Speed Doesn't Kill - FACT!

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Keep reading and learning, you will get there!!

Can you teach me??? please outbackjack,I want to no what its like to only have one opinion when it comes to speeding (//)

[Outbackjack]

I know that I have posted this before, back in the midst of time. But since we are talking responsible driving and speed, I though this might tie in.
If you have seen it before dont click!! Sorry about the sound.
To anyone that looks at this, does this look dangerous? You can just make out the speedo at 160kph. It was filmed pre 01/01/07. I used to always travel like this, or faster, when the road conditions were rite. It becomes so "second nature" that on our last trip to Cairns, my wife read in the passenger seat, and fell asleep as usual, and my kids watched movies in the back.



What is dangerous about this?? Obviuosly if I was in a FB holden, or something as hideous, I would need to taken out and horse whipped!!

[Laminge]

Take it to pm....

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Can you teach me??? please outbackjack,I want to no what its like to only have one opinion when it comes to speeding (//)

I think that you could probably learn, but you will need to put all your effort into it.

here is a question. When the NT get the (//) back, will you make the trip up here one day and avail your self of the privelidge(SP?) ???

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by sleepyhead

Does anyone knows what a responsible driver is? And I believe that everyone in here are, reflect on the way you think and reply. Speed is not basically the reason of road accidents, it's always because of some third parties like other cars, stupid people on the highways and sudden reactions of the drivers.

Anyway, anyone in here. Just be careful.
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[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I know that I have posted this before, back in the midst of time. But since we are talking responsible driving and speed, I though this might tie in.
If you have seen it before dont click!! Sorry about the sound.
To anyone that looks at this, does this look dangerous? You can just make out the speedo at 160kph. It was filmed pre 01/01/07. I used to always travel like this, or faster, when the road conditions were rite. It becomes so "second nature" that on our last trip to Cairns, my wife read in the passenger seat, and fell asleep as usual, and my kids watched movies in the back.



What is dangerous about this?? Obviuosly if I was in a FB holden, or something as hideous, I would need to taken out and horse whipped!!

Ford must think the speed limit is 230km/h because every time I got the tacho that far it would cut out, maybe ford could work with the government to make this happen at 110km/h

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Ford must think the speed limit is 230km/h because every time I got the tacho that far it would cut out, maybe ford could work with the government to make this happen at 110km/h

Hi Dude, the tacho is only on about 3K.... Speedo is on the right.

[letsboogie351]

I totally disagree........ It is's not the speed that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by letsboogie351

I totally disagree........ It is's not the speed that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end.

De ja vu........

[MITCHAY]

I've said it many times and I'll say it again. I drive to the conditions of the road, my ability as a driver, and the ability of my car.

It alarms me the amount of people who think it is safe to do 100km/h in blinding rain, just because a sign says it is legal to do so.

But if you do 10km/h over in perfectly fine conditions than those sorts of people will give you the high beams for being a "hoon" :

Others can choose to be speed conditioned, I however do not.

[letsboogie351]

thankfully, once out of the 8 knt zone most waterways have no speed limit. I can then let the ford have its head!

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by letsboogie351

thankfully, once out of the 8 knt zone most waterways have no speed limit. I can then let the ford have its head!

Ah yes the joys of performance boats... I wonder how long that will last!!

[gtfpv]

mr x takes a bend at 35 kms hr and has a blowout causing him to run off the road and hit a tree. mr x hits the tree and the airbag goes off , stopping mr x from dying . mr x walks away concluding that the speed he was driving at saved his life . mr x later buys a porsche , and takes the same bend at 200kms an hr. due to the exceessive forces on the vehicle the car cannot remian on the road and mr x's car leaves the road, airborne and hits the same tree, the air bag goes off , breaking mr x's neck due to the speed related forces of the impact, then mr x's skull hits the windscreen smashing it , and the windscreen . the seatbelt tensioners have activated breaking mr x's corpses' ribs and pelvis mr x is now well and truly dead. A 3 year old toddler sees the whole thing , so does the 3 year olds father, sister, mother , and neighbour. . the 3 year old says to his dad . daddy that man is dead because he was speeding and his car hit the tree too fast causing him to be dead.
all the 3 year old boys realatives agree with him . the police come and inspect the accident and conclude the same thing . so do the parramedics, the doctor who pronounces mr x dead, so do the family and friends and acquantances that go to mr x's funeral , MR XS'S ghost also attends the funaral , thinking to himself . if only i wasnt speeding perhaps i wouldn't be dead . mr x 's ghost thinks about it for a while , and concludes that he is right.

somewhere out there online on a forum , many many , many people will dismiss the fact that speed killed mr x. they will even go to extreme rediculous statements to prove that mr' x's friends family, witnesses, police, doctors coriners , reporters, insurance companies, and car engineers and manufacturers . including the 3 year old boy , who came up with the conclusion , are all wrong .

all the other readers who dissagree with these forum members alternate explantions , such as the size of the tree, or the sudden stop, etc etc etc .
wonder if they are living in some sort of parralel universe with others , who exist in a differant dimension to themselves .

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I know that I have posted this before, back in the midst of time. But since we are talking responsible driving and speed, I though this might tie in.
If you have seen it before dont click!! Sorry about the sound.
To anyone that looks at this, does this look dangerous? You can just make out the speedo at 160kph. It was filmed pre 01/01/07. I used to always travel like this, or faster, when the road conditions were rite. It becomes so "second nature" that on our last trip to Cairns, my wife read in the passenger seat, and fell asleep as usual, and my kids watched movies in the back.



What is dangerous about this?? Obviuosly if I was in a FB holden, or something as hideous, I would need to taken out and horse whipped!!

nothing is dangerous about it . till a kangaroo jumps out in front of you . then i think you might re evaluate your thought pattern .

[DOC]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

wonder if they are living in some sort of parralel universe with others , who exist in a differant dimension to themselves .

Whats all that mean in english wallace ?

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

mr x takes a bend at 35 kms hr and has a blowout causing him to run off the road and hit a tree. mr x hits the tree and the airbag goes off , stopping mr x from dying . mr x walks away concluding that the speed he was driving at saved his life . mr x later buys a porsche , and takes the same bend at 200kms an hr. due to the exceessive forces on the vehicle the car cannot remian on the road and mr x's car leaves the road, airborne and hits the same tree, the air bag goes off , breaking mr x's neck due to the speed related forces of the impact, then mr x's skull hits the windscreen smashing it , and the windscreen . the seatbelt tensioners have activated breaking mr x's corpses' ribs and pelvis mr x is now well and truly dead. A 3 year old toddler sees the whole thing , so does the 3 year olds father, sister, mother , and neighbour. . the 3 year old says to his dad . daddy that man is dead because he was speeding and his car hit the tree too fast causing him to be dead.
all the 3 year old boys realatives agree with him . the police come and inspect the accident and conclude the same thing . so do the parramedics, the doctor who pronounces mr x dead, so do the family and friends and acquantances that go to mr x's funeral , MR XS'S ghost also attends the funaral , thinking to himself . if only i wasnt speeding perhaps i wouldn't be dead . mr x 's ghost thinks about it for a while , and concludes that he is right.

somewhere out there online on a forum , many many , many people will dismiss the fact that speed killed mr x. they will even go to extreme rediculous statements to prove that mr' x's friends family, witnesses, police, doctors coriners , reporters, insurance companies, and car engineers and manufacturers . including the 3 year old boy , who came up with the conclusion , are all wrong .

all the other readers who dissagree with these forum members alternate explantions , such as the size of the tree, or the sudden stop, etc etc etc .
wonder if they are living in some sort of parralel universe with others , who exist in a differant dimension to themselves .

Mr X was driving too fast for the conditions. He was a moron, he had aleardy been around that corner at a much slower speed and wiped out. He is a low IQ bufoon that is best away from the gene pool. And BTW, if you knew anything about NT highways, you would know that there is less chance of a roo jumping out in front of you at 160kph than a 3 year old at 40kph in downtown sydney. This is of course day light hours only. At night time 60kph can be too fast, but the limit is 130kph. You see, roos can see and hear very well during daylight hours. They will spot you well before you see them. And besides, they are extremely in active during the day. In all the hours I have spent on the roads out here, I have NEVER seen a live roo on the road during the day.

[normxb]

When I was a Kid (geesh long ago) there was quite a number of (//) area's around where I live . The Law in those day's , the road was "unrestricted" limit , But , you had to prove you were "driving in a manner safe to other road users" . When this started getting Abused , in came the speed limit signs One particular road that lead to our farm was "down-graded" to 60mph(100k) when we left in 1970 , when I returned here in 1991 where the (//) was , it is now 60k's , about 3k's further 80k's , then 3 k's further 100k's . a sign of the times , the road has changed very little , but the cars are supposed to be "so much safer" and yet when I was a kid no-one was killed , since I've been back , there's been at least 5 . I can understand the "Down-grade" Longest straight about 1-2 k's long .

Now out in Outbackjack's area , the roads have been Upgraded , good long wide , flat for miles , "most" are regular drivers , can't see the why the restriction ,,, How long would the straights be there OBJ ? a lot longer than 1-2 k's , I bet .

[normxb]

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Norm

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by normxb

When I was a Kid (geesh long ago) there was quite a number of (//) area's around where I live . The Law in those day's , the road was "unrestricted" limit , But , you had to prove you were "driving in a manner safe to other road users" . When this started getting Abused , in came the speed limit signs One particular road that lead to our farm was "down-graded" to 60mph(100k) when we left in 1970 , when I returned here in 1991 where the (//) was , it is now 60k's , about 3k's further 80k's , then 3 k's further 100k's . a sign of the times , the road has changed very little , but the cars are supposed to be "so much safer" and yet when I was a kid no-one was killed , since I've been back , there's been at least 5 . I can understand the "Down-grade" Longest straight about 1-2 k's long .

Now out in Outbackjack's area , the roads have been Upgraded , good long wide , flat for miles , "most" are regular drivers , can't see the why the restriction ,,, How long would the straights be there OBJ ? a lot longer than 1-2 k's , I bet .

Most of the highways out here are at least 5 kilometers between any kind of bend or "curve". A bit like this.....

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Laminge

I have a question, is speeding going over the speed limit posted or driving over ones ability based on the various conditions at the time?

Yes, if you're over the limit then thats speeding. Thats what we're told. And what we're told has to be right. There's nothing wrong with driving to the limit really... eyes on the speedo. eyes one the posted limits. eyes looking out for speed cameras. eyes back on the speedo. oops, I'm 1 km/h over /slams on brakes. accelerate back up. eyes on speedo. watch out for more cameras. have school holidays started? I can't see kids around but I'll slow down anyway. I must stick to the speed limit or I will die. forget about the conditions around me. who cares about the kid crossing the road in a 70 zone, stuff him I'm sticking to the limit. I couldn't see him, my eyes were stuck on the speedo because speed kills.




/true story... driving through back streets in the old EF V8, I noticed a couple of little kids on their tricycles on the road with their backs to me... peddling down in the opposite lane. I stuck to the "limit"... one of them decided to turn in front of me as I was literally three metres away from him! I stopped in time thank God. How? The limit wasn't 50 anymore, to me it was 2km/h.



You see? Even I've got common sense. Well so I thought because a few weeks after that I lost my license for going over the limit by 9km/h.... again... funny thing that.... it only happens when the conditions a safe enough to double the posted limit... but then again, what would I know?

[merlin]

I drive to the appropriate conditions - speed limits have been set too low and are enforced too heavily via cameras with low tolererances. The sheep of this world swallow every word of the speed kills propaganda dished out by governments who have found a permanent revenue stream and use a reductive argument. Their favourite quote is "don't break the law and you won't get caught" - To be honest I picture these sorts of people as obtuse who have no ability to think for themselves, are either too scared or too stupid to question authority and are annoyingly facile. We live in a free democracy and it is free thinkers who make countries such as ours great, if everyone thought like the above we would live in Russia or China.

Thats not to say I don't believe in speed enforcement as it would be quite silly to say speed does not contribute to accidents (I prefer the word "collisions"). It still must be enforced or everyone would go nuts. I do however believe in police cars patrolling around and using their discretion combined with at least a 10% tolerance rather than the oppressive camera regime currently in place.

In over 10 years on the road (both cars and bikes) I have never had any collision of any sort (not even close) and yet I "speed" appropriatly most of the time depending on conditions. In my experience drivers with a lack of confidence, skill and training kill (which is unfortunatly the majority of drivers on the road.) In the meantime I'll keep ahead of them all and out of their way.

[Eu-GenixX]

are people really that deluded... to beleive it's not speed that kills.. it's colliding with an object that kills?

either way... "speed kills".. is an exaggeration... "speed doesn't kill"... is a lie

[SB076]

Originally Posted by Eu-GenixX

are people really that deluded... to beleive it's not speed that kills.. it's colliding with an object that kills?

either way... "speed kills".. is an exaggeration... "speed doesn't kill"... is a lie

As others have said define speed, are you refering to a vehicle travelling at a speed below the posted limit? Or are you refering to vehicle travelling above the posted limit. If everyone travelled at 40k's an hour would there still be accidents - yes would there be fatalities - yes if a driver is travelling at 40 and hits a person before being able to react than the impact of 40k's is more than enough to kill a person (Fatalities are cause be either rapid acceleration or deceleration of the body)

In going through the thread no one is saying that we can drive at whatever speed we want, people are simply questioning the goverments stance on vehicles travelling above the posted limit. If you choose to beleive that travelling at the speed the white signs says is safe then thats up to you. I choose to beleive that there are many factors that lead to accidents and that all need to be considered, I dont beleive that travelling at 85 k's and hour in a 80 is necessary unsafe as others have said it depends on circumstances

[swanee]

Originally Posted by trick_xd

Speed NEVER KiLL's

Its always the SUDDEN STOP at the end that does it...

I was going to say the same thing! hahaha

[flappist]

Driving kills

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

mr x takes a bend at 35 kms hr and has a blowout causing him to run off the road and hit a tree. mr x hits the tree and the airbag goes off , stopping mr x from dying . mr x walks away concluding that the speed he was driving at saved his life . mr x later buys a porsche , and takes the same bend at 200kms an hr. due to the exceessive forces on the vehicle the car cannot remian on the road and mr x's car leaves the road, airborne and hits the same tree, the air bag goes off , breaking mr x's neck due to the speed related forces of the impact, then mr x's skull hits the windscreen smashing it , and the windscreen . the seatbelt tensioners have activated breaking mr x's corpses' ribs and pelvis mr x is now well and truly dead. A 3 year old toddler sees the whole thing , so does the 3 year olds father, sister, mother , and neighbour. . the 3 year old says to his dad . daddy that man is dead because he was speeding and his car hit the tree too fast causing him to be dead.
all the 3 year old boys realatives agree with him . the police come and inspect the accident and conclude the same thing . so do the parramedics, the doctor who pronounces mr x dead, so do the family and friends and acquantances that go to mr x's funeral , MR XS'S ghost also attends the funaral , thinking to himself . if only i wasnt speeding perhaps i wouldn't be dead . mr x 's ghost thinks about it for a while , and concludes that he is right.

somewhere out there online on a forum , many many , many people will dismiss the fact that speed killed mr x. they will even go to extreme rediculous statements to prove that mr' x's friends family, witnesses, police, doctors coriners , reporters, insurance companies, and car engineers and manufacturers . including the 3 year old boy , who came up with the conclusion , are all wrong .

all the other readers who dissagree with these forum members alternate explantions , such as the size of the tree, or the sudden stop, etc etc etc .
wonder if they are living in some sort of parralel universe with others , who exist in a differant dimension to themselves .

So what your saying is that 35km/h is 5.7x safer then 200km/h which is 200x more dangerous then 1km/h. Wow, every k over really is a killer, or is 35 just the magical number? if this is the case, can we revert to the imperial system and be equally safe at 35m/h ?

[Mongoose]

Originally Posted by flappist

Driving kills

awwww, i was hoping for one of your really long an informative posts. :( im sad now

[majin_andrew]

I believe that driving at speeds too fast for the conditions is more dangerous than driving at appropriate speeds for the conditions.

I also believe that concentrating on the speedometer is more dangerous than concentrating on the road.

I also believe that overtaking a semitrailer doing 95km/hr on a typical highway without exceeding 100km/hr is dangerous.

[new2ford]

^^
Spot on majin_andrew.

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

But speed camera's only care about the posted speed limit. They are road condition ignorant. EG, this happened to me about 12 months ago.... Gold Coast freeway, between Helensvale (SP?) and Brissy, one mutha of a thunder storm with extremely heavy rain..... 60kph was too fast for the conditions, but still, mum and dad camry driver were still overtaking at the speed limit (100kph). This was dangerous driving at its worst, but no speed camera would be taking pictures of them!!

Even more depressing is the almost certain fact that if a police car was following that Camry there would be no attempt to book him for dangerous driving.

Thanks for holding the fort so well on this topic Outbackjack.

I have a confession. I am a dangerous speeding driver, a menace to the community. I have been booked several times in Australia in 35 years of driving for exceeding the speed limit on long straight stretches of rural road or motorway with clear vision on dry days. Funnily enough though, I have never had an accident in all of those 35 years, probably best part of 1 million km all over Australia, Europe and the US., LHD and RHD, on the left side of the road and the right side of the road, in heat, sleet, ice and snow. My philosophy is driving at speed appropriate to the circumstances, keeping a proper watch, being defensive, having my foot over the brake rather than the throttle if there is any doubt. But in Australia I am a road-safety menace apparently.

But in Europe on the other hand.... now that was a pleasure. But driving in Europe does remind you how poor driving skills are in Australia which I guess is the simplistic bureaucratic reason for the speed limit obsession. But it's the wrong answer. Speed doesn't kill, bad driving does, at any speed.

[gtfpv]

well , obviously , nobody here has had an accident , becuase they were going 10kms overthe limit. like i have, before that i hadn't had an accident for 20 years. if i was travelling at 70kms /hr. instead of 80. i believe the accident wouldnt of happened and i would 've stopped in time . also just missed someone standing on the road, by a fraction, during this accident. i think if i was doing 85 instead of 80, i may have hit and killed this pedestrian on the road . and it woulkd of purely been because of low limit speeding.
it changed my thinking. obviously no one else seems to see it like i do . or had this happen to them . yet.
there was nothing i could do to avoid the accident. in this case if i was going the posted speed limit. i think my car wouldve stopped in time.

i really cant believe that people dont believe that speed killls. perhaps that is why so many get killed on the roads . other things cause fatalities too, like drink driving, falling asleep, complacency, animals, punctures, why is it that people dont think that someone coming the other way, may just be speeding and lose control veer into your lane , and kill you . why do people get angry when people believe this thing happens .
it has nothing to o with driver skill or farquing gene pools .