Ford Falcon XR8 v HSV Clubsport head-to-head...

[brens]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

At the end of the day both are the last of great Aussie V8 sedans. The color of your blood will determine what you buy. Just as the factory supercharger will determine who blows the other away at a set of lights ;)

I've always much preferred Holdens, till I saw this XR8....

[zilo]

A bit one sided.

Should have been an FPV versus HSV comparison....

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by zilo

A bit one sided.

Should have been an FPV versus HSV comparison....

Result would have been the same, the Xr8 is essentially the same car as the FPV R Spec

[BradEL]

Those magazine ****** who complain about dashboards being dated and not having every single tech gimmik under the sun need to get a life

[zilo]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

Result would have been the same, the Xr8 is essentially the same car as the FPV R Spec

I notice it has Brembos all round....finally...

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by zilo

I notice it has Brembos all round....finally...

I gotta a feeling it only has brembo on the front

[Hemihunter]

Bembro's front and ford rear

[FGX335]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

I gotta a feeling it only has brembo on the front

Yep, Brembos on the front and red painted caliper on the rear. Some ***** about them and want the 6/4, but for most people, they do a great job.

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by FGX335

Yep, Brembos on the front and red painted caliper on the rear. Some ***** about them and want the 6/4, but for most people, they do a great job.

Are the 6/4s an option with the XR8?

[Hemihunter]

Standard- no option

[boss351290]

It doesn't matter. The XR8 will still eat it alive.

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Are the 6/4s an option with the XR8?

No, would be nice though for a heavy car. I would assume most buyers wouldn't mind spending a couple grand more optioning up for better brakes considering the car is already well priced to begin with

[GTP534]

^^^^ It was around $5 to $6K as an option in the FPV days.

Best I could do was $5,300 fully installed through the selling dealer and I recovered $2,000 in selling the originals; $3,300 nett incl GST.

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by GTP534

^^^^ It was around $5 to $6K as an option in the FPV days.

Best I could do was $5,300 fully installed through the selling dealer and I recovered $2,000 in selling the originals; $3,300 nett incl GST.

Geez thats pricey

[AussieCJ7]

Originally Posted by BradEL

Those magazine ****** who complain about dashboards being dated and not having every single tech gimmik under the sun need to get a life

You mean the same magazines who are about 5 to 10 years behind technology in delivering content to their customers compared to US and Euro equivalents Ironic isnt it.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by AussieCJ7

You mean the same magazines who are about 5 to 10 years behind technology in delivering content to their customers compared to US and Euro equivalents Ironic isnt it.

Well played sir, well played. Sums up the motoring media in this country overall, actually.

[Gadgetman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bikt_wcuFHo

Real Apples with real apples.

Note, XR8 full second to 100 quicker.
Note .2 second slower around wakefield park.
Fact. If the car has such better acceleration but yet doesnt lap as quick means that Ford have not done much in the chassis and handling stakes.
Fact is Ford have served up a car that isnt befitting for a last of. Apart from DAB and some DTRL's its the same ****. Hence the only FGX's i have seen so far are those with brass tags driven by employees.

[290GTP]

6.4 seconds to 100 kays!! My old 220 XR8 would run that. Holden hasnt done much in the engine department have they?
Put some decent rubber on the XR8 and it would own the Redline anytime anywhere.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by 290GTP

6.4 seconds to 100 kays!! My old 220 XR8 would run that. Holden hasnt done much in the engine department have they?
Put some decent rubber on the XR8 and it would own the Redline anytime anywhere.

You'd want to hope so wouldn't you?
The XR8 is effectively an R-Spec GT with 335kw (plus a few more).
The SSV is what 270kw?

[1TUFFUTE]

Anybody else notice the "race driver" they hired said he'd driven the Vfs many times but it appeared it was his very first shot in the GT?
And I still query why they EVER do track tests as these cars will never make it to a track let alone survive track days. But they will make it to the odd drag strip and do plenty of straight line pulling on public roads. The way probably 99% of people will ever give it a strap(a straight line)


Anyway.....going by their drag times.....I'd throw the review....or the cars out the window as lemons anyway

[b0son]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

And I still query why they EVER do track tests as these cars will never make it to a track let alone survive track days.

To give some idea on the car's overall performance.... straightline, braking and cornering. You might be one dimensional, but that doesn't mean everyone else is.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

....... and do plenty of straight line pulling on public roads.

I always wonder in this day and age where people get the opportunity to unleash their cars on the street to determine which is the quickest.
Unless they’re silly enough to want to them impounded they won’t ever reach speeds nor have the time to enable a big enough gap between the combatants to matter.
The Review is a boring rehash and I’d be happy to own either car and as far as the differences between them well that’s just horses for courses in my book.

Originally Posted by asagaai

Critical the rev counter is big and clean.

The commodore having a further 2 dials embedded underneath into the 2 main dials has mangled it- to me it is fussy, cluttered and unclean- cluttered with unnecessary gumph.

For me, nothing should intrude from the clean dial of the rev counter. If I was going pure sports, then I like Porsche- the centre big clean round dominant dial being the rev counter.

The HSV looked reasonably clean to me when compared to a new Porsche.


Porsche 911 (991) Carrera S


Porsche 911 (991) GT3


Porsche 911 (991) Carrera


Porsche 911 (991) Turbo




HSV 2015 GTS

[mik]

Originally Posted by Gadgetman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bikt_wcuFHo

Real Apples with real apples.

Note, XR8 full second to 100 quicker.
Note .2 second slower around wakefield park.
Fact. If the car has such better acceleration but yet doesnt lap as quick means that Ford have not done much in the chassis and handling stakes.
Fact is Ford have served up a car that isnt befitting for a last of. Apart from DAB and some DTRL's its the same ****. Hence the only FGX's i have seen so far are those with brass tags driven by employees.

So, on one track it was . 2 of a second slower...... Got any others?

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

The HSV looked reasonably clean to me when compared to a new Porsche.

Agreed
The HSV dials and layout are clean and easy to read.
Some of the newer dash layouts and displays are waaaaay to PlayStation/X box with too many colours and distractions. Those Porsche ones are like a Christmas tree.

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by mik

So, on one track it was . 2 of a second slower...... Got any others?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwbZjzOs8ro

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

I


The HSV looked reasonably clean to me when compared to a new Porsche.


Porsche 911 (991) Carrera S
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Porsche 911 (991) GT3
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Porsche 911 (991) Carrera
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Porsche 911 (991) Turbo
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HSV 2015 GTS
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See- I love the GT3 and 911 Turbo. Is clean, big round dials that are uncluttered. Agree the Carerra S looks like a Christmas tree- assume those lights go off and they put them on for photo? purposes only?

The Holden to me is fussy, the rev counter has an internal circle, which is untruded by a smaller arc circle of the smaller dial underneath, and the smaller dial has the needle pocking up like an unwanted woodie intruding where it is not wanted.

Makes me feel somewhat dyslexic. But this is personal, one man's medicine is another's poison and all that .....

[Havoc]

the holden dash looks old and outdated thats how it appears simplicity poverty is what it screams.

[701let]

Originally Posted by Havoc

the holden dash looks old and outdated thats how it appears simplicity poverty is what it screams.

'Simplicity poverty' to you and cluttered and 'fussy' whatever that means to the bloke before you...

How do they win?...

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by 701let

'Simplicity poverty' to you and cluttered and 'fussy' whatever that means to the bloke before you...

How do they win?...

Fussy- synonyms:
overdecorated, over-ornate, overdone, overworked, busy, cluttered, laboured, strained, florid


Now - in my previous post I explained why I thought it was overworked, busy, cluttered and strained, otherwise as I described "fussy".

"the rev counter has an internal circle, which is untruded by a smaller arc circle of the smaller dial underneath, and the smaller dial has the needle pocking up like an unwanted woodie intruding where it is not wanted"

They win when a person comes along who likes the dash, or can live with the dash, and buys the car. As I said its subjective, people out there may like it, but I hate it- buts that's just me.