advanced race car in the world. so if high tech stuff eventually filters down into our every day cars how on earth did the V8's keep ahead safety wise over the F1's???

anyway back on topic i think it would be great to see chrysler put the 300C in the race

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Mr.NiceGuy

F1 cars haven't used T/C or ABS for several years yet thats the cream crop of racing and is far more technical than the V8SC and they don't get to refill the car with fuel during a pit stop they only have 8? engines a season and a certain amount of tyres to last a whole round.

T/C and ABS were banned, pretty much any type of electronic assisted device was banned.
Refueling was banned so it can keep the racing more interesting along with the manufactured degradation of the tyres. Limited engines was introduced to cut costs.

V8SC have all the above and i find the skill needed to drive them is no where near the level of skill you need in the most advanced race car in the world. so if high tech stuff eventually filters down into our every day cars how on earth did the V8's keep ahead safety wise over the F1's???

anyway back on topic i think it would be great to see chrysler put the 300C in the race

Compare the speeds an F1 car atains over a lap, top speed, etc.
Then compare the fact the drive is far more exposed and must put up with higher g-forces.
The cockpit of an F1 car is one of the safest places for a driver.
All while weighing half that of a V8 supercar and no roll cage.

[gtxb67]

do v8 supercars have traction control and abs

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

do v8 supercars have traction control and abs

According to this the answer is no to both.