Let's discuss diesel... - Page 3

Struggo · 10-03-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lovford

Because there filthy dirty things that kill people.

Diesel should only be used in heavy vehicles. I myself will never purchase a diesel passenger car or SUV.

lovford · 10-03-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by My32Doors

Might convert the Clevo to diesel and go for a tour past one of your filthy dirty power stations. You know, the ones used to make electricity to refine your exceptionally non polluting petrol.

Aussie is built on Coal power stations, Stupid pollies cant bring them selfs to agree on nuclear energy.(dumb ****s) but the contaminants from power stations(they warn the atmosphere) They dont get into your lungs the moment a diesel ****ter passes you on the freeway. Europe kill 500,000 people a year through the **** that spews out of there smelly cars. How many do there nuc power stations kill. Don't bother wrecking your brain, the awnser is fck all.

lovford · 10-03-2018, 01:45 PM

250 diesel drivers have died from diesel poisoning in Australia in the past year, And all diesel drivers have been advised to drive with there windows up and air con on. If that's not proof enough that these smelly poison laden **** boxes should have 40% tarrifs slapped on them in the name of saving millions of people world wide. WHAT IS???

au350hp · 10-03-2018, 02:01 PM

Diesel is good for one thing & that is long hours behind the wheel which Roddy1960 alludes to & I agree 100%. It was never suitable for stop start driving & short trips and the majority of owners have no concept of the particle filters & service requirements.

Tassie f100 · 10-03-2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lovford

250 diesel drivers have died from diesel poisoning in Australia in the past year, And all diesel drivers have been advised to drive with there windows up and air con on. If that's not proof enough that these smelly poison laden **** boxes should have 40% tarrifs slapped on them in the name of saving millions of people world wide. WHAT IS???

Where do you get these figures from??The numbers that die from anything other than road crashes don,t get reported,so how can you say diesel killed 250

Itsme · 10-03-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lovford

250 diesel drivers have died from diesel poisoning in Australia in the past year, And all diesel drivers have been advised to drive with there windows up and air con on. If that's not proof enough that these smelly poison laden **** boxes should have 40% tarrifs slapped on them in the name of saving millions of people world wide. WHAT IS???

Not doubting the figures but don't blame diesel for all our problems as petrol is also a great contributor of pollutants in the atmosphere you and I breath.
Your petrol guzzling vehicle is just as bad as diesel vehicle.

http://energy.unimelb.edu.au/news-an...than-road-toll

marty351 · 10-03-2018, 04:56 PM

No one has mentioned methane. Far worse than carbon based pollutants as a greenhouse gas.

roKWiz · 10-03-2018, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Roostercam

Diesel is good for one thing & that is long hours behind the wheel which Roddy1960 alludes to & I agree 100%. It was never suitable for stop start driving & short trips and the majority of owners have no concept of the particle filters & service requirements.

Ah well.... there are thousands of smaller diesel powered delivery trucks running around every Australian city in stop, start traffic all day everyday for as long as I can remember. One of the reasons why these smaller diesels are used extensively to power cruising yachts and boats as they are so reliable due to no electrics needed as well being non explosive down in the bilge. Those 3-4ltr 4 cylinder sized engines were such a simple good design until they were stuffed around with by adding electronics, DFP rubbish.
Maybe we could now nuclear power them eh Lovford.

**Rallye Sport** · 10-03-2018, 06:44 PM

I don't see diesel is going anywhere but how we use it is changing.
I consult with a couple of golf courses and I've got to say this is where I'm seeing the most change. Theres alot of hybrid technology appearing due to emission laws, mainly from abroad, but with no local manufacturing industry thats where we have to buy from. Most of the machines still use diesel power for motion but instead of it also powering pto's for implements they're using electric power heads.
Perhaps the hybrid technology may trickle down to the transport industry, good old diesel reliability for the open road then switch over to electric tech for the cities, who knows, didn't think I'd see it in my industry twenty years ago...

PooDog · 10-03-2018, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lovford

Aussie is built on Coal power stations, Stupid pollies cant bring them selfs to agree on nuclear energy.(dumb ****s) but the contaminants from power stations(they warn the atmosphere) They dont get into your lungs the moment a diesel ****ter passes you on the freeway. Europe kill 500,000 people a year through the **** that spews out of there smelly cars. How many do there nuc power stations kill. Don't bother wrecking your brain, the awnser is fck all.

Perhaps you could ride your bike around Chernobel dirty diesels aren't really a problem there ....you could do a stop off at Fukushima on the way also :

roddy1960 · 10-03-2018, 07:37 PM

Yep , Other than a car enthusiast I also have a big interest in rail transport .

In just about every country I can think of with a half decent rail system they are constantly trying to make their services run faster yet cleaner to be able to stay in the game and the pressure is on for that to happen . The really big cities are finding more ways to reduce congestion and pollution and using suburban electric trains as much as possible and where the cost to do so makes sense .

just as an example two of the world's biggest locomotive manufacturers GE and EMD (now owned by Caterpillar) must meet Tier 4 emission standards these days and be able to do it that while being cheaper than before . Have a look at this from a little bit back regarding GE that shows that the evolution has been happening for a while now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdP2iSSmf8 . Then here's EMD (Electro Motive Division) /Caterpillar's response below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9w7Ac1Cnsw . Competition and stricter regulation creates improvements because it has to .

In the USA , Europe and here , new diesel electric locomotives must meet much tougher emission standards and without checking I'd be pretty happy to speculate that truck and bus manufacturers , mining equipment, excavation equipment builders and in maritime applications are under huge pressure to run cheaper and more efficiently otherwise they'll be out of business.

In relation to passenger vehicles using diesel , same exact thing . If they can't meet ever stricter regulations how will they remain viable with petrol , hybrid and electric manufacturers. They won't .

The smokey chokey stuff that is the bain of a few here is most likely some older tech stuff or huge kilometreage worn out clunkers from a decade or two ago that is fast being superseded and will disappear in time.

au350hp · 10-03-2018, 07:38 PM

[QUOTE=roKWiz;6099340]Ah well.... there are thousands of smaller diesel powered delivery trucks running around every Australian city in stop, start traffic all day everyday for as long as I can remember. (QUOTE)
Umm, that was my point.

XRtowcar · 10-03-2018, 07:59 PM

Is Lovford related to Hulk?

ozrunner · 10-03-2018, 08:18 PM

There's nothing worse than being stuck behind a car or SUV spewing black soot. It won't be long before the diesel tide will turn.

States should also all have their own small nuclear power station (NPS) or share etc. Modern NPS's are not an issue nowadays. Japan's first reactor was built in 1965 and 54 were built with 4 still operating in such a small country.

Virtually the whole of the US's Navy is NP including subs. Doesn't seem to cause the crew any issues and once fired up there is no fuel required for at least 50 years.

Whereas, all Oz's Navy are noisy diesels that spew crap into the air and ocean and I'd hate to know what the overall taxpayer funded fuel bill is over their life versus nothing for NP.

The same would apply to NPS for electricity. Imagine how low our electricity bills could be.

The SA Premier wombat makes me laugh with his BS solar and windfarm crap.

A bank of massive emergency DIESEL generators were imported from Europe around August last year and some are housed in Holdens old plant. They can be fired up in minutes to combat low power supplies and cost $300 million and if fired up will use 80,000 litres an HOUR and were probably used over the past summer and the SA public reckon their being powered by wind and sun.

I first saw the SA windfarm in Oct on a trip to Melb and it was unbelievable. A massive visual pollution and eyesaw that could be seen for miles and many weren't even turning. Totalling screws what otherwise was a nice view of rolling hills.

Many counties in the US went down this path years ago and it was a total fail as their lifespan was a joke not to mention their output and now there are rusting windmills farms dotting the landscapes, yet Oz now follows suit. We really are dumb.

jpd80 · 10-03-2018, 08:36 PM

It's not until the dangers of fumes and particulates are revealed that lawmakers act, those same
European rule makers previously pushed diesel cars and crossovers for all their worth.

How hypocritic they all now appear, switching sides when it suits them to do so without regard
to all the people duped into buying diesel cars that are devaluing at a fast rate of knots.

The impact for and against is a lot less in Australia, we don't pay Euro prices for fuel and don't
have as severe traffic and pollution problems as densely populated Europe. So long as people
make informed choices and pick the most suitable vehicles, there's not much more that can be
done until technology gives us an affordable solution.

lovford · 10-03-2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Where do you get these figures from??The numbers that die from anything other than road crashes don,t get reported,so how can you say diesel killed 250

It was published in an national news paper 3 months ago. Diesal drivers keep driving with rose coloured glasses, your killing your self your family and innocent bystanders, like me when I get past by you stinky fkrs on my 10 km ride.

lovford · 10-03-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Mate if you had to spew 3 times in a week it ain't the diesel fumes you probably have a stomach wog

You try riding a bike behind a diesel for 10 minutes with a right side venting exhaust. That should never be fkn allowed . All stacks should Be 500 mm higher than the cabin. Its not to much to ask. Pollies should get there fingers out of there ****, or there secretaries ****, and change the fkn law.

lovford · 10-03-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Is Lovford related to Hulk?

Who's HULK, does hulk turn green because of diesel contamination.

lovford · 10-03-2018, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yearby

What particle emissions are emitted from a petrol engines?

Doesn't make sense unless I have missed something?????????????

Co2 Carbon dioxide is natural, it is caused when every person ,and animal breaths out, Plants breath it in for better growth and yields then exhale oxygen for us all to survive. Diesel kills everything it touches. Got it!!!

Itsme · 10-03-2018, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by marty351

No one has mentioned methane. Far worse than carbon based pollutants as a greenhouse gas.

Methane gas is not toxic to humans. ;-)

Cheers.

Itsme · 10-03-2018, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lovford

Co2 Carbon dioxide is natural, it is caused when every person ,and animal breaths out, Plants breath it in for better growth and yields then exhale oxygen for us all to survive. Diesel kills everything it touches. Got it!!!

Have a read dipstick.

http://energy.unimelb.edu.au/news-an...than-road-toll

Tassie f100 · 11-03-2018, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lovford

It was published in an national news paper 3 months ago. Diesal drivers keep driving with rose coloured glasses, your killing your self your family and innocent bystanders, like me when I get past by you stinky fkrs on my 10 km ride.

Maybe you should keep away from roads with your bicycle.Roads are for powered vehicles not pushbikes.Roads are paid for by people paying taxes on the fuel they buy.If you want to ride a bike,get all your fellow pedal pushers to build your own roads and keep off the roads owned by people who pay for them.

**Rallye Sport** · 11-03-2018, 12:13 AM

Are we confusing carbon dioxide with carbon monoxide. 1 less attached element but far more dangerous.

**solarite_guy** · 11-03-2018, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Officemanager

Methane gas is not toxic to humans. ;-)

Cheers.

From a greenhouse gas perspective it is much worse than co2.

yearby · 11-03-2018, 02:23 AM

I always envisioned a type of diesel/petrol hybrid but using ethanol and having it ignited with micro waves.

Ethanol because it's renewable.

Direct injection and lean mixture so no lost Hydro carbons and no Carbon Monoxide.

High EGR to lower combustion temperatures, thus no NOx.

And use microwaves to ignite the mixture because a flame will not burn in a highly diluted mixture with exhaust gas.
The micro waves will not heat petrol, but they heat ethanol at the molecular level to the point of combustion.

Just a thought.
Peter

The Yeti · 11-03-2018, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lovford

It was published in an national news paper 3 months ago. Diesal drivers keep driving with rose coloured glasses, your killing your self your family and innocent bystanders, like me when I get past by you stinky fkrs on my 10 km ride.

If it was published in a national news paper 3 months ago you could find the article now

But I suspect your figures just like 85% of statistics (including the 85%i just quoted) are simply made up to support your week argument

roKWiz · 11-03-2018, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lovford

Who's HULK, does hulk turn green because of diesel contamination.

Better not mention my 2 stroke diesel, might turn you Alpine green.

GTMOND · 11-03-2018, 08:16 AM

Lovford,
You might find this funny or not.
https://youtu.be/LXa-D7SPG2M

https://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY

GTMOND · 11-03-2018, 08:21 AM

Just one more, my favourite.

https://youtu.be/CEJgqpQ5Mcs

PooDog · 11-03-2018, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lovford

You really are 3 bucks short of a beer. That was a one in a life time fck up by dumb **** Russians who drunk a case of vodka and decided to run a heat test on the rods ( to see how hot they could get before they opened the water valves to let in thousands of litres of water to cool them. The dumb drunk fcks forgot there water tanks were empty and a runaway occurred. Verry different ridding and walking in very populated country in Australia, where every fourth car is a diesel. We cant put an exclusion zone around all of Australia as they did with there Russian fck up.

So only the Russians make mistakes

.....we dont make mistakes down under .....we dont have natural disasters , earthquakes , tsunamis,

, get rid of the smelly diesels and lets have nuclear waste and disasters to deal with

You could go for a 1000 year bike ride and come back when the radiation levels are safe