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Still some complication there, with LPG sedans and LPG wagons and RWD Territory - all with 4-speed auto.
Unfortunately, that hodge podge of parts stays until early 2011.... |
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Depends how LPG really sells with ZF now available on many petrol sedans, the build numbers may be small. |
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The other figure I remembered was 278 units per day increasing up to 290 units per day. Which is essentially 4-5%. But the 15% yearly increase stuck in my mind.
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I'd much rather see 200 G or XR cars in the marketplace than 200 Wagons. But the chances are by getting rid of it means 400 G-XR-Terries can be built.
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I still cant see where the buyers are gonna come from for all the extra Falcons they can make. To make the sales, do you lower your fleet prices lower than your competitor, who is selling at a loss, and will fight tooth and nail to keep those sales to ensure thru put at their own plant.
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Maybe Ford is to close with order/delivery and needs a slight buffer of cars to satisfy dealer walk-in buyers... |
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If ford sold 1 falcon next month, but sold two the month later they would have increased sales by 100% (but the margins are great!) Personally i think ford are have entered the first stage of grief - denial. |
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And the end of the day, all these sales numbers are BS!! What they should show is the btm line (profit or loss) made by each company each month!! Also, in the world of finance qty sold is meaningless completely, only the sales/marketing department look at qty. In the finance department it is all about revene in dollors & cents.. I wonder how they all add up if we where to look at it this way? Market share in alot of industrys is also worked out on dollors & cents & not qty as in car sales industry.. |
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where you have up to 22 manufacturers competing but look at actual sales and you'll see that Ford still sold 8,092 vehicles, vehicles that are not throw away fleet hack sales.: 1. Toyota 20,306 (51,684) 2. Holden 11,795 (33,476) 3. Ford 8092 (21,970) 4. Hyundai 7797 (21,213) 5. Mazda 7453 (21,114) 6. Nissan 6558 (15,298) 7. Mitsubishi 5556 (14,622) 8. Honda 4153 (10,261) 9. Subaru 3679 (10,217) 10. Volkswagen 3034 (8369) |
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2500 units of Falcon is great, particularly if they can make a profit on each unit they sell. I think alot of people aren't looking closely enough at what is behind the "low" numbers. 2500 units at an average sale price of $40,000 is one hundred million dollars worth of Falcons purchased each month, nothing to sneeze at whatsoever. Now with Ford selling a larger proportion of higher end models to private buyers, the average profit made on each of those 2500 sales per month is higher, meaning Ford is taking a larger slice of that hundred million dollars as profit.
Now look to Holden, who sell nearly double the volume of Falcon sales. I'd bet that atleast 60% of those sales are fleet hacks that Holden make next to nothing on. So what's the point of selling 1500 fleet pack Omegas that don't generate profit? They may as well do Falcon numbers and make a margin on every car they sell, rather than giving away half your volume at near cost price and at the same time destroying your resale values. Ford aren't doing that badly; I bet they make more profit on less volume than Commodore. I just wish that they would either scrap XT or improve it, because it really does tarnish the rest of the range. I vote scrap it, make XR6/G6 the new base models. |
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For a dealer to sell a $35000 car, they have purchased it for approx $28000. Then you add on $600 transport, $700 rego, $3000 GST, $1200 stamp duty, $1000 dealer margin, $300 finance costs. 4000 cars (2500 falcons, 750 utes, 750 territories) @ $28000 = $112 million At 4200 employees in geelong and campbellfield @ $5000 each per month = $21 million (yeah i know, most workers dont earn this, but alot do, and with 9% super, 4% payroll tax, workcover etc it all adds up). 3 employees at suppliers for each ford employer = $63 million. Total wages = $84 million. Plus $5 million to maintain facilities, $7 million in depreciation = total of $96 million. And i am sure there are alot of other costs i havent included. So conservatively, Ford and its suppliers have less than $4000 to spend on material to make a car. Thus I assume they (and their suppliers combined) lose quite a few thousand dollars on each car. At 3500 cars a month, you are just able to pay wages, and other fixed costs. You dont have money to buy materials. |
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There's no correlation between profit and quantity. The ONLY benefit of quantity of sales is a marketing one. Nothing else. |
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The point to take home is, Ford is moving (approximately) $100 million worth of Falcons each month (this is not including ute and Territory sales). The greater the concentration of higher end models that make up the mix, the more money Ford takes home. We could sit around all day and play with make believe numbers for Ford's financials, but it really is a useless exercise, I do commend you for trying though. The only thing I will comment about with your numbers is that the wages are out by a huge margin. The thought that employees from Auto parts suppliers take home $5000 a month is unrealistic, and that accounts for $61 million of your calculations so your end figure of $4000 allowance in materials is grossly understated. 7 million in depreciation also seems a bit much for a monthly figure. I'd have thought that most of the core equipment in that plant would have a life of 10 years easily, which @ 7 million per month depreciation (I'm assuming straight line dep) would value Ford's equipment assets in excess of $800 million. |
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away form large vehicles but it also looks like a lot of those sales are going to Medium SUVs. Nod doubt things would have been a lot different had Gorman followed Polites plan of a Diesel Territory by 2006, that move alone would have kept the sales of Territory strong. True that the local products only make up half of those Ford sales but the half which Falcon products occupy generates far more revenue due to average transaction price being much higher. I'm willing to wait and see what effect a refreshed XT and Ecoboost I-4 have on fleet sales and private buyers and also the second coming of Territory with its new 6 speed auto transmissions across the range and brilliant V6 diesel. It's hard I know because everything appears to always be 12 months away but if Ford keeps it head and sells high series products but also manages fleet sales well this could be very interesting times. I doubt that Holden would survive at these product levels but Ford's internal changes and reduction of 600 employees now makes it an extremely lean manufacturer in Australia. Last edited by jpd80; 08-04-2010 at 05:52 AM. |
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Is there a reference to the 'commo 75% fleet sales' thing I hear all the time? Or is this assumed fact?
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