2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 3

Nu66et · 11-09-2017, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by solarite_guy

Was the Raptor R ever made available in Australia? Some nick named it VelociRaptor.

It came with 500 hp.

Raptor R was only made for the Baja 1000 AFAIK.

**solarite_guy** · 11-09-2017, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nu66et

Raptor R was only made for the Baja 1000 AFAIK.

I know it ran the Baja, I didn't know if they made available to Australia. I am sure you all have places it could be used too.

barra240t · 11-09-2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Nope, no Thai built vehicles for me irrespective of what badge its wearing and pretending to be. Would rather take the bus than drive a thai vehicle.

Are you serious? You won't buy a car because it was built in Thailand? I've owned 3 and they are more reliable than anything Australian or European I've owned.

barra240t · 11-09-2017, 11:47 AM

6 orders already taken and growing

stazza · 11-09-2017, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

Are you serious? You won't buy a car because it was built in Thailand? I've owned 3 and they are more reliable than anything Australian or European I've owned.

I find that last statement hard to believe. We have Ford Rangers and Holden Colorados as our work fleet vehicles. Absolute buckets of cheap crap. Terrible cars. They scream of cheap and nasty. Not to mention they have the turning circle of an aircraft carrier. Every one of them I have driven has some kind of issue, plus cheap broken interior plastics, creaking sounds, and really really poor visibility.

I'm a die hard Ford man, but there is no way in hell I'd ever own a Ranger. I'm not a 4x4 enthusiast by any stretch, so maybe Dmax's and Hilux's are just as bad? But I honestly don't get all the praise for the Ranger. People carry on about them as if they're something else, but as soon as I drove one I was dumbfounded at how overrated they are.

barra240t · 11-09-2017, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stazza

I find that last statement hard to believe. We have Ford Rangers and Holden Colorados as our work fleet vehicles. Absolute buckets of cheap crap. Terrible cars. They scream of cheap and nasty. Not to mention they have the turning circle of an aircraft carrier. Every one of them I have driven has some kind of issue, plus cheap broken interior plastics, creaking sounds, and really really poor visibility.

I'm a die hard Ford man, but there is no way in hell I'd ever own a Ranger. I'm not a 4x4 enthusiast by any stretch, so maybe Dmax's and Hilux's are just as bad? But I honestly don't get all the praise for the Ranger. People carry on about them as if they're something else, but as soon as I drove one I was dumbfounded at how overrated they are.

I find your statement hard to believe as well?

It sounds like you are a diehard sedan man, or just don't like anything in regards to 4x4 pickups? The get praised because they are a good thing, are you talking PJ/K/X/XII Ranger?

Fiesta, Focus and Everest are all made in Thailand too, I'm guessing they are buckets as well?

Terror_Tree · 11-09-2017, 02:38 PM

I hope it has disc brakes at the back. Still don't understand why drum brakes are fitted to not only the Ranger but the other brands as well.

My32Doors · 11-09-2017, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Terror_Tree

I hope it has disc brakes at the back. Still don't understand why drum brakes are fitted to not only the Ranger but the other brands as well.

Same reason heavy vehicles still have drums - weight carrying capacity.

**DJM83** · 11-09-2017, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

Are you serious? You won't buy a car because it was built in Thailand? I've owned 3 and they are more reliable than anything Australian or European I've owned.

Wouldn't bother mate, just sour grapes cause no falcon anymore.

Bossxr8 · 11-09-2017, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nu66et

The F150 Raptor only now has more power than a normal F150 though. The first gen didnt

It had the option of the 6.2 though, which I don't think was available in regular F-150's. Only Super Duty's got the option.

Brazen · 11-09-2017, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by My32Doors

Same reason heavy vehicles still have drums - weight carrying capacity.

It really is a cost thing, disc brakes are far better. Better stopping power, better fade resistance and wear.

All the big US pickups have four wheel disc brakes including the F450 that has a 15 tonne tow rating. Likewise all the Euro vans have gone four wheel discs. The Thai Utes have kept their rear drums due to cost

boss351290 · 11-09-2017, 08:05 PM

A p5 ltd had 4 wheel disc brakes in 1973. And a $70000 dollar Wildtrack has drums in 2017 and again in 2018. Come on. Is it taking that long to catch up.

**GasoLane** · 11-09-2017, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by My32Doors

Same reason heavy vehicles still have drums - weight carrying capacity.

Very few newer Prime movers and trailers still have drums.

Ben73 · 11-09-2017, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stazza

We have Ford Rangers and Holden Colorados as our work fleet vehicles. Absolute buckets of cheap crap. Terrible cars. They scream of cheap and nasty. Not to mention they have the turning circle of an aircraft carrier. Every one of them I have driven has some kind of issue, plus cheap broken interior plastics, creaking sounds, and really really poor visibility.

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You just explained every base model ute no matter where it's built.
Especially work ones, they seam to get thrashed more than the private higher spec utes.

Really REALLY poor visibility? Seriously?
I have never thought of any ute I have driven as having poor visibility. Having a tray back actually makes rear visibility better compared to a regular wagon 4x4.

You seam like you are biased and had made up your mind before you have sat in the drivers seat.

SumoDog68 · 11-09-2017, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FG50T

Get the Miami's back and drop them in!

Something like this ?

https://roadtoracesa.com/ranger-rtr-660/

chevypower · 12-09-2017, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It had the option of the 6.2 though, which I don't think was available in regular F-150's. Only Super Duty's got the option.

Some Lariats, Lariat Limiteds, and Harley Davidson editions also got the 6.2 as an option. Not very popular though because of the 3.5 EcoBoost and 5.0. I want to say the King Ranch may have had it as an option also.

steve.zissou · 12-09-2017, 06:57 AM

you have to think like a Ford accountant.
1000 dummies will pay 80k for one with the crappie same engine. this equals profit. then release new one with better engine In 2 years and same people will upgrade to that one.
i still can't figure out how you can pay 60k for a jeep grand Cherokee limited with a great diesel engine 8 speed zf box great interior all the bells and whistles and outs pretty durable (mine is a bush car and is in heaps better Nick than my falcon ute was at 150000km). compared to the ranger xlt for the same money there is definitely something amiss

**Giant Cranium** · 12-09-2017, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by steve.zissou

you have to think like a Ford accountant.
1000 dummies will pay 80k for one with the crappie same engine. this equals profit. then release new one with better engine In 2 years and same people will upgrade to that one.
i still can't figure out how you can pay 60k for a jeep grand Cherokee limited with a great diesel engine 8 speed zf box great interior all the bells and whistles and outs pretty durable (mine is a bush car and is in heaps better Nick than my falcon ute was at 150000km). compared to the ranger xlt for the same money there is definitely something amiss

id never buy a cherokee, wouldn't even look at one all because of one small thing... i need a ute

Ben73 · 12-09-2017, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

id never buy a cherokee, wouldn't even look at one all because of one small thing... i need a ute

I think his point is not that you should buy one, the point is that ute's are ridiculously expensive for what you get. I guess they get there price because people see them as a jack of all trades.

Both vehicles in my signature below cost the same brand new. One feels like it's worth twice the amount of the other one.

If I were to buy a ute again I would get a base model second hand one.

roKWiz · 12-09-2017, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

id never buy a cherokee, wouldn't even look at one all because of one small thing... i need a ute

Maybe harsh, Someone educate me please... I've never understood the appeal of these overpriced 4 door ute things. no matter who makes it.
They all claim massive towing ability. 3 ton towing (most ads with half a dozen **** in the small writing below.)
The tray or tub hanging out back behind the rear wheels (centre of gravity) would surely create handling problems when it has any decent load aboard. Let alone one tonne.
Handling wise (unloaded) It must drive like a truck and not have the comfort of a car.
So its not a proper truck or ute really and its not a proper car.

The ones I have driven all feel the same.

**Giant Cranium** · 12-09-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Maybe harsh, Someone educate me please... I've never understood the appeal of these overpriced 4 door ute things. no matter who makes it.
They all claim massive towing ability. 3 ton towing (most ads with half a dozen **** in the small writing below.)
The tray or tub hanging out back behind the rear wheels (centre of gravity) would surely create handling problems when it has any decent load aboard. Let alone one tonne.
Handling wise (unloaded) It must drive like a truck and not have the comfort of a car.
So its not a proper truck or ute really and its not a proper car.

The ones I have driven all feel the same.

I'm a carpenter, I need a tray back. I need more then two seats. I'd like to tow a trailer of material. Camping and hunting is best done by access of 4wd tracks.

And the simple fact of show me a sedan or wagon that looks better than its ute equivalent

**Falcon Coupe** · 12-09-2017, 04:03 PM

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...7f53-314879721

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However, what powertrain the flagship Ranger will employ is less clear, with suggestions it could be the F-150 Raptor's 3.5-litre 'EcoBoost' twin-turbocharged V6 petrol engine, which punches out 336kW of power and 690Nm of torque.

If the test mule’s soundtrack is anything to go by, it is likely that petrol propulsion is on the cards for the production Ranger Raptor meaning an uprated version of the mid-size ute's current 147kW/470Nm 3.2-litre five-cylinder diesel unit is unlikely. Either way, Ford assures ''an adrenaline-pumping experience.''

b0son · 12-09-2017, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Maybe harsh, Someone educate me please... I've never understood the appeal of these overpriced 4 door ute things. no matter who makes it.

Even higher up than most SUVs? Which IIRC was the reason people were getting SUVs over cars. At least, that's what I assume, because I rarely see anything in the back of them.

Mind you, I'd get one if you could fit something 1.4m wide in the back (gokart)... they're all too narrow.

**Fordman1** · 12-09-2017, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...7f53-314879721

It's all media drivel, I would be waiting on Ford to confirm powertrains and I would not assume anything.

**Fordman1** · 12-09-2017, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by steve.zissou

you have to think like a Ford accountant.
1000 dummies will pay 80k for one with the crappie same engine. this equals profit. then release new one with better engine In 2 years and same people will upgrade to that one.

I don't want to be negative, but I agree.

naddis01 · 12-09-2017, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Mind you, I'd get one if you could fit something 1.4m wide in the back (gokart)... they're all too narrow.

Simple solution - Put a tray on the back.

vztrt · 13-09-2017, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Simple solution - Put a tray on the back.

Or they could fix the tray.

Nu66et · 13-09-2017, 07:55 PM

I think youre going to struggle finding something with 1.4m space between the wheel tubs. Take 300mm for each wheel and youre already at 2m width. Most manufacturers wouldnt be worried about more than a 1.2m pallet

Adamz Ghia · 13-09-2017, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

It really is a cost thing, disc brakes are far better. Better stopping power, better fade resistance and wear.

All the big US pickups have four wheel disc brakes including the F450 that has a 15 tonne tow rating. Likewise all the Euro vans have gone four wheel discs. The Thai Utes have kept their rear drums due to cost

Excuse my ignorance, but how much would this actually save per vehicle? When they're selling so many they have more units to spread the cost over. Surely it wouldn't add anything noticible to the cost of the car?

Brazen · 14-09-2017, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Excuse my ignorance, but how much would this actually save per vehicle? When they're selling so many they have more units to spread the cost over. Surely it wouldn't add anything noticible to the cost of the car?

Probably enough to make a difference, the Asian markets are hugely price driven. So things like lightweight frames and drum brakes are part and parcel of keeping costs down. Remember in many Asian countries families will cross shop these dual cab Utes against cars like Corollas, so very price driven.

In reality I can see Ranger diverging into two seperate products over time. Australia is now the biggest market in the world for Ranger so there may be more differences in the product in different markets in the future, especially as the US comes online.