September 2017 Sales - Ford Ranger Number 1

[Vesper Martini]

Just reading the New F150 & Discovery have
tow assist and will reverse your trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1rKF9Iqt8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyQlRR56t-o

[boss351290]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Today a lot of drivers are more interested in texting while driving than going fast,
I think performance optioned vehicles areoff most people's radars, they just expect
good basic performance as part of the deal, (not unlike we used to get in older HP models)

Good decent performance. Your kidding me. 0-100 in 12 seconds. That's what a base falcon could do 40 years ago with 3 speed manual not 6. And then you start hauling 3.5 tonne. That sounds exciting!! Decent is the last word to describe it.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Yep, so does Everest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZkHm4RYtDA
I believe the Hilux & Amarok have followed with this too.

Discos have had it for years,

Yeah, I'm talking real world outcomes, not an animation of how it should work when everything goes to plan.
Its like having ABS brakes and having a roo jump out in front of you, the ABS works fine until you panic swerve into oncoming traffic...
The ad's back in the day showed how easy it was to steer around an obstacle in a controlled environment but they didn't show what would happen when there was a truck coming the other way.

[Vesper Martini]

I don't there's any safety system for people that swerve into oncoming traffic, so best not to do that...

F150 Trailer sway, non animated for reference. this stuff works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrpowvtn0d8

[Vesper Martini]

Disco stability published 6 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyNjRq46lDs

[BENT_8]

They're both still controlled conditions where the driver was aware of what was about to happen and both sways were induced by the driver, that's not the tail wagging the dog in real world situations is it.
In a real world emergency, drivers typically mash the brakes, in days gone by you were told to accelerate out of a sway but saying it and reacting in that way are two very different things in the moment.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I don't there's any safety system for people that swerve into oncoming traffic, so best not to do that...

And that just highlights what I'm saying, you cant remove the human factor from these events in real world scenario's, people do stupid things when put under pressure.
Advertising driver aids simply entices the driver to believing that when **** hits the fan the vehicle will magically take control, but that doesn't allow for what the driver may do.
I would hazard a guess and say that if a driver were to mash the brakes in a sudden unexpected event, the full application of the brakes would override the alternate braking application that the anti sway system provides.

You simply cannot ignore the human factor which is why people towing combined weights of over 4.5t should have proper training as a truck driver is required to do.

[boss351290]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

I owned an FG XR ute and also a XLT Ranger, cannot understand your statement of knocking the ranger unless you never owned or driven an FG. Believe me the Ranger is just good as the FG in quality build.

Do not underestimate these vehicles as the sales figures are proof of their success story.

The sales figures are proof of their success??? Well in 1998 the Hyundai excel was the best selling privately registered motor vehicle in Australia. Does that make them top quality and a success story!!

[boss351290]

Sheep following sheep. One day you'll wake up

[jpd80]

But that's the thing, your opinion is not representative of those buyers today,
they are the people choosing with their wallets and car companies are following their wishes.

+14,000 Mustang in less than two years while the Falcon mafia was praying it would fail,
it just goes to show that when you try new thing sometimes they work.....

[boss351290]

Your right. The falcon was dead. But I'm not following the heard. No chance.

[boss351290]

No chance I'm living the dream..

[jpd80]

Good for you, I too am living in the past with a V8 Falcon.

I just accept the reality that my tastes and preferences are no longer mainstream
and for those buying a new Ford it's either Ranger, Mustang or one of the other SUVs.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

But that's the thing, your opinion is not representative of those buyers today,
they are the people choosing with their wallets and car companies are following their wishes.

+14,000 Mustang in less than two years while the Falcon mafia was praying it would fail,
it just goes to show that when you try new thing sometimes they work.....

Interesting, because my local Ford Dealer has had the same 3 Mustangs sitting out the front for at least the past 2 months if not longer.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by boss351290

Your right. The falcon was dead. But I'm not following the heard. No chance.

Herd.

Heard is when you have been hearing something.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by boss351290

The sales figures are proof of their success??? Well in 1998 the Hyundai excel was the best selling privately registered motor vehicle in Australia. Does that make them top quality and a success story!!

Go Figure, no wonder I still see a lot of 98 era Excels on the road.

So in 20 years time Id expect to still see a lot of Rangers

[mick74GT]

Originally Posted by boss351290

No chance I'm living the dream..

haha mate you are a hardcore that's for sure! 5 falcons!

I bought a new Ranger and its great. Id never have bought a new Falcon so I suppose I'm a statistic as well. I've had no issues with the Ranger and the quality and fit seems to be as good or better than any falcon

Maybe they aren't all that bad, and aren't heaps of junk and you just have a soft spot for Falcons and are probably disappointed they don't make them anymore.

[Ben73]

[a third of AFF members] I hate the Ranger because my Falcon XR6 is quieter, quicker and has smoother suspension.

Therefore Falcon=Good Ranger=Bad because I said so. My needs and wants are all anyone should care about [/a third of AFF members]

[russellw]

The first set of graphical stats is now uploaded to the Tech Portal.

Cheers
Russ

[russellw]

The Supplementary Stats for Q3 are also uploaded now.

Cheers
Russ

[russellw]

.. and the Q3 Segment Analysis is also uploaded now.

Cheers
Russ

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Interesting, because my local Ford Dealer has had the same 3 Mustangs sitting out the front for at least the past 2 months if not longer.

That is a perfect example of what we see around us not being actually indicative of the whole market.
Since Jan 2016, Ford Aus has definitely sold over 14,000 Mustangs and still has enough inventory
to get to 15,000 by year's end..

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That is a perfect example of what we see around us not being actually indicative of the whole market.
Since Jan 2016, Ford Aus has definitely sold over 14,000 Mustangs and still has enough inventory
to get to 15,000 by year's end..

Yeah, because this chart supports my experience..

https://fordforums.com.au/pub_images...%2017%2009.jpg

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yeah, because this chart supports my experience..

https://fordforums.com.au/pub_images...%2017%2009.jpg

Interesting how that chart shows the 4X2 Ranger as not a very good seller.

[roKWiz]

I can hear crickets, must be all out offroading or pulling huge loads.

[prydey]

what did you want to know?

the chart is correct. 4x2 sells about 10% of total ranger sales. same with hilux. the 4x2's just aren't popular for whatever reason. they are more popular in other brands than ranger though.

if you look only at 4x4 sales, ranger has been smashing the competition for many months, if not years.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Interesting how that chart shows the 4X2 Ranger as not a very good seller.

Is the 4x2 not as well Specced?

You would think they would have more sales considering pricing and iirc most 4x4 sold never go off road???

Can't tow as much maybe?

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by boss351290

Good decent performance. Your kidding me. 0-100 in 12 seconds. That's what a base falcon could do 40 years ago with 3 speed manual not 6. And then you start hauling 3.5 tonne. That sounds exciting!! Decent is the last word to describe it.

COmpared to most utes the Ranger is pretty decent. It's no Xr6 obviously but it isn't built to be one.

I bet most Falcon ute owners never use the ute to it's full capability. I bet there wouldn't be anyone on this forum whinging about that.

[prydey]

0-100 specs. were they ever relevant in the real world when it came to selling cars?

just like the tow ratings these days. just marketing for pub bragging rights.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by prydey

0-100 specs. were they ever relevant in the real world when it came to selling cars?

just like the tow ratings these days. just marketing for pub bragging rights.

So true, all the people that cared about those things have moved on or like me stayed in the used car market.

I applaud Ford for the effort they was put into developing Ranger here in Australia and for supporting it
in the market place, it's taken quite a while but Ranger shows that toyota can be beaten. I hope that acts as
a catalyst for more models that people in the market want to buy, Ford needs new kinds of products.