March 08 Vfacts - Page 3

flappist · 05-04-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

So you work at a Toyota dealer....................

I have had the opposite experience to you. All our work Toyotas have been thirsty and reliable.

We have had 3 Toyota problems in the last MONTH!

1)Slipping clutch and then gearbox commited suicide in Toyota Hilux.
2)Toyota Aurion isn't rainproof-water leak into cabin
3)Toyota Camry failed to start and had to be towed.

Add to that the horrendous fuel economy:
1)14.5L/100 kays for Toyota Camry
2)15.5L/100 kays for Toyota Aurion
3) 300 kays a tank for 2.7L Petrol Hilux

Compare that to 15L/100 kay for Commodore and Falcon and 800-1000 kays a tank for E-Gas Falcon Wagons combined with flawless reliability and I know what I prefer.

Toyota quality is a myth!

You can't tell me the Hilux built in Thailand is any better built than the Courier built next door!

Heres a good article on the subject:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toy...ty-is-job-one/

So you are back to pretending you are an engineer in your profile again are you? Well I suppose that has same credibility as almost everything else you post.

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Originally Posted by profile in case it gets changed

Birthday: February 3, 1986
Biography: I own a 1999 Fairmont Ghia VCT and a 1991 Ford Laser Ghia
Location: NSW
Interests: Cars, Motorcycles, Fishing
Occupation: Engineer

If you WERE an engineer instead of a child on a fantasy trip who works as a pleb in a civil engineering company you would probably have enough intelligence to work out what I actually do for a living.

Scott · 05-04-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I wonder if others are seeing problems with falcon/commodore and doing what I am doing, leaving only the true believers/weekend warriors to maintain the marques......

Sorry to have to agree, I will be shopping far and wide when I upgrade sometime in the next 18 months. Pound for pound the FPV/HSV's are way ahead of most but who needs to fight with FPV over warranty? As often as we do??

sleekism · 06-04-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

So you are back to pretending you are an engineer in your profile again are you? Well I suppose that has same credibility as almost everything else you post.
If you WERE an engineer instead of a child on a fantasy trip who works as a pleb in a civil engineering company you would probably have enough intelligence to work out what I actually do for a living.

What's with the personal insults mate??

I work in Local Government as a Cadet Engineering Officer specifically in the design section studying Civil Engineering at university.

I have tried extending my job title on my profile but it never lets me.

So I post what experience I have had with our council fleet and my opinion is discredited?

Your a sad little man.

SpoolMan · 06-04-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

I am staggered as to why so many Corollas are being bought, I understand most would be fleet but still. I guess Toyota can give fleet discounts like no other.

Biggest selling private car in Australia.....

flappist · 06-04-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

What's with the personal insults mate??

I work in Local Government as a Cadet Engineering Officer specifically in the design section studying Civil Engineering at university.

So I post what experience I have had with our council fleet and my opinion is discredited?

Your a sad little man.

And while you are studying at university you're a student not an engineer.

(and this is not the first time you have had this pointed out to you is it?)

Smoke Pursuit · 06-04-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

So you are back to pretending you are an engineer in your profile again are you? Well I suppose that has same credibility as almost everything else you post.
If you WERE an engineer instead of a child on a fantasy trip who works as a pleb in a civil engineering company you would probably have enough intelligence to work out what I actually do for a living.

Pfft......

Ease up with the personal comments....

SpoolMan · 06-04-2008, 10:22 AM

Guys the score is 2 all, can we now get back to the thread without the personal remarks, everyone is entitled to post there opinion or experience without the B/S.

sleekism · 06-04-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

And while you are studying at university you're a student not an engineer.

(and this is not the first time you have had this pointed out to you is it?)

I tried changing it before but apparently you are only allowed one word.

I would prefer Cadet Engineer seeing as I do work 40 hours a week.

sleekism · 06-04-2008, 10:25 AM

I keep trying but it wont let me change my job title not even to student???

McobraR · 06-04-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

So you work at a Toyota dealer....................

I have had the opposite experience to you. All our work Toyotas have been thirsty and reliable.

We have had 3 Toyota problems in the last MONTH!

1)Slipping clutch and then gearbox commited suicide in Toyota Hilux.
2)Toyota Aurion isn't rainproof-water leak into cabin
3)Toyota Camry failed to start and had to be towed.

Add to that the horrendous fuel economy:
1)14.5L/100 kays for Toyota Camry
2)15.5L/100 kays for Toyota Aurion
3) 300 kays a tank for 2.7L Petrol Hilux

Compare that to 15L/100 kay for Commodore and Falcon and 800-1000 kays a tank for E-Gas Falcon Wagons combined with flawless reliability and I know what I prefer.

Toyota quality is a myth!

You can't tell me the Hilux built in Thailand is any better built than the Courier built next door!

Heres a good article on the subject:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toy...ty-is-job-one/

My experiences, and im sure many, are probably against your's mate (not saying your's is made up). Family owns a camry, and i own a commie, and i can tell you a commie is NOT reliable (afterall, its only been the most recalled car in australia) but that camry has been hard as nails, so you must be the very few that experience problems with toyotas.
After what people here are saying, i might actually not buy that XR8 i want in a couple years time, cus i was thinking the falc to be at least better than the commie in terms of reliability.

sleekism · 06-04-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by McobraR

My experiences, and im sure many, are probably against your's mate (not saying your's is made up). Family owns a camry, and i own a commie, and i can tell you a commie is NOT reliable (afterall, its only been the most recalled car in australia) but that camry has been hard as nails, so you must be the very few that experience problems with toyotas.
After what people here are saying, i might actually not buy that XR8 i want in a couple years time, cus i was thinking the falc to be at least better than the commie in terms of reliability.

I'm not saying the Toyotas are badly built that just in my experience they are not built any better than the competition.

If I was going to buy a small or medium car I would go a Mazda. They look good, have decent performace and are very reliable.

My Laser had a Mazda engine (BP?) and it was probably the best car I ever had.

My parents love KF Laser's so much they now have two.

Deadman · 06-04-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RATT

Mitsubishi
Mitsubishi Lancer 1,902

I'm really glad to see that for some reason. It's a great car and really deserves 2000+ sales per month. I was just hoping it didn't get stuck with some of the "Mitsubishi" stigma that seems to float around these days.

DanielXR8 · 06-04-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I wonder if others are seeing problems with falcon/commodore and doing what I am doing, leaving only the true believers/weekend warriors to maintain the marques......

Yeap that would be me. Got sick of warranty claims and the arrogance of the local Ford dealer. GT was the least reliable car I have owned and really spoilt the ownership experience. Looked at Holden, but the local dealer has stories around town about unhappy customers.

Bought a Mazda 6 MPS and never had a problem with it. Zero warranty claims and just works. Terri will go in a couple of years and if Ford quality and dealers havent been straightened out by then it will be no more Fords here.

We also had a new Toyota dealership open and it hit all the dealers for six. The old Toyota dealer was pretty ordinary and was apparently complaining that Toyota was hard to deal with. ;) New dealer got a big chunk of the private and commercial market when they opened and certainly took sales from other brands. I suspect a lot of local fleet cars that once had Ford and Holden badges are now carrying Toyota ones instead.

All comes down to quality and customer experience. Ford just don't get it.

Dan

loltastic · 06-04-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadman

I'm really glad to see that for some reason. It's a great car and really deserves 2000+ sales per month. I was just hoping it didn't get stuck with some of the "Mitsubishi" stigma that seems to float around these days.

Those new Lancers really look the goods on the road. Only problem atm is supply. People are waiting 3+ months for VRX and VR models, so expect to see sales increase more once supply issues are fixed.

Feral Ford · 06-04-2008, 03:07 PM

Ford Fairlane 14

Why are they dropping the fairlane & LTD- cant they see their still selling like hot cakes

Still, it's a dam shame for they’ve been a good true blue cruiser over the years.

Rodp · 06-04-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by McobraR

After what people here are saying, i might actually not buy that XR8 i want in a couple years time, cus i was thinking the falc to be at least better than the commie in terms of reliability.

Given that it was the first of the series, I thought the build quality of my 2004 XR8 is excellent. Fit and finish is good, mechanically A1.

Two problems I had, the aircon diffuser (?) got stuck so I couldn't regulate heat and cold, fixed under warranty. Most recently bonnet release handle snapped while trying to get at the compliance plate because she's being sold. Typical.

Petrol prices will be a bigger concern in a few years time than reliability, that's for sure. :(

Rodp · 06-04-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadman

I'm really glad to see that for some reason. It's a great car and really deserves 2000+ sales per month. I was just hoping it didn't get stuck with some of the "Mitsubishi" stigma that seems to float around these days.

Having been recently car shopping, if I was looking at a car in that segment, it would have been one of the first I would have looked at. I like the styling, well appointed and at a good price.

Rodp · 06-04-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I wonder if others are seeing problems with falcon/commodore and doing what I am doing, leaving only the true believers/weekend warriors to maintain the marques......

I've been stung twice now with woeful resale, and sadly the one offering me least as a trade in was Ford when I was trying to go in and buy another Ford!

I grew up in Fords and of the 15 cars I've owned, 11 of them have been Fords. My next car is a VW and when it's time for replacement, I doubt the first yard I visit will be a Ford yard, though I'll probably get an excellent trade in figure because it's not a Ford...

stevz · 06-04-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

No actually ..... they are shocking!

Holden hierarchy are very (actually extremely) concerned considering the FG is around the corner. Any movement away from C'dores to FG, and with all other FORD products going to expectations, there will be a switching of the 2 & 3 position! This year?

There are major worries happening at the red centre with a very lack lustre Daewoo collection on offer and a C'dore that was a 'billion dollar' investment not emphatically beating an old BF model!

Unless you are on the board of directors at GMH, how on earth would you know what is going on inside their boardroom? Give me facts, not this imaginary garbage.

Nikked · 06-04-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

Unless you are on the board of directors at GMH, how on earth would you know what is going on inside their boardroom? Give me facts, not this imaginary garbage.

I'ld say he is right on the mark.

XR Martin · 06-04-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Biggest selling private car in Australia.....

No thats the Mazda 3.

80% of Corolla's sales are fleet. (most to rental companies)

Windsor220 · 06-04-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

No actually ..... they are shocking!

Holden hierarchy are very (actually extremely) concerned considering the FG is around the corner. Any movement away from C'dores to FG, and with all other FORD products going to expectations, there will be a switching of the 2 & 3 position! This year?

I doubt it. The Daewoos are still matching Fords offerings and there's more of them too. Falcon will never outsell Commodore again. If it does i'll eat humble pie.

Dave_au · 06-04-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

80% of Corolla's sales are fleet. (most to rental companies)

Not during the 2006 year - and I doubt that's changed. 40% fleet, 60% private.

Meanwhile falcon was 88% fleet.....

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Originally Posted by Drive

According to figures obtained by Drive, the No.1 selling car among private customers this year is the Toyota Corolla (above left), followed closely by the Mazda3 (centre), with Toyota's Yaris (right) and the Echo model it replaced No.3. Commodore comes in at No.9. Imported vehicles fill the top eight spots on the private top-sellers list.

The figures are sure to create big headaches for Australia's four local manufacturers, which all make large cars.

Private consumers buy four times as many Corollas as they do locally built Falcons and four-cylinder Camrys. Private sales of Corolla are more than double those of Commodore....

The figures reveal that 88 per cent of Falcon buyers are fleet customers, compared with 81 per cent for Commodore.

The Toyota Corolla, which is overall the country's second biggest seller, sells mainly (60 per cent) to private buyers.

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XR Martin · 06-04-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

Not during the 2006 year - and I doubt that's changed. 40% fleet, 60% private.

Meanwhile falcon was 88% fleet.....

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Still makes Corollas private sales less than the Mazda 3.

Dave_au · 07-04-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Still makes Corollas private sales less than the Mazda 3.

Got a source?

sleekism · 07-04-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

Got a source?

I saw the same thing on Drive.

It hasn't done it yet but the Mazda3 is set to overtake the Toyota Corolla and become Australias favourite small car and possibly favourite car by 2010.

This is despite the Mazda 3 being 100% retail while the Corolla is increasingly becoming the fleet darling with an estimated 50/50 mix in 2007.

I think the Mazda 3 deserves to be Australias favourite.

Good looking car with a choice of hatchback or sedan and 3 engine choices the 2.0, 2.3 and 2.3 turbo (diesel?). The Mazda 3 is a million times better than the Corolla junk.

Poetic Justice · 07-04-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

The Mazda 3 is a million times better than the Corolla junk.

Not that I'm saying you're wrong here, and sure I might be possibly biased by my profession. But can you back this comment up? Both that the Mazda 3 is better marginally in your opinion and how the Corolla can be called junk?

Also, can someone clear up for me why Mazda 3 isn't sold to fleets? Do Mazda not allow it, or not give out fleet rebates or what?

irlewy86 · 07-04-2008, 12:27 PM

I'd still like to know how Holden sold 3 Monaro's when they supposedly stopped making them 2 years ago??????????

RATT · 07-04-2008, 12:47 PM

My guess is that Mazda don't offer "fleet" discounts to anyone. This has made the brand very appealing and as a result, resale is great too. Ford, Holden or Toyota would never get away with not offering fleet prices. They would be accused of "ripping people off".

The 3 Monaros would have been a few that are still left unsold.

Poetic Justice · 07-04-2008, 12:52 PM

I'm told that Mazda's "whole of life" cost isn't too attractive to fleet purchasers (price, running costs from servicing to fuel, then resale).