Proof QLD Speed Cameras are Revenue Raising..

[MAD]

Originally Posted by sudszy

So you are comparing the behaviour of dogs to humans? a dog cant remember what it did a minute ago hence why its behaviour for anything needs to be rewarded/punished immediately.

Are you actually being serious there?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Ben73

LOL If you are being serious I feel sorry for you.

i think we've had enough of these discussions for you to know where i stand.

someone probably thought he'd converted me

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Shame you've been involved in two accidents, but they weren't your fault? Yes, we hear that all the time(it was the other guy), but interestingly it comes from someone who has a disregard and actively violates current road laws.

The odds at such a young age to have been involved in two? very low, perhaps there is something else at work here involving your road skills.

Just thinking out loud, perhaps there was nothing that could have avoided it, so dont take it personally, we dont need to have the accidents described to us, we'll move on.



I too see a need for more Police on the road and for them to be perhaps concentrating on areas which cameras cant detect, it doesnt produce a rationale that speed cameras dont serve a good purpose though.

First accident I was in I was in passenger seat... so yeah my fault hey. Both cars were doing 25 or less and was a result of a lack of concentration.

Second accident is when a car turned in front of me while I was doing 30-35 in a 40 school zone while the normal limit was 50.
Pretty much unavoidable if someone turns a few metres in front of you with no warning. Cops turned up and fined the other driver. So I guess that wasn't my fault either.

Also you claim that I disregard and actively violate road rules. Well I have never been fined, warned or pulled over. So I think that stands for itself.

Just because I think speed cameras are revenue raising tools especially when used in conjunction with speed limits that seam a bit low, does not mean I drive around like a maniac.

Nice try though anyway.

[MAD]

Dont worry about the facts getting in the way of a good character defamation.
Just another typical sudszy response to a post he cant dispute.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Ben73

First accident I was in I was in passenger seat... so yeah my fault hey. Both cars were doing 25 or less and was a result of a lack of concentration.

Second accident is when a car turned in front of me while I was doing 30-35 in a 40 school zone while the normal limit was 50.
Pretty much unavoidable if someone turns a few metres in front of you with no warning. Cops turned up and fined the other driver. So I guess that wasn't my fault either.

Also you claim that I disregard and actively violate road rules. Well I have never been fined, warned or pulled over. So I think that stands for itself.

Just because I think speed cameras are revenue raising tools especially when used in conjunction with speed limits that seam a bit low, does not mean I drive around like a maniac.

Nice try though anyway.

but would those accidents have happened if there was a speed safety camera there?

i think you are making them up anyway. you were driving below the speed limit so there's no way you could've been involved in a crash.

[MAD]

Originally Posted by sudszy

So you are comparing the behaviour of dogs to humans? a dog cant remember what it did a minute ago hence why its behaviour for anything needs to be rewarded/punished immediately.

Well, you've had a few hours to think about this. And by no response I'll take it as you were being serious and now you cant retract it.

Yes, I was 100% comparing behavioural training of a dog (or any other animal for that matter) to our human selves... Do you have something to dispute about it?

[ray38l]

Originally Posted by MAD

Well, you've had a few hours to think about this. And by no response I'll take it as you were being serious and now you cant retract it.

Yes, I was 100% comparing behavioural training of a dog (or any other animal for that matter) to our human selves... Do you have something to dispute about it?

in typical sudszy fashion he will be trolling the internet right now trying to find something to prove you wrong with.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Also you claim that I disregard and actively violate road rules. Well I have never been fined, warned or pulled over. So I think that stands for itself.
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Seems you have amnesia, you claim to drive at the speed you see fit disregarding speed limits(Im sure we could dig up a post where you've told us all this....)

In case you didnt realise, speed limits are part of the road rules.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by MAD

Well, you've had a few hours to think about this. And by no response I'll take it as you were being serious and now you cant retract it.

Yes, I was 100% comparing behavioural training of a dog (or any other animal for that matter) to our human selves... Do you have something to dispute about it?

????? are you for real, what are you claiming, humans cant remember anything for less than a minute? or that dogs remember what they were doing 5 mins ago?

Please tell.

[Ford17]

What will happen, when governments/the public sector, outgrow the private sector in size? Apparently, it's not too far off.

Where will the extra revenue be raised from, to feed the growing behemoth?

Where will the snake, who is currently eating it's own tail, find an alternative food source; before it digests it's own stomach?

Presumably it will shake whatever is left of the private sector until there is nothing left to shake. Then it will have no choice, but to continue to turn on itself.

Speed cameras - the final desperate act available, before a state government's own self consumption.

[Romulus]

If excessive speed contributed (not actual cause) to about one quarter (25%)of deaths on Queensland roads each year then 75% of deaths on Queensland roads is not contributed to excessive speed. That being the case governments argument is flawed.

[kpcart]

ofcourse its revenue raising, but so what?? drive within the speed limit and you wont pay anything. grow up, and respect the licence you received to drive a motor vehicle, its better then walking isnt it. geez, these people never quit! i bet its the same people that complain about speed fines that receive the most speed fines. its a voluntary tax, and you are crying foul because you are probably paying it!

Australians live in a lucky country... no it is now a priviledged country, and it shows with this being a big issue for them, and that there is a continueing increase in a culture of bad driving in this country and people are trying to defend their right to bad driving and law breaking. there is more and more dissent towards the police and a lack or RESPECT towards pretty much anything. the government is making the most of that, good for them, as no one wants to pay tax in this country, so this is a good way to make some money for them.

And stop making arguments related to road safety, the population is increasing so ofcourse there will be more accidents, and again the RESPECT factor, aussie drivers do not respect the roads, no matter what the government does with road safety campaigns, there will still be disrespectful drivers on the road.

STOP SPEEDING!

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Seems you have amnesia, you claim to drive at the speed you see fit disregarding speed limits(Im sure we could dig up a post where you've told us all this....)

In case you didnt realise, speed limits are part of the road rules.

I know what you are referring to. I did say I believe SOME highway limits should be higher at 2am when there is nothing around. But since all of my night time highway driving is done in a work car that is GPS tracked I have never sped. Not that I would anyway because I always obey the road rules.

[2011G6E]

Yet again the tiny little issue of the mistakes that are made.

1: "Don't speed and you have nothing to worry about". Yes you do...especially in one of those places where they stupidly lower the tolerance to a couple of kph over, then you're in trouble unless you deliberately drive around at 5 to 10kph under the limit just to be safe from accidentally wandering over the limit when going downhill/moving your foot slightly on the accelerator/etc.
2: "Only an idiot can't maintain a steady speed without constantly looking at the speedo". Really? Go to a long straight stretch of flat road, and get up to, say, 95kph, and stay there...constantly, without cruise control. Don't glance at the speedo more than once every minute or two. have a mate watch a GPS and see how your speed varies without you even realising. No one, not even the best racing driver, can differentiate one or two kilometers per hour difference at high speed, certainly not in a modern quiet car.
3: Do you ever notice how your cruise control works? Set it on a speed, and watch a GPS, if you have one. ou'll be amazed at how your speed drifts up and down depending on terrain. Seeing as how they love to set up cameras at the bottom of hills, you could be in for a nasty shock if, again, you live somewhere that treats one or two kph over the limit wit the same seriousness as a war crime.
4: Infallibility of the speed measuring devices. They aren't. No scientific instrument is, and speed cameras and radar guns certainly aren't given the infinitely variable environmental conditions that are going on around it...it's hardly a controlled environment to be measuring somethign so important. Your car speedo, even in the best cars, is at best a pretty inaccurate device. All sorts of things can influence it's readings. They are usually good...but not always. They usually read on the fast side so you are less likely to accidentally speed, but I've had two cars which read slow. In the worst case, our last car the 100 series Landcruiser, 100kph indicated on the speedo was actually 110kph. We were blissfully unaware that it was like that until we bought a GPS and found out.
5: treating the public like children. My son just got a photo fine from a camera van. There are two other vehicles in the picture, one beside him in the other lane heading the same direction, and one just in front of him. Some years back, this picture would have been discarded, but too many profitable photos were being thrown out, so they told the public they had "learned more about how the cameras work", and can "identify which car is speeding in a photo with several cars in it"...I don't know how...throw a dart and say "that one there", I suppose. My son knows where that car sits and regularly waits and swears he wasn't speeding...it's not even hidden...if you know Rockhampton, you'll know where it is: just down from the Tourist Information place near the Capricorn monument on the way into the city. The public aren't stupid...we know you just don't want to throw away pictures that could be raising a bit more cash.

The biggie. As I said above, people do not trust a law which presumes guilt until you can somehow manage to prove yourself innocent, and which sets up a system so convoluted and expensive to fight a charge, that everyone knows it's better to shrug thier shoulders and just pay up, even if in their heart they are sure they were innocent.

Not to mention the many cases around the world which show that speed cameras...fixed or hidden vans...do literally nothing for the road toll. The "best" example was one county in England which put up Gatsos everywhere, and the accidents went up in the first year. Jeremy Clarkson famously said it was because people weren't watching the road and just letting the traffic flow, they were scanning the bushes for cameras...

[vegabass]

I have seriously been considering installing a camera on the drivers B pillar which shows out the windscreen and the speedo. That will be all the evidence I need. Data logging capabilites isnt expensive these days which would marry up with video footage nicely. As with any modern workplace you have to cover your rectum from fisting every moment of the day.

[landau460]

A camera cant catch you doing ten over one kilometre down the road. A speed camera won't pull you over and caution you or make a judgment call. The laws are not black and white there are grey bits too, not like a camera just black and just white.

Originally Posted by Auslandau
SPEED KILLS ...... Doing 63 in a 60 'zone' I am the hoon from hell terrorizing your neighborhood and if photographed will receive $165 in fines and possible loss of licence weeks after the event ...... but if I am doing 78 in an 80 'zone' I am the model of society and even though driving oblivious to my surroundings I am untouchable! What numbnut decided these are the magic numbers and if exceeded I am the murderous devil incarnate?

How a speed camera going to catch that?

There are to many speed zones for starters,

What about (if you run a red you get a photo taken of you and thanks for coming. You take off from a set of lights with a green get hit buy a car running a red you get fined for crossing the car with the right of way!)
Theres a grey area if you ask me where does the camera help ya in all that.

Once apon a time you could plead to the copper you where traveling with the flow of traffic i don't believe that is a factor anymore even if they where all travelling you all either get it if was a camera or you are singled out with a cop a busted unless he pulls a few over.

RED TAPE RED TAPE TO MANY LAWS AND RESTRICTIONS SOON WILL BE FINED IF CAUGHT FOR OMITTING A GREEN HOUSE GAS FROM MY A!@

The stats look good from late 60's due to only the seatbelt introduction there will be other things adding to that but the biggest one was the seatbelt.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....005&num=&view=

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I know what you are referring to. I did say I believe SOME highway limits should be higher at 2am when there is nothing around. But since all of my night time highway driving is done in a work car that is GPS tracked I have never sped. Not that I would anyway because I always obey the road rules.

Hmm, 20 sec search and looky here:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...1&postcount=88
You serious? I had one on my old car and it was permanently set on 130. It rarely went off but it was irritating when it did.

ooh, now why did the speed alert go off?

Ben, most bs artists get undone here too, you need a very good memory on what you have been bs about.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Hmm, 20 sec search and looky here:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...1&postcount=88
You serious? I had one on my old car and it was permanently set on 130. It rarely went off but it was irritating when it did.

ooh, now why did the speed alert go off?

Ben, most bs artists get undone here too, you need a very good memory on what you have been bs about.

thats a bit rich coming from someone who used to drive a car without a working speedo.

[rayner22]

Originally Posted by prydey

thats a bit rich coming from someone who used to drive a car without a working speedo.

WHAT????? The great oh so safe and clear conscience one - SUDSZY- openly driving a car that has a serious safety and defectable/fineable fault???

Well if thats the case,going by his arguments put forward to Ben73, he should no longer be ''fit'' to put forward opinions on topics such as this.

Driving with a non working speedo, would be more dangerous than someone doing 82 in a 80 zone.

And also has Sudszy ever considered that someones speed alert may activate on a run down a drag strip or whilst being tuned on a dyno etc....mine does......hell mine sometimes goes off during aquaplaning on a highway........
Just because he mentions it has activated at 130, don't assume it was on a public road and launch a defamatory personal attack on that person. Though I feel that is your only agenda on this site.

[Ben73]

udszy doesn't need a roadworthy car or a working speedo. He drives below the limit so its all good.
I bet he never got fined when he had no working speedo because he is probably one of those people that trundle around at 20 below the limit every where.

You come here to push your Pro camera agenda. You go on and on how doing 1 or 2 Km/h over is CRAZY and anyone driving that fast should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Then you admit to driving at 135 and also driving an unroadworthy car.

Maybe you should take that into consideration before you start telling others how to drive.

[ray38l]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Hmm, 20 sec search and looky here:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...1&postcount=88
You serious? I had one on my old car and it was permanently set on 130. It rarely went off but it was irritating when it did.

ooh, now why did the speed alert go off?

Ben, most bs artists get undone here too, you need a very good memory on what you have been bs about.

last time i checked the highest speed limit in Australia is 130km/h. It would be reasonable to think in those speed zones you might drift over by 1km/h which would set the speed alert off.

[Romulus]

Anyways.....my Anti-Laser quad head unit does a good job of taking care of Lidar units. Radar in WA is almost completely limited to vehicles, and Ka band speed camera's are being phased out for newer technology Lidar cameras. Thus, I drive around with virtual impunity from Lidar based speed detection units thanks to $800 worth of diode jammers.

[uranium_death]

A speed camera will never stop me from choosing to speed (if I wanted to).
It's a deterrent, but if I want to speed and hit a pole, the speed camera will do nothing more than take a picture of me...

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by kpcart

ofcourse its revenue raising, but so what?? drive within the speed limit and you wont pay anything. grow up, and respect the licence you received to drive a motor vehicle, its better then walking isnt it. geez, these people never quit! i bet its the same people that complain about speed fines that receive the most speed fines. its a voluntary tax, and you are crying foul because you are probably paying it!

Australians live in a lucky country... no it is now a priviledged country, and it shows with this being a big issue for them, and that there is a continueing increase in a culture of bad driving in this country and people are trying to defend their right to bad driving and law breaking. there is more and more dissent towards the police and a lack or RESPECT towards pretty much anything. the government is making the most of that, good for them, as no one wants to pay tax in this country, so this is a good way to make some money for them.

And stop making arguments related to road safety, the population is increasing so ofcourse there will be more accidents, and again the RESPECT factor, aussie drivers do not respect the roads, no matter what the government does with road safety campaigns, there will still be disrespectful drivers on the road.

STOP SPEEDING!

Ask yourself why we are at the point we are with regards to what you've said.

[TheSneakiness]

sudszy must've been that bloke I got caught behind on the Pacific Motorway one evening doing 70km/h in a 110km/h zone, and nearly caused me to have an accident cause the gutless Commodore I was driving at the time couldn't pick up enough speed quickly enough to safely get in front of a truck.

You are a complete fool if you think speed cameras help safety.

The only thing speed cameras are helping is Macquarie Bank's bottom line. That's it, nothing more and definitely nothing less.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

...

Very well written.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by F6 Concorde

Anyways.....my Anti-Laser quad head unit does a good job of taking care of Lidar units. Radar in WA is almost completely limited to vehicles, and Ka band speed camera's are being phased out for newer technology Lidar cameras. Thus, I drive around with virtual impunity from Lidar based speed detection units thanks to $800 worth of diode jammers.

It is illegal and you will get caught eventually...Very expensive exercise in Queensland...

What are the laws governing the use of radar detectors in QLD

225. (1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle has in or on it-



(a) a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device; or

(b) a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device.


Maximum penalty-40 penalty units.


225. (2) Subsection (1) applies to a device whether or not the device is operating or in working order.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by vegabass

I have seriously been considering installing a camera on the drivers B pillar which shows out the windscreen and the speedo. That will be all the evidence I need. Data logging capabilites isnt expensive these days which would marry up with video footage nicely. As with any modern workplace you have to cover your rectum from fisting every moment of the day.

All of us at work thought we had our rectums adequately protected when they told us all the work Prado's had a GPS tracker fitted...we all used the cruise control religiously anyway, as we have always been told that if we are pinged speeding, we'll be in more trouble than Dick Tracy.
Fine, we thought...we'll be able to have a look at the GPS monitor which is all recorded back at head office to prove what speed we had been doing.

Until one guy got pulled in and the weights put on him when a red flag came up that said he had been doing 170kph. He swore he always used the cruise control and didn't speed, as we all know we're being monitored. Looked like he might lose his job for a while, until a supervisor checked the history of that car, and found that the speed being recorded had jumped from a steady 98kph to 170 in four seconds, sat for a moment, and dropped back to a steady 98kph. Then they found a few other instances where it did the same thing, jumping to a rediculous speed and back to normal again.
One other car had a red flag pop up that showed it doing 220kph...while stationary in the parking lot outside. Who needs a Veyron when a Prado apparently does look fast sitting still?

It'd be funny if someones job wasn't potentially on the line.

I know enough about scientific instruments of various sorts to not trust a camera in a fixed location out in the typical roadside environment, where there are numerous things for signals to reflect from (yeah...I'm quite sure they check that first every single time before setting up... ), the possibility of more than one vehicle in the frame, leaves passing in front of the sensor at just the wrong moment, dust, wind, all sorts of variables that any scientist will laugh at if you told him they were the conditions tyou wanted something measured finely under...finely enough to allow you to possibly take someones licence away. They'd tell you to come back when you can assure them of stable repeatable conditions in every instance it was measured, if you want a good result. The error factor starts to widen the more variables you throw in, until you get to a level where the measurement you are trying to take and the conditions it's taken under widen so far apart you may as well forget it, or at bes jus use it as a rough guide...certainly nothing you could bet someone (driving) life on.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by prydey

thats a bit rich coming from someone who used to drive a car without a working speedo.

You've missed the point, Ive singled Ben out for being a bs artist, not a speedster......we already know that

Originally Posted by ray38l

last time i checked the highest speed limit in Australia is 130km/h. It would be reasonable to think in those speed zones you might drift over by 1km/h which would set the speed alert off.

So we run to the defence of a bs artist so that we can pile it on Sudszy, pathetic .....no Ben wasnt driving in the NT or we'd of heard about that.

Originally Posted by Ben73

You come here to push your Pro camera agenda. .

Really, how many threads have I started pushing "safety cameras", simple answer: zero.

There are many here with an "anti camera" agenda, how many threads have been started on that, there is the big problem.

Originally Posted by Ben73

You come here to push your Pro camera agenda. You go on and on how doing 1 or 2 Km/h over is CRAZY and anyone driving that fast should be punished to the full extent of the law.
.

Hmm, where did I say that, I think all ive ever said was it increases your risk of incident, but heh, you are the bs artist.....

Originally Posted by Ben73

udszy doesn't need a roadworthy car or a working speedo. He drives below the limit so its all good.

Then you admit to driving at 135 and also driving an unroadworthy car..

Yeh, truth be known, I dont need a speedo, and I admit to not fixing the one in my car when it was broken.....but a working tacho, comes in handy

Originally Posted by Ben73

Maybe you should take that into consideration before you start telling others how to drive.

Why, Im not suggesting anyone else there drives without a speedo, according to all the experts here its impossible not to exceed the speed limit even when you do have a speedo fitted! , imagine how fast they'd go without one.

[GS608]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It is illegal and you will get caught eventually...Very expensive exercise in Queensland...

All well and good if he was living in QLD..mentioned in the post WA though where it is legal to own and use detectors.