Will Kyoto spell the end for aussie muscle?

[87xfdriver]

It's a shame we won't be going nuclear- what a great power source! I think the combustion of coal in power stations pollutes more than cars. Yep, Nuclear Power has come a long way since Chenobyl.

[MethodX]

What I think could damage the industry here more is the tarriff situation.
If the tariffs drop too low, the makers could pack up and leave.


The Labor party has university educated people in it also.

[rodderz]

Can we leave political debate out of the thread please, we have seen time and time again, and with the last page that it only ends up in insults and banter between members and ends up with a padlock.

The topic seems a worthwhile discussion, but leave the polly parties and unions etc arguments off the forums

[la2or]

Originally Posted by SLO-04L

personally i would rather drive a 6cyl falcon and not have to deal with melting polar icecaps and drought at the same time, than drive a big v8 and have to cruise around with my aircon on because of the 45degree days in winter,

Its evolution, in order for the Australian automotive industry to survive it will need to adapt and evolve into the new conditions, you don't need a big capacity car to make big power and at the same time big capacity doesn't have to mean higher emissions, the manufacturers will just have to spend more money on developing an engine that is both powerful and ecconomic, personally i think this would be a great development!

The difference is negligible you idiot. You think yourself driving a v8 or 6 will make any difference.

Australia is small in terms of the world anything australia does even on a large scale will be negligible. Reducing emissions a negligible amount has not been proven to make a difference.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by Envi XR8

you are quite wrong there. Both sides of politics promised big spending leading into the election, not just Rudd & Co. The surplus was history regardless of who won. What differed was where it would be spent and at what percentage.



this has to be the biggest load of bullsh!t i've ever heard. He's a grub, pure and simple.
2 things Mark Latham said that he got right was George W Bush is the most incompetent US President in history, and John Howard is an ar$e-licker.



You need to consider a few things here. A degree does not always equal smart or better, otherwise a uni student would be able to fix their own car.
You say (no offence), how can someone not take offence at this statement?
BTW there are accountants, economists, lawyers, environmentalists on both sides of parliament. Where were all these gurus, which are apparently exclusive to the Liberal Party, when Howard was treasurer from '75 to '83 under Malcolm Fraser? He successfully acheived an economic phenomenon stagflation, where you get high unemployment and high inflation occurring at the same time. He also managed to get 22% cash interest rates, and your accusing Labor of bleeding the economy dry?

now I have that off my chest, and now back on topic, why does Kyoto spell the end of our beloved toys? Is there no provision in Kyoto to develop green fuels? If the fuels we use do not create nasty by-products from the chemical reaction of combustion, the problem would be reduced; e.i what they are trying with E10? Surely that is also an option?

Agree 150% with everything above.


As far as kyoto is concerned, australia is already on track to meet or better the emission targets set by kyoto,it was merely a symbolic gesture that should have been excepted by the australian government years ago,and to say it will ruin the australain economy is just typical conservative scare mongering.

[la2or]

Ethanol fuel is plain and simple. Even if everyone with v8s changed to 6s there would be no difference to global warming.

Howard was a great prime minister.

[merlin]

The ignorance is strong in this thread...

[la2or]

Originally Posted by SLO-04L

personally i would rather drive a 6cyl falcon and not have to deal with melting polar icecaps and drought at the same time, than drive a big v8 and have to cruise around with my aircon on because of the 45degree days in winter,

The temperature is going to increase 25 degrees(about 20 degrees in winter usually) if we dont change.

If the the global warming bullshitters like Al Gore only claim the temperature will increase 5 degrees over 100 years or something miniscule.

THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE.

[SuperMono]

Originally Posted by merlin

The ignorance is strong in this thread...

Agree with you, the council does Obi-Wan.

Good to see Google quoted as good source for facts!
Wonder what this thread was about in the first place?

[la2or]

We know only the ABC,SBS, Al Gore and other leftwing sources are good reliable sources of information.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by SLO-04L

personally i would rather drive a 6cyl falcon and not have to deal with melting polar icecaps and drought at the same time, than drive a big v8 and have to cruise around with my aircon on because of the 45degree days in winter

Yeah, because your huge 4.0litre Six is so much cleaner then a V8 engine that complies to stricter emissions regulations then Australia enforces. :

45° Winter?

Someone takes the Global Warming Lies a bit too seriously... good to see their propaganda works though. Us sane thinkers will keep driving whatever we want and knowing nothing is going to happen to anybody... :

[|||]

i hate winter so global warming is fine by me

[vztrt]

Fuel prices will kill muscle cars off.

[KeeddleZ]

Will kill off people driving them every day, not going to stop the weekenders. I dont think everyone is going to give up there passion just because of fuel prices, i personally would pay $2/l to go out for a cruise.

[mr_xr8]

Originally Posted by t2te50

The economic costs involved in rattifying kyoto are astronomical. Labour have seen the cash cow that is our budget surplus and now are going to slaughter it :.

John Howard was the most sincere and dignified Prime minister this country has ever had, a straight shooter when compared to the rest. We have done a great injustice to this man, especialy my own generation.

Giving Labour power is like giving power to a couple of council road workers (no offence). We need educated individuals like lawyers, barristers, accountants leading this nation and not a pack of unionists that bleed the economy dry.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by t2te50

The economic costs involved in rattifying kyoto are astronomical. Labour have seen the cash cow that is our budget surplus and now are going to slaughter it :.

John Howard was the most sincere and dignified Prime minister this country has ever had, a straight shooter when compared to the rest. We have done a great injustice to this man, especialy my own generation.

Giving Labour power is like giving power to a couple of council road workers (no offence). We need educated individuals like lawyers, barristers, accountants leading this nation and not a pack of unionists that bleed the economy dry.

Large capacity sports cars are dead IMO. All the half strangled BOSS v8's out there confirm this.

John Howard in 1996 said "10 years is too long to have one party in power"

The Labour party isn't in power.
The Labor party is.

One of their MP's was previously appointed to the UN as an expert of ecconomics

Many Labor PM's have been Rhodes scholars

Unfortunatley predicting the effects of climate change will never be an exact art. But it cant be good for the environment when everyone takes a canoe to work.



Where is Laminge when you need him?

[|||]

Originally Posted by irlewy86

John Howard in 1996 said "10 years is too long to have one party in power"

how can you tell when a politician is lying?

his lips are moving






lol

[Tealglow]

There is an easy solution to "Climate Change"

If you believe, you owe it to yourself to stop exhaling CO2 (or Carbon in the modern vernacular), and you can rest easy knowing you have taken a stance.

I personally will wait around for the scientific proof rather than rely on marketing and public profile to sway my judgement.
And get my 393 Clevo running prior to judgement day


Mankind have previously been led down the garden path to immanent doom on a global level for the personal benefit of a relative few.(Y2K anyone?)

At least the media will win whatever the outcome. Trying to find fillers for a 24/7 News channel must be a .

[xbgs351]

Originally Posted by feebs

Aus allready complies with KYOTO.. was largely a symbolic agreement more than anything else.

Good to see someone know whats going on. ABC radio said last night that Australia is currently within 1% of hitting it's target. I don't know why the coalition didn't publicise this more, arguing which is better; signing Kyoto and not meeting the targets like some other countries afre doing, or not signing Kyoto and meeting the targets.

[S3SR]

just keep your old school muscle car registered.... whats the problem??
they cant take it off you, just say its your only car, buy me a new one and i wont drive it, just like leaded cars they cant say dont drive it anymore...i dont understand

all it means is everything new will have tougher rules to comply with...

[HTCURRY]

Originally Posted by xbgs351

Good to see someone know whats going on. ABC radio said last night that Australia is currently within 1% of hitting it's target. I don't know why the coalition didn't publicise this more, arguing which is better; signing Kyoto and not meeting the targets like some other countries afre doing, or not signing Kyoto and meeting the targets.

Why u ask? so that the people already blaming the premature death of the aussie muscle car industry on Labor, wouldnt do the same to them.

Also Kyoto allows developed countries to buy up credit. That is, you can help a developing country decrease its levels of emissions and a portion of that in turn counts towards your obligations. Basically allowing for an end around the system.

Seems to me like there are scare mongerers on both sides of the issue.

To those banging on about university graduates and the Labor party not having them...i was always led to believe Labor was loved by the left wing do gooders, sounds like uni students to me...hehe.

Secondly and more importantly George W. Bush went to Yale university and Harvard Business School.

I think the 'council worker' is looking pretty good.

[farmernz]

bigger engines=more co2= better summers, big block orion anyone?

[SB076]

I heard global warming was just a myth created by ricers as an excuse for there cars performance

[StealthAu]

Climate change is a joke, if they paid scientists enough money they could also prove the existence of Santa

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by Envi XR8

You need to consider a few things here. A degree does not always equal smart or better, otherwise a uni student would be able to fix their own car.

That would qualify as the sutpidest comment of the year. a degree in medicine economics or law shoud teach someone how to fix a car : so that means you should be able to see someone with a mechanical engineering degree and he can peform surgery on you, represent you in court and do the books for your buisness?? get real

[Fev]

dont worry, it just means more powerful NA6's and turbos heheh

and some of you guys need to pull your heads out.. some very stupid comments

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by stockoau

Climate change is a joke, if they paid scientists enough money they could also prove the existence of Santa

YOU MEAN HE'S NOT REAL!!!!...*runs off crying*....yeah I'm board

[87xfdriver]

According to studies, Australia's coal fired power stations account for one third of our total carbon dioxide levels, while transport only produces 1/3 of CO emmisions. So if anyone needs to be worried about ramifications of Kyoto it should be every ba$tard sitting in their loungeroom watching "Inconvienient Truth", "The great greenhouse swindle", etc. infront of their cheap Chinese split cycle air conditioner, pushing electricity consumption to the limit. Expect brown outs this summer.

The rest of the world are gonna be paying Australia to to dump the spent uranium rods we originally sold them in central Australia anyway so we might as well make use of our vast Uranium deposits for clean cheap power. We'd have to import nuclear engineers to run them though, we don't have any.

So what I'm saying is sure tune our cars to run efficiently hence causing less pollutants, but power stations by far are the main offenders here.

[Fev]

i dont expect brown outs, i expect my ducted fujitsu aircon to die 5 or 10 times.. gets so god damn hot in the shade sometimes we usually have to hose it down

Kyoto effects all emissions, not just cars

[Geez Louise]

Originally Posted by SB076

I heard global warming was just a myth created by ricers as an excuse for there cars performance

Oh...that's not a myth!! Urban Legend!