GT-F vs GTS LSA

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

So silly putting up the manual vs the auto. But gts 12.1 I don't think the auto gt f would get near that

NOW ...... IF an auto 2011 Stock GT with $180 rear tyres (Mayruns from China) can run a 12.43 ....... now why wouldn't a GT-F with better tyres and a tune get near it? Even if it only runs 0.2 seconds quicker which is EXTREMELY probable ...... I would say that is getting very near it???

[futura]

What happened to the smoke auto GTF-014? Why wasn't this car used in this drag strip comparison? Auto vs auto

[futura]

As for the drag strip race between the Auto GTS vs Manual GTF, why was there only one run? Did the guy miss 2nd gear in the GTF??

[duaned]

I would be please to have either of these aussie gems in my garage. I certainly wouldn't loose sleep over a 0.5 second deficit to the Holden. The Holden is the better car without question, but does it have the iconic status of the GT? I think not.

[XR6Runner]

Originally Posted by duaned

Seriously, you keep showing others in your posts just how much of an idiot you are! Any chance you could grow up for a while?

He's obviously a devout ford man. Cut him some slack! If he wasn't around who would fight the holden guys at the pub??

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by duaned

Seriously, you keep showing others in your posts just how much of an idiot you are! Any chance you could grow up for a while?

Back on track, I would be please to have either of these aussie gems in my garage. I certainly wouldn't loose sleep over a 0.5 second deficit to the Holden. The Holden is the better car without question, but does it have the iconic status of the GT? I think not.

but that's it. Its less then 0.5 sec and the journos seem hell bent on bad mouthing this car since day one. same as the GT-R spec. why is it when Ford come out with a new Falcon stupid **** like this is always without fail said. I even said this before the GT-F came out that it will no doubt be bad mouthed and guess what it. I was right and I am sick of it. That Dowling ****** as well. trying to say that the GTS produced 500kw with Transient Over Boost!! he went all out of his way to bag out FPV's claim of 404kw in the right conditions. the proof is also on this site. with members of this Forum getting times a lot better then what the jurnos claim with there own standard 335 GT Falcons etc. from what I have seen in a straight line from the 335GT the GT-F could quite easily get that 12.18 sec quarter mile. sorry if it sounds like I am abusing you. I am not only just that the journos should either learn to drive or stop telling lies and test the auto GT-F against the GTS

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by XR6Runner

He's obviously a devout ford man. Cut him some slack! If he wasn't around who would fight the holden guys at the pub??

to be honest I get a laugh out of it as most of the time he is telling the truth

[b0son]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

So if you put an aftermarket exhaust on you cant change the tips ?

Not that you'd need to, the tips are pretty big.

[fgpsi]

Would've loled if they did the auto gt-f vs manual gts

[GSPSI]

After all the 'hype' and forever keeping myself updated on the launch for the GTF.. I have not read one single review or comparisson.

[1TUFFUTE]

Well I totally expected that dribble of an article aswell.not happy

I also have my desktop link to their article posting the rspec they got 4.5 in not working anymore(yes I have that ;) )

My opinion is the GTS is WAAAY over rated in the looks department. Espescially from the rear omg

My opinion is the new GTF looks are amaazing. And the whole 351 thing just makes them an instant classic.....something no hsv will ever get near.

My opinion is the tech is nice.....if your after tech......there's only so much tech I want or can handle in a muscle car thats sposed to be "cheap"(read accessible) Therefore...if all that extra hsv power and all that extra tech is worth only a poofteenth at best.....I'm not spending 20g more(not that I'd get a hsv anyway)

As for the power ratings....I've personally just finished a crapload of reading and videos for dynoes of vf GTS. Very low power getting to the wheels. Whereas we all know standard GT335s are way understated and often impress.

But anyway.......for guys who test cars for a living.....they seem to be extremely naive about all of the points we've all been mentioning. Anyone who thinks these guys are legit......is delusional........go smack yourself up the side of the head!!!

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

So if you put an aftermarket exhaust on you cant change the tips ?

Umm, sure, of course you can, go for it

[rancidpunx]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

GT RRP $77,950
GTS RRP $96,500

..... and that is what the GT has sold for. All of them except for the last few where some dealers are trying to screw more.

Just a bit of trivia .... the GT was sold out in 4 days. A total of 550. The GTS has sold 1100 in a total of 12 or so months.

Cars did not sell out in 4 days. In fact there is still a couple available brand new right now. Just expect to pay way over the top. Your RRP argument does not work either. Most people would have some change from their GTF purchase if they had bought a GTS. That is whats happening in the real world rather than on paper. It was a good argument for FPV when the cars were actually cheaper but now its just silly making that statement because its a false. Yes some guys have got cars at $85-$90k but then you can do that deal on a GTS as well. No personal opinions, that's just how it is. However for me, the GTF for the event and occasion, for the better car with no passion and simply comparing the 2, its the GTS.

Originally Posted by wildrider

http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/cars/...-fpv-gt-r-spec

this here was the link. seems abit suss doesn't it. I still have my Street Machine mag where they confirmed its sister magazine tested it and printed the result. bloody disgraceful

Originally Posted by fgpsi

So if you put an aftermarket exhaust on you cant change the tips ?

No. The tips are set into the bumper and as Shonky said are not physically attached to the exhaust.

[cheap]

Alternatively: the extra time effort and MONEY involved in developing the VF has made it a better car.

In another threat I mentioned the final Ford V's Holden battle and sadly Ford lost. Boy did I get an earful, ah well another review which has the GTF running second, there does seem to be a common theme developing amongst all the tests.

[Rodge]

GTS would be well run and running the super sticky Continental tyres and Autocar N.Z. got a 4.13 second run from their GTS in cooler conditions so the time of 4.2 seconds seems credible. GT-F engine will be green and the engines gives a lot more after 5,000 km's and would go harder with far better rubber. Silly comparing a manual with an auto and even sillier not testing them on a racetrack to get a feel for how they compare.

But these cars are sooo much more than just about 0-100 times...why don't they just hand them both to someone like John Bowe and have him do a few laps of Phillip Island then we'd get a real sense of how they compare...(I'd bet the ranch on the GTS lapping considerably quicker and there's no contest on the technology side of things either).

[mcnews]

Racetrack.... Nobody that lives in the real world (okay well a few trundle around a track at times, probably 2 or 3 might actually have a proper go) really uses these cars on the track at a level that a pro driver can drive them... And if they are serious about using a car at the track and buy something like one of these.... well then they have too much money to waste trying to get a close to 2-ton car to be good at the track.

Real roads are a better test for sure of cars like these, that's what they are made for.

If you want a track car, get a track/sports car, that when taken to 10-tenths can actually do more than a couple of laps before tyres and brakes are cooked and you are just driving around the lack of grip and brakes.

Let alone driving a 100k car at 10-tenths at the track that unless you want to risk throwing that 100k away into a barrier by really pushing the limits, and I don't mean normal driver pussying about limits, but proper having a go limits, then you again have too much money. Buy a track car for 25k that uses less tyres, pads and consumable and that you can actually not kill yourself over if you do throw it into the barriers.

So while outright laptimes for these cars, over what the one or two laps they can perform at their best for, and outcomes will be also dependent on characteristics of tracks used, as in a car at Winton or Wanneroo might be faster than what the other car would be at Phillip Island, which is a track that is so fast unless you have done it at speed you will never really understand just how breathtakingly fast it is, lap times are useful for bench racing keyboard warriors and bragging rights, they mean very little in the real world. And again, while one car might be faster at track A, that does not automatically mean it will be fastest at track B and C. But of course the primary limitations are always the testicular fortitude of the fella at the wheel too... But lap times are usefull for tossers to flog their selves over when comparing cars and my car is faster than your car crapola while in reality the conversationists couldn't drive out of sight on a dark night anyway :-)

[Nova 8]

Ford faster than Holden: haha Holden suck cause all Ford V8s and 6ts are faster and that what counts.

Holden faster than Ford: speed doesn't count for **** and people are morons for thinking it does.


GT-F vs GTS, the Holden wins, they invested more in the last hooray of their dieing car. Kudos where kudosare deserved.

[mcnews]

For sure, but a lot of people would still prefer and buy the GT-F as that is what their heart wants. They are both complete piles of snot compared to a 911 or something proper good, but at the end of the day that doesn't really matter to people that buy these things :-)

[Nova 8]

I think the Gt with its 351 badges has that " something speciel" about it. Something which the Holden doesn't have and can't mimic without producing a Monaro with the GTS badge on it. But the GT has always had that something about it.

[Blueford260]

Originally Posted by rancidpunx

Cars did not sell out in 4 days. In fact there is still a couple available brand new right now. Just expect to pay way over the top. Your RRP argument does not work either. Most people would have some change from their GTF purchase if they had bought a GTS. That is whats happening in the real world rather than on paper. It was a good argument for FPV when the cars were actually cheaper but now its just silly making that statement because its a false. Yes some guys have got cars at $85-$90k but then you can do that deal on a GTS as well. No personal opinions, that's just how it is. However for me, the GTF for the event and occasion, for the better car with no passion and simply comparing the 2, its the GTS.

All that means to me is that the GTS is overvalued and the GT-F undervalued. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. At the end of the day if you are buying a GT-F you were not even considering buying a GTS, and when you take delivery of your new GT and makes you feel like a kid at Christmas again & it puts a smile on your face every time you drive it, then you probably got more that your moneys worth right there.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Racetrack.... Nobody that lives in the real world (okay well a few trundle around a track at times, probably 2 or 3 might actually have a proper go) really uses these cars on the track at a level that a pro driver can drive them... And if they are serious about using a car at the track and buy something like one of these.... well then they have too much money to waste trying to get a close to 2-ton car to be good at the track.

Real roads are a better test for sure of cars like these, that's what they are made for.

If you want a track car, get a track/sports car, that when taken to 10-tenths can actually do more than a couple of laps before tyres and brakes are cooked and you are just driving around the lack of grip and brakes.

Let alone driving a 100k car at 10-tenths at the track that unless you want to risk throwing that 100k away into a barrier by really pushing the limits, and I don't mean normal driver pussying about limits, but proper having a go limits, then you again have too much money. Buy a track car for 25k that uses less tyres, pads and consumable and that you can actually not kill yourself over if you do throw it into the barriers.

So while outright laptimes for these cars, over what the one or two laps they can perform at their best for, and outcomes will be also dependent on characteristics of tracks used, as in a car at Winton or Wanneroo might be faster than what the other car would be at Phillip Island, which is a track that is so fast unless you have done it at speed you will never really understand just how breathtakingly fast it is, lap times are useful for bench racing keyboard warriors and bragging rights, they mean very little in the real world. And again, while one car might be faster at track A, that does not automatically mean it will be fastest at track B and C. But of course the primary limitations are always the testicular fortitude of the fella at the wheel too... But lap times are usefull for tossers to flog their selves over when comparing cars and my car is faster than your car crapola while in reality the conversationists couldn't drive out of sight on a dark night anyway :-)

please refrain from posting any sense of rationality or reality in this thread

[pottery beige]

i also allocate trev additional points for no mention of mcgadgets

mcgadgets = mcboofheads

its all about the music man

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by mcnews

But lap times are usefull for tossers to flog their selves over when comparing cars and my car is faster than your car crapola while in reality the conversationists couldn't drive out of sight on a dark night anyway :-)

ha, sounds like what this thread is about, 0-100km/h comparisons

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

So if you put an aftermarket exhaust on you cant change the tips ?

For those who haven’t seen the rear of a GTS up close.

You can see the actual exhaust outlet on the GTS is small compared to the size of the bumper inserts.
It all an illusion, looks good from a distance but very ordinary up close.

[graphicgoose]

^^^ tacky...

[Nikked]

At the end of the day...


GT V's GTS....


Take it in, because this is the last time its going to happen.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Racetrack.... Nobody that lives in the real world (okay well a few trundle around a track at times, probably 2 or 3 might actually have a proper go) really uses these cars on the track at a level that a pro driver can drive them... And if they are serious about using a car at the track and buy something like one of these.... well then they have too much money to waste trying to get a close to 2-ton car to be good at the track.

Real roads are a better test for sure of cars like these, that's what they are made for.

If you want a track car, get a track/sports car, that when taken to 10-tenths can actually do more than a couple of laps before tyres and brakes are cooked and you are just driving around the lack of grip and brakes.

Let alone driving a 100k car at 10-tenths at the track that unless you want to risk throwing that 100k away into a barrier by really pushing the limits, and I don't mean normal driver pussying about limits, but proper having a go limits, then you again have too much money. Buy a track car for 25k that uses less tyres, pads and consumable and that you can actually not kill yourself over if you do throw it into the barriers.

So while outright laptimes for these cars, over what the one or two laps they can perform at their best for, and outcomes will be also dependent on characteristics of tracks used, as in a car at Winton or Wanneroo might be faster than what the other car would be at Phillip Island, which is a track that is so fast unless you have done it at speed you will never really understand just how breathtakingly fast it is, lap times are useful for bench racing keyboard warriors and bragging rights, they mean very little in the real world. And again, while one car might be faster at track A, that does not automatically mean it will be fastest at track B and C. But of course the primary limitations are always the testicular fortitude of the fella at the wheel too... But lap times are usefull for tossers to flog their selves over when comparing cars and my car is faster than your car crapola while in reality the conversationists couldn't drive out of sight on a dark night anyway :-)

Track times will give a better indication of on-raod ability and I think you're average enthusiast / weekend warriors driver's skills and enjoyment would be flattered by technology like adaptive / adjustable suspension, adjustable dynamic stability control, torque vectoring and the supercar sized brakes could get them out of a hole if they mis-judged a corner coming up too fast...and that's before we start talking about all the other convienience technology in the GTS and the properly bolstered seats so you're not sliding all round the place.

The GT-F was done on a financial shoe-string. They did the best they could with the parts bin they had and almost zero R&D dollars. The fact that you can't even equip one (even as an optional extra), with the GT-P seats tells you how incredibly tight things are financially with this run-out model.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by mcnews

Real roads are a better test for sure of cars like these, that's what they are made for.

Bring them both around to my house and we'll see how quickly they can get to Coles or Woolworths.

Originally Posted by Blueford260

All that means to me is that the GTS is overvalued and the GT-F undervalued. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. At the end of the day if you are buying a GT-F you were not even considering buying a GTS, and when you take delivery of your new GT and makes you feel like a kid at Christmas again & it puts a smile on your face every time you drive it, then you probably got more that your moneys worth right there.

The GTS is a sell as many as ordered product which helps decrease its longer term appeal and therefore value.
The GT F is a limited number car which does the opposite by increasing its appeal and value.
The W427 on the other hand was a limited number car which didn’t meet its quota and shows you can go overboard when pricing a local car. At the $160k mark most of those with the cash settled for the GTR, M3 and C63 instead.
I think the $90-95k on road price range for the GT F and GTS is a fair indication of what these cars are worth.
Go to much higher and you start to compete on many other levels with a much wider range of prestige performance vehicles

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by rancidpunx

Cars did not sell out in 4 days. In fact there is still a couple available brand new right now. Just expect to pay way over the top. Your RRP argument does not work either. Most people would have some change from their GTF purchase if they had bought a GTS. That is whats happening in the real world rather than on paper. It was a good argument for FPV when the cars were actually cheaper but now its just silly making that statement because its a false. Yes some guys have got cars at $85-$90k but then you can do that deal on a GTS as well. No personal opinions, that's just how it is. However for me, the GTF for the event and occasion, for the better car with no passion and simply comparing the 2, its the GTS.



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No. The tips are set into the bumper and as Shonky said are not physically attached to the exhaust.

Thank you Rancidpunx. most appreciated

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

For those who haven’t seen the rear of a GTS up close.

You can see the actual exhaust outlet on the GTS is small compared to the size of the bumper inserts.
It all an illusion, looks good from a distance but very ordinary up close.




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Good from far, far from good!!