Round abouts

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by trublu

Can some one actually show a copy of the road rules book where it states you must indicate when exiting when you travel through a round about when not turning left or right......

PS: I never seen this rule in the Victorian rule book.

Qld transport, signalling is less mandatory - LINK
NSW signalling is n mandatory - LINK
Victoria:- Signalling is prescribed as follows - LINK

roundabouts

The Road Rules require that when entering a roundabout, a driver must give way to any vehicle in the roundabout and any tram that is entering or approaching the roundabout. Once in the roundabout, a driver must give way to a tram, or a bus travelling along tram tracks that is in, entering or approaching the roundabout.

Using indicators at roundabouts also seems to cause confusion, but it’s not that different to any other type of intersection. As you prepare to enter the roundabout indicate as you normally would: left to turn left, right to turn right and no indicator if you are going straight ahead. Remember to indicate long enough to give sufficient warning to other drivers and pedestrians about where you plan to go.

Before entering a roundabout, a drive must indicate if turning left or right for long enough to give sufficient warning to other drivers and pedestrians.

If you are going to leave the roundabout more than halfway around, then you should indicate right. Halfway around is defined as leaving on a road that is substantially straight ahead from the road you entered on.

The difference to other intersections is in exiting. Where practicable, give a left change of direction signal when leaving the roundabout. Drivers are not required to give way to pedestrians when leaving a roundabout, but commonsense should prevail.

When driving in a roundabout, if you are changing lanes or lines of traffic, again indicate as you would normally do

[Auslandau]

So basically ...... give way to the right. Number 1 rule in the 'Drivers guide to staying alive" handbook. Not much more really to it ..... except the indicator bit when leaving, except when going straight on ..... little bit derrrrr really.

Did notice in Cairns on a holiday this year, everyone loves to indicate when going straight ahead! Weird these NQ'ders

Yes ..... many do not understand this simple concept so can we leave it there?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

the give way to the right rule still applies to normal intersections just not roundabouts

Of course it does, at no point did I say it didn't. I was replying to a question regarding round abouts which is also what the thread is about.

[Itsme]

Deleted thread Irrelevant.

[Jim Goose]

Seriously why the heck are people posting.."Give way to the right" is the rules.... Its give way to traffic already on the roundabout.

This is why accidents occur because people think ITS GIVE WAY TO THE RIGHT WHEN IT ISNT!!!

If you approach a roundabout and get to the dashed lines before the car on the right, and you pull out before he gets to the roundabout then YOU have right of way.

Sadly people dont understand this.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

then YOU have right of way

assuming that the rules are similar in every other state as they are to victoria, "no one" has right of way ever. you must drive in a way to avoid an accident

no one on the roundabout has right of way - the cars not on the roundabout have to give way





except for very few circumstances, you don't actually have to give way to the left, because surprisingly enough they are moving away from you. you will not catch them if you are doing the correct speed. your paths will very rarely cross so they are not an issue

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Seriously why the heck are people posting.."Give way to the right" is the rules.... Its give way to traffic already on the roundabout.

This is why accidents occur because people think ITS GIVE WAY TO THE RIGHT WHEN IT ISNT!!!

If you approach a roundabout and get to the dashed lines before the car on the right, and you pull out before he gets to the roundabout then YOU have right of way.

Sadly people dont understand this.

Serious? You are taking the **** arent you And here I was supposed to close the thread cos its all a bit weird .... but never in my life have I given way to the left as well as the right. Be there all day! Scaring me! So only 1 person on the roundabout at once? What is going on in this world.

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

If you approach a roundabout and get to the dashed lines before the car on the right, and you pull out before he gets to the roundabout then YOU have right of way.

+1
(unless you cause an accident)

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Bunyip04

HOW has this thread gone for this long...
If ppl don't know how to use a roundabout, you shouldn't
be driving...

If that's the case, the roads would be much quieter....

Seems many members here dont know the rules either. Its give way to any vehicle on the roundabout, not just those already on the roundabout. When you are in the roundabout, you dont own the roundabout which many drivers assume. Especially two laned roundabouts, you must stay in your lane, and if you go out of that lane you must give way to those in the lane you are about to move into.

There is no statement in the rules to give way to the right at a roundabout. Its just that any cars going to run into you are generally coming from the right. So give way to them.

[peterr]

Must say was not expecting roundabouts to create such and interst !! Thanks everyone forfor there thoughts, should there be rounderbouts in car races , would be intersting.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by cobramania

I can't place any others in the Lower Hunter, where I've seen people turn right (take the third exit) while using the left lane?

The one at Wyong Road and Tuggerah straight.

Soutbound Tuggerah straight, left lane marked on the road as straight ahead, and marked for a right turn.

Right lane marked right turn only.

Sure, you get some in the RH lane who descide to proceed straight ahead up the hill towards Ourimbah, thse folk cut people in the left lane turning right off!

You will note F3 Wyong Road Interchange has a new roundabout, the interchange design here should alleviate congestion northbound betting off the freeway (the dangerous banking-up of traffic onto the 110km/h road), and it'll help by providing northbound from Tuggerah vehicles an unbroken run! (Currently this lot have to stop and wait, so not for much longer).

Law is give way to cars on the roundabout btw:-) This means to the one that approached the roundabout from your left, and arrived into it before you. A lady had a win at Wyong Court recently when police actioned her after a crash, she was hit DS rear quarter and she was adamant that the then new rule was 'give way to traffic already on the roundabout', so the magistrate overturned her fine and penalised the other driver.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

+1
(unless you cause an accident)

And how could it cause an accident and be "my" fault?

The problem is most drivers believe the "give way to the right" applies on the roundabout, hence when they see a car approaching the roundabout to their left, they DONT SLOW DOWN.

If a car is stopped at a roundabout and then moves off and is FIRST to enter the roundabout and is t-boned by a car on the right who was doing 50kmh (because they didnt slow down)... its the fault of the car doing 50kmh, not the fault of the car who was stopped and who then entered before the car doing 50kmh on his right.

[Sprint]

give way to the right.

if you dont know this we should all be very worried.

[FGII-XR6]

Maitland hospital roundabout coming from high St is right turn from the left lane too

Originally Posted by Keepleft

The one at Wyong Road and Tuggerah straight.

Soutbound Tuggerah straight, left lane marked on the road as straight ahead, and marked for a right turn.

Right lane marked right turn only.

Sure, you get some in the RH lane who descide to proceed straight ahead up the hill towards Ourimbah, thse folk cut people in the left lane turning right off!

You will note F3 Wyong Road Interchange has a new roundabout, the interchange design here should alleviate congestion northbound betting off the freeway (the dangerous banking-up of traffic onto the 110km/h road), and it'll help by providing northbound from Tuggerah vehicles an unbroken run! (Currently this lot have to stop and wait, so not for much longer).

Law is give way to cars on the roundabout btw:-) This means to the one that approached the roundabout from your left, and arrived into it before you. A lady had a win at Wyong Court recently when police actioned her after a crash, she was hit DS rear quarter and she was adamant that the then new rule was 'give way to traffic already on the roundabout', so the magistrate overturned her fine and penalised the other driver.

[aZ`]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

If a car is stopped at a roundabout and then moves off and is FIRST to enter the roundabout and is t-boned by a car on the right who was doing 50kmh (because they didnt slow down)... its the fault of the car doing 50kmh, not the fault of the car who was stopped and who then entered before the car doing 50kmh on his right.

OK so that is the law, BUT is it really a better rule than 'give way to the right'
Now I'm not one of these people who flys into a round about just because i think i have right of way. However if give way to the right WAS the law then every single accident would be cut and dry.
When you have some cars entering the round about at 30 or 40 kph and some from a stop then there is always going to be a difference of opinion between drivers as to whom entered first and hence a difference of opinion as to who is at fault in the event of an accident.

I adhere to the rules as they are written, but i will also give way to my right as it prevents accidents!

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And how could it cause an accident and be "my" fault?

did you not notice the car coming - and then not notice he wasn't slowing down. there are many times i could have driven through a roundabout because i was there first, but chose not to because someone wasn't slowing down

it is my responsibility as a driver, to notice where the other cars are and what speed they are doing. if a driver cannot see a car coming from the right and see that it is not slowing down, then they should not be on the road
if i am attempting a right hand turn at the lights, they turn orange and i just proceed without looking to see if a car is coming and whether it is going to stop or not that is my fault. it is similar with a roundabout. no one can control what any other driver does, so they have to take responsibility for what is happening - not hide behind a "first in, first served" rule

no one wants to take responsibility for anything nowadays and that is the main problem on the roads in my opinion

Originally Posted by aZ`

OK so that is the law, BUT is it really a better rule than 'give way to the right'

the rule was probably first brought in because of people going through, not slowing down and then after crashing into the side of another car, they hide behind the "give way to right" rule

Originally Posted by aZ`

I adhere to the rules as they are written, but i will also give way to my right as it prevents accidents!

the way the rule is written is probably the best way for it to be written. however in the real world, those on your left are going to be long gone by the time you have got to them, so giving way to the right is the easiest, safest and most obvious way to approach a roundabout




don't pull out in front of anyone
and don't drill someone in the side

if everyone gave way to everyone already on the roundabout they would not work. in an idea world, during peak hour there would almost be a constant line of cars on the roundabout - the quantity of cars would be the same, just different cars involved as cars are constantly entering and leaving it

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by aZ`

OK so that is the law, BUT is it really a better rule than 'give way to the right'
Now I'm not one of these people who flys into a round about just because i think i have right of way. However if give way to the right WAS the law then every single accident would be cut and dry.
When you have some cars entering the round about at 30 or 40 kph and some from a stop then there is always going to be a difference of opinion between drivers as to whom entered first and hence a difference of opinion as to who is at fault in the event of an accident.

I adhere to the rules as they are written, but i will also give way to my right as it prevents accidents!

We need to drive to the current law regardless if something else is better or not its not in force and creates confusion when people make it up as they go along

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Seriously why the heck are people posting.."Give way to the right" is the rules.... Its give way to traffic already on the roundabout.

This is why accidents occur because people think ITS GIVE WAY TO THE RIGHT WHEN IT ISNT!!!

If you approach a roundabout and get to the dashed lines before the car on the right, and you pull out before he gets to the roundabout then YOU have right of way.

Sadly people dont understand this.

Spot on! sadly a lot of people don't understand this!

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

+1
(unless you cause an accident)

The vehicle breaking the law and entering when they shouldn't will cause the accident. In this case the other vehicle!

Originally Posted by Sprint

give way to the right.

if you dont know this we should all be very worried.

You have clearly demonstrated that you don't know the rules for roundabouts and it makes me very worried because this is an enthusiasts forum and hardly anyone knows what to do so what level of understanding do the non car people have about this. The mind boggles!

[TC200six]

When you approach a roundabout, the cars already on the roundabout are coming from your right, thus "give way to your right" does come into play to some extent. I'm not trying to confuse the issue. Anyone should know if you don't realise you're supposed to give way to cars that are already on the roundabout, you should be worried.

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Seriously why the heck are people posting.."Give way to the right" is the rules.... Its give way to traffic already on the roundabout.

This is why accidents occur because people think ITS GIVE WAY TO THE RIGHT WHEN IT ISNT!!!

If you approach a roundabout and get to the dashed lines before the car on the right, and you pull out before he gets to the roundabout then YOU have right of way.

Sadly people dont understand this.

Because you drive around a roundabout in a clockwise fashion which means that traffic comes to you from the right, this whole 'Im first' mentality just leads to people hooning into roundabouts barely missing the car on the right because they think they can get in there first.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

So basically ...... give way to the right. Number 1 rule in the 'Drivers guide to staying alive" handbook. Not much more really to it ..... except the indicator bit when leaving, except when going straight on ..... little bit derrrrr really.

Did notice in Cairns on a holiday this year, everyone loves to indicate when going straight ahead! Weird these NQ'ders

Yes ..... many do not understand this simple concept so can we leave it there?

There is no such thing as going straight ahead in a roundabout but, assuming you mean the exit that is on the same alignment as the road you entered on, then, yes, those north Queenslanders are quite correct in indicating left to exit. So it looks like they understand that simple concept and you don't.

I can see from this thread that both official and driver understanding of roundabouts in Australia is in such a godawful mess it might be safer to go back and replace them all with square intersections with traffic lights! How something so simple could be got so wrong by so many (both government and public) is beyond comprehension. Is this some "only in Australia" joke?

I can only refer back to the Danish document I quoted earlier, plus driving defensively due to the high proportion of Australian motorists who don't know how to use them (thanks to the state road authorities).

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

If you approach a roundabout and get to the dashed lines before the car on the right, and you pull out before he gets to the roundabout then YOU have right of way.

Sadly people dont understand this.

Probably the reason "people don't understand this" is that in 90% of the cases that car approaching from your right is doing the minimum of the speed limit, or at least you just know at a glance that there's no way in hell he's going to be able to stop.

I'm afraid getting taken away in an ambulance with your wrecked t-boned car on a tilt-tray, but being able to go "I beat him onto the roundabout...even if he didn't stop" doesn't help anyone.

That's why I approach a roundabout and if I see such a car coming from any side, left or right, and it looks like he's not going to stop even if I beat him onto the roundabout, I stop, and let him go.

The "indicate left to go straight through the roundabout" was mentioned some time back on the ABC talkback on road safety they have now and then. The traffic officer said to the reporter that you have to do this, and the reporter said "Well I'm sorry, but if I see a car approaching from my right with his left indicator on, I assume he's going to turn left and it's safe for me to go".
The cop said "Well he'd run into you and it'd be your fault"...

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Because you drive around a roundabout in a clockwise fashion which means that traffic comes to you from the right, this whole 'Im first' mentality just leads to people hooning into roundabouts barely missing the car on the right because they think they can get in there first.

If you take your hooning element out the "I'm first mentality" happens to be the law subject to the overriding regulation that says any driver must drive responsibly and not do anything that they consider may cause an accident. Hooning in from the left or the right are equally wrong at anytime and especially hooning in from the right (which occurs almost any time you approach a roundabout). The law was put in place to stop people from charging the roundabout at speed from the right to give everyone a fair go.
You said yesterday that give way to the right is the law in a roundabout and you are wrong but you are still pursuing the issue today so its obvious that you haven't consulted the regulations since then.
I don't mind debating an issue but when people keep chasing an idea without checking the facts it becomes a bit pointless.

There are numerous posts here stating the real way to use a roundabout. There is even one about a lady in Wyong who disputed what you are saying in court and won. Isn't that enough to convince people.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by new2ford

There is no such thing as going straight ahead in a roundabout but.

There is according to Queensland Transport department....LINK

If travelling straight ahead on a roundabout,
when should you indicate?

Under Victorian transport website there is:

Link
Using indicators at roundabouts also seems to cause confusion, but it’s not that different to any other type of intersection. As you prepare to enter the roundabout indicate as you normally would: left to turn left, right to turn right and no indicator if you are going straight ahead. Remember to indicate long enough to give sufficient warning to other drivers and pedestrians about where you plan to go.

It's amazing how many people diahhorea on this thread about knowing road rules
but have obviously never bothered checking their knowledge against an official website...

[ivorya]

It's all common sence really..

It's just not to many people have this and the humble round-abouts will disapear into traffic lights soon.

Shame really.

[aZ`]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

Because you drive around a roundabout in a clockwise fashion which means that traffic comes to you from the right, this whole 'Im first' mentality just leads to people hooning into roundabouts barely missing the car on the right because they think they can get in there first.

THIS!!

additionally I have never approached a round about even when the car to my right is speeding in at possibly above the posted speed limit and not been able to give way. It's called paying attention, just because they're doing the wrong thing doesn't mean you have to put yourself in harms way to prove a point.

I would like to see some data on how well the new rule curbed round about incidents. I believe the above mentality has made it worse.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by ivorya

It's all common sence really..

It's just not to many people have this and the humble round-abouts will disapear into traffic lights soon.

Shame really.

Far less people will race a red light than those who will race someone else to a roundabout.

A red light is a clear unambiguous visual prompt that you have to stop for other traffic. A roundabout encourages whoever gets there first to have right of way...of course people are going to race into it.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Far less people will race a red light than those who will race someone else to a roundabout.

A red light is a clear unambiguous visual prompt that you have to stop for other traffic. A roundabout encourages whoever gets there first to have right of way...of course people are going to race into it.

my biggest gripe with roundabouts isn't the morons that speed through them. normally that happens when the roads are relatively quiet and i just let them go
the thing i hate is in peak hour when no one actually knows who to give way to and why. there are many very good gaps to just drive into, but the pussy's cannot go because someone else is on the roundabout or might be one day, so they give way to a whole lot of empty road

roundabouts should be so easy for everyone to have a fair go compared to traffic lights, but no one seems to know how to use them - they may know the rules involved, but that means nothing if they only know the theory and not the practice part

[tweeked]

They just dont work. All they succeed in is combine people of difference confidence levels into mass confusion.

This give way to those already on the roundabout rubbish may work on large multilane roundabouts with 30-40 meters between entry/exit points. Try doing it in the inner city, where you can have quite busy intersections with a roundabout the size of a dining table in the middle.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by jpd80

There is according to Queensland Transport department....LINK

Under Victorian transport website there is:

It's amazing how many people diahhorea on this thread about knowing road rules
but have obviously never bothered checking their knowledge against an official website...

No, all that indicates is that the Queensland and Victorian transport departments don't understand the principles of roundabouts

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It's amazing how many people diahhorea on this thread about knowing road rules
but have obviously never bothered checking their knowledge against an official website...

You for a start. RACV is not the official website for road rules in Vic.