WA Hoon Laws - 1 Strike Coming...

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Brilliant!!

[NTF6]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

That's the kicker, if everyone were to just elect to have the matter heard in front of a magistrate would be enough to crush the system. The meltdown would be so profound, not a single matter would make it to the magistrate.

Crippling the court system still won't prevent you from being fined/locked up or having your car confiscated, all you will succeed in in doing is wasting tax payers money because new/more/larger court precincts will need to be built and staffed to cope.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Ok you want me to respond do you, well ok.

HA ha there are worst people around than Hitler, I have worked for them from time to time.

But it's not about Hitler is it, the Nazi's or Germans at the time were controlled by a system we have much like today, well it's on the way to becoming a type of the same system, you know with all the brainwashing crap that people are swallowing nowadays and fear of saying something that's not PC.

Remember that ex Mayor of London just of late and the great rant that was made over him about a proven total fact that he was asked about, the cunning political criminals don't want anyone to comprehend the facts or the truth about it all, one of the morons had a total rant about Hitler's book, that he demanded to be totally forbidden to be read by anyone.
Why is it they are so fearful, because they will be exposed for what they truly are, if people were educated on the subject.

Why do you people want to live under PC thugs pushing people around, no thanks I like Australia the way it was, free and open to say whatever you want be it right or wrong = a healthy democracy.

We won that war for all our freedom rights back in 1945 but sadly now are loosing the battle that our forefathers fought for.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

I'm looking forward to watching some future chases when the hoon gets caught and he will then know he will be losing his "rad commie ".

Let's hope the chase he instigates doesnt hurt any innocents. Such a penalty for a first offence will only tempt more people to try and run....

But hey, its not your mess to clean up, is it.

/slow clap

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by castellan

Ok you want me to respond do you, well ok.

HA ha there are worst people around than Hitler, I have worked for them from time to time.

But it's not about Hitler is it, the Nazi's or Germans at the time were controlled by a system we have much like today, well it's on the way to becoming a type of the same system, you know with all the brainwashing crap that people are swallowing nowadays and fear of saying something that's not PC.

Remember that ex Mayor of London just of late and the great rant that was made over him about a proven total fact that he was asked about, the cunning political criminals don't want anyone to comprehend the facts or the truth about it all, one of the morons had a total rant about Hitler's book, that he demanded to be totally forbidden to be read by anyone.
Why is it they are so fearful, because they will be exposed for what they truly are, if people were educated on the subject.

Why do you people want to live under PC thugs pushing people around, no thanks I like Australia the way it was, free and open to say whatever you want be it right or wrong = a healthy democracy.

We won that war for all our freedom rights back in 1945 but sadly now are loosing the battle that our forefathers fought for.

All good mate! I just remembered this U-tube and it seemed apt.

Maybe swap the "Nazis" out for "Orwellian" and you're going to be more on target for Big Brother PC symbolism.

[auxr]

Hitler, ex mayor of London, conspiracy theories, crooked politicians, bribery - the list goes on - what's next, infiltration by little green men from the X files.

A law/legislation is in place to place a control - without them, anarchy then rules.

Do the crime, do the time - simple.

[Junkyard-Dog]

I'm pretty sure the National Socialists saw the value of high-speed travel anyway...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_770

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn

http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/ba...dapp-k800.aspx

[Trump]

Originally Posted by NTF6

Crippling the court system still won't prevent you from being fined/locked up or having your car confiscated, all you will succeed in in doing is wasting tax payers money because new/more/larger court precincts will need to be built and staffed to cope.

Crippling the court system will more than prevent anyone from getting fined and/or locked up. The bureaucracy would not be able to muster enough resources to counteract such a move. The need for civil liberties and freedoms far outweighs the need for a false sense of security from a non-threat like "hoons". And if widespread civil disobedience is the key to ensuring the ledger is firmly in favour of the former, then so be it.

Originally Posted by auxr

Hitler, ex mayor of London, conspiracy theories, crooked politicians, bribery - the list goes on - what's next, infiltration by little green men from the X files.

A law/legislation is in place to place a control - without them, anarchy then rules.

Do the crime, do the time - simple.

Yeah no, it isn't as neat and clear cut as that. Firstly, anarchy is the absence of all rule, so to say anarchy then rules is an oxymoron.

Do the crime, do the time... have you read any of the posts that argue against the legislated theft impoundment and seizure is?

[nstg8a]

Hundreds of people are killed or maimed every year by drink drivers, yet their cars are not taken, are not crushed.

I don't know the figures but I'm betting that 'hoon' offences actually account for a tiny proportion of the annual road toll, yet the police and govco seem intent on targeting that particular demographic.
Why? Easy targets.

It's too hard to fine someone for being too tired to drive, or distracted by screaming tyrants in the back seat, or those that have no clue on how to drive safely.

In qld getting done for no rego is now classed as a hooning offence... Imagine getting your car crushed because you forgot to pay your rego?

Window tint too dark is a hooning offence....

[superyob]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Hundreds of people are killed or maimed every year by drink drivers, yet their cars are not taken, are not crushed.

I don't know the figures but I'm betting that 'hoon' offences actually account for a tiny proportion of the annual road toll, yet the police and govco seem intent on targeting that particular demographic.
Why? Easy targets.

It's too hard to fine someone for being too tired to drive, or distracted by screaming tyrants in the back seat, or those that have no clue on how to drive safely.

In qld getting done for no rego is now classed as a hooning offence... Imagine getting your car crushed because you forgot to pay your rego?

Window tint too dark is a hooning offence....

You are sent a bill. It's up to you to remember, same as always...

[b0son]

Originally Posted by superyob

You are sent a bill. It's up to you to remember, same as always...

It really is true, you dont get the government you want, you get the government you deserve. With voters like you, I'm not surprised....

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by superyob

You are sent a bill. It's up to you to remember, same as always...

Way to miss the point...

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by superyob

You are sent a bill. It's up to you to remember, same as always...

Wow so forgetting a rego bill makes it now acceptable to lose a $200k car?

Advance Australia Fair....

[dutchie393]

I guess it's all good if they apply it to the idiots that deserve it being idiots.

But if a ****ed off copper has the power to, and can simply decide on his own to impound your vehicle on the spot and 'let the courts decide' ?

I'll be installing a dash cam sooner than i had planned in case of any shenanigans.

[ozrunner]

Originally Posted by b0son

Let's hope the chase he instigates doesnt hurt any innocents. Such a penalty for a first offence will only tempt more people to try and run....

But hey, its not your mess to clean up, is it.

/slow clap

Are you for real !!!

Just about every week somewhere in Perth a hoon loses control and ends up planted in someone's house with many "innocent " occupants either being injured or having a very close call, yet by your standards apparently the hoon should not be apprehended .

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

Are you for real !!!

Just about every week somewhere in Perth a hoon loses control and ends up planted in someone's house with many "innocent " occupants either being injured or having a very close call, yet by your standards apparently the hoon should not be apprehended .

And every DAY a normal driver loses control and has the same risk to innocent bystanders....

But the media loves to sensationalise bs so the news will always concentrate on the public enemy #1...

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

In qld getting done for no rego is now classed as a hooning offence... Imagine getting your car crushed because you forgot to pay your rego?

Well actually you won't - unless you're stupid enough to drive it unregistered and uninsured and get picked up four (yeah 4) times.

Anyone that's too thick to learn after being picked up in three previous occasions for the same offence probably shouldn't be allowed to steal perfectly good air...

[Trump]

Of course they will have impoundment as a penalty for letting one's rego lapse, govco want their pound of flesh regardless...

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

I'm pretty sure the National Socialists saw the value of high-speed travel anyway...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_770

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn

http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/ba...dapp-k800.aspx

Yes I know they were the most advanced nation in the world by far in a lot of ways.
I am not coming from prejudice position about them.
Some people on here maybe getting offended thinking that I am offending their love for Nazi's and socialist agendas or even the people with a love for Communist agendas, I know our university's inspire such on young minds as the way of the future.
But I support a right to a healthy democracy first and foremost, so there for I have to reject there Political Correctness mantra.
Sorry no worship of the PC gods from me, because I know where that trip leads too.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

yet by your standards apparently the hoon should not be apprehended .

1+1=7???

I already said there are legal instruments available for the police and courts to use to curb dangerous/reckless behaviour. but it seems due process is tedious and inconvenient for some....

[STINKY NINJA]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

You asked a question, I responded. Now you're telling me my response was wrong. Why did you ask?

I never asked you a question at all,i made a statement of my personal experience,thats all.
They can let you off if you treat them with respect that was my point in quoting what you said,you were wrong in saying they wont let you off.
What question did I supposedly ask you?
Was it in between some imaginary lines that you read?

[STINKY NINJA]

All im saying in general is that if you don't drive like a clown you wont lose your car and if you get pulled up for being a crap driver show the cop respect and he "may not" throw the book at you,this is from my own experience with perth coppers,they can be very reasonable imo.

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

I never asked you a question at all,i made a statement of my personal experience,thats all.
They can let you off if you treat them with respect that was my point in quoting what you said,you were wrong in saying they wont let you off.
What question did I supposedly ask you?
Was it in between some imaginary lines that you read?

Really?

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

Ive been let off a few times by perth coppers because I wasn't rude to them after being pulled over,maybe now they will stop giving chances to people?

^ seems like you did ask a question.

[STINKY NINJA]

If I had said "will they stop giving chances to people"? that would make it a question.
It was a statement,thats all,maybe i should have just left out the question mark,the actual words did not make it a question,thats obvious to see.
Either way you are wrong saying they don't let you off,do you have something to say about that?
That was a question directed at you.

So as it turns out i never asked a question that you answered,and you were wrong,thanks so much for your insight.
Do you even live in wa?

[arronm]

It depends on many factors, car, attitude, driving record and probably most of all age. Oh and the cops age and attitude. I have had my share of let offs over the past 35 years. One major quite recently

[SB076]

I can see sales of dash cams with GPS going up as it appears that will be the only defense people will have

I am all against driving like an idiot in a residential street (by all means through the book at them) However my concern is that a lot of people (especially on this forum, will simply be labelled as a hoon because of the car they drive) and it could take only one little mistake for someone to lose their pride and joy.

I work in an industrial estate, with lots of trucks, so there is small amounts of diesel/oil on the road, this does make the road quite slippery. Now if you have a car that some identify as a hoons car and you are driving through these estates, it is possible that you may (depending on circumstances) have a loss of traction. Should this occur in the presence of a police officer, and they deem that you are hooning I dont see why you should lose your car.

[Beastie]

I also work in an industrial estate and the street I'm in is a regular 'hoon' spot late at night...No oil required here...

Each to their own, but I'm waiting for one of them to lose it and end up in my fence - guess who has to pay to repair the fence???

[SB076]

Originally Posted by superyob

You are sent a bill. It's up to you to remember, same as always...

According to my electricity company, I forgot to pay my bill once, I dont recall receiving the bill, so they resent it and I paid straightaway. Aussie Post stuffs up occasionally (I have a credit for $80 to prove it) There needs to be some leniency for minor errors of judgement (not take someones car, or house for that matter)

Bash someone and you get let off,
Miss a roadwork sign, chirp your tires - lose your car - doesn't quite make sense.

If you are doing fishtails in a built up area with people around or in a residential street by all means charge them. My concern is that this law could catch some innocent people out

[SB076]

Originally Posted by The Beast

I also work in an industrial estate and the street I'm in is a regular 'hoon' spot late at night...No oil required here...

Each to their own, but I'm waiting for one of them to lose it and end up in my fence - guess who has to pay to repair the fence???

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No agreed that is very different - and is typical in most industrial estates as there are also usually a few tuning shops that like to test cars. We have lost our fence at least 5 times - but that is due to stupidity and needs to be stopped.

Yes we have had to pay for our fence and we have even had bits of vehicle remain that have been given to the police so that charges can be laid (not sure if they were) I dont have a problem with the book being thrown at them, my concern is that the definition of hooning is somewhat lacking and that there are other laws that can simply be enforced

[b0son]

Originally Posted by SB076

I dont have a problem with the book being thrown at them, my concern is that the definition of hooning is somewhat lacking and that there are other laws that can simply be enforced

Yep. Just like speeding offences, its the high range offences that are dangerous and should be the focus. Yet the focus ends up being the low-hanging fruit in the 5-10kph range.

Similarly, no one has an issue with the book being thrown at the guy doing donuts amongst a crowd of people. But chirping your wheels is neither here nor there, yet we know eventually this is where the majority of police will focus.