Should Electric Vehicles be Banned?

[simon varley]

that's a pretty broad sweeping statement about Greenies. as far as I know you don't even know me

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Never said they should be banned, just something that needs to be considered.
Accommodations are made for the disadvantaged everywhere, for example every new business has to be wheelchair accessible, and have wheelchair parking.

If you don't think silent electric cars are going to have to emit some sort of identifiable noise in the future, you are kidding yourself.
Just wait until a blind person walks in front on one and gets hit.

They should have something built into them to emit a sound. If car companies were smart they should allow the user to pick an ICE engine sound of your choice.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by vztrt

They should have something built into them to emit a sound. If car companies were smart they should allow the user to pick an ICE engine sound of your choice.

The dumb car companies thank you for your input

[DJR-351]

....no not the technology, but some of the hideous designs need scrapping.....

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So once again, just like "recycling", EV's just serve to make the Millennials feel good, whilst shifting the problem somewhere else.

I'm sure most of us have seen the "OK Boomer" meme going around lately. This is the attitude that started it.

Almost every person I've seen in an electric car has been over the age of 50.

Anyway apparently building an electric car and charging it off a coal power station is better overall than using petrol car after a certain cumber of kilometres. Once you get decent renewable's working that breakeven point will drop.


Of course electric cars shouldn't be banned. Fuel won't last forever, so lets get people who hate driving and only have a car because they need one into electric cars and allow petrol to last for centuries to come.
I used to hate electric cars, but then I realized they are needed if you want cars to survive into the future.

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Should we ban them? No. But anyone who buys one and thinks they are saving the environment by doing so is a brainwashed moron. Production of EV vehicles is significantly more polluting than that of a regular car, and if the electricity source used to recharge it comes from coal then it's doing even more sweet FA for the environment. While also putting extra load on our ridiculously under capacity power plants. Coming black outs are a certainty in the future. The Vic government allowing the coal powered plant to be closed, and thus relying on importing electricity from other states was idiotic without the resources to replace it's output. Once we have a heatwave across the country it's lights out. 100% this will happen. Just a matter of time.

Originally Posted by xxx000

And these blackouts you predict will somehow be the fault of EV's or is that getting all mixed up into your politics?any proof of your other claims too? or is it just a rant?

He's stating logic and fact. Blackouts have occurred in Vic after Hazlewood was shut down - same in SA after they dropped two coal power stations. Those gov's decided renewables would be the replacements, unfortunately, they don't provide power when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. And they place unrealistic targets (Vic 50% renewables)which is expensive to implement - SA has now(closely followed by Vic)the highest power prices in the country - the wholesale price has gone up around 2 1/2 times.
The SA and Fed gov's are giving $2billion (IIRC)to upgrade the Tesla batt farm in SA from 100MW to 150MW (megawatts) - it'll power all of SA for around 8-9mins, enough time to throw an extn cord over to Vic .
I guess the majority of us have no objection to EV's and clean energy - problem is you have to look at the reality, effects and cost involved in implementing these systems.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by vztrt

They should have something built into them to emit a sound. If car companies were smart they should allow the user to pick an ICE engine sound of your choice.

Nice idea.
I'll take my Mustang Mach E with the soundtrack of a Ferrari 312PB.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6dFzgsq49R8

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by vztrt

They should have something built into them to emit a sound. If car companies were smart they should allow the user to pick an ICE engine sound of your choice.

[Dodge]

i would like a electric powered car just to **** the government off , they have been raping us with high petrol taxes long enough . time we all go off grid and let the elite scum suckers worry where there next billion dollars is coming from

[Windsor220]

The Outlander PHEV emits a sound when driving through carparks/slow driving for pedestrians. Its not that loud though.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Until you run out of petrol and need an electric bowser to fill your car up.

well aware of that. But your responding to a statement I didn't make

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by five 7

Due to a cable fault in 1998 (no other reason) Auckland was blacked out for around 5 weeks, blackouts happen. With a ice car you can refill jerry can, not sure how you would get on with a ev. Ice generator maybe

I recall that! I think they had to drill a tunnel for new cabling in Aucklands rock base

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by xxx000

and I can recall numerous fuel strikes that caused shortages in Sydney. Cars queued for blocks in Sydney at limited servos that were allowed to be open trying to get precious fuel.

was that back in the 80s?

[jmack]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...20-p53cdj.html

[dunga]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

was that back in the 80s?

More so in the 70s generally around Christmas time

[dunga]

Originally Posted by jmack

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...20-p53cdj.html

Make no mistakes about it when this does come in petrol users will pay more than now greedy politicians won't be able to help themselves It will ne on a per km basis no matter how fiel.efficient your car is.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by xxx000

And these blackouts you predict will somehow be the fault of EV's or is that getting all mixed up into your politics?


any proof of your other claims too? or is it just a rant?

I didn't say anything about EV's being the cause of blackouts, but if enough of them hit the roads over the coming years it will add to the strain on our electricity grid.

And they have these things called ears and eyes, you can use to read and watch the news with. Then maybe you would actually know what is going on since the closure of the hazlewood plant, which overnight saw victorias electricity supply drop 25%, and then forced victoria to import electricity from other states.

www.google.com

Or are facts rants now?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by whynot

7. EV batteries can be recycled. Already, there is a second hand market for EV batteries being reused as storage batteries for home. And while it is more expensive to recycle the batteries than mining the raw materials, they can be recycled (see CSIRO report into lithium battery recycling).

Unfortunately less than 5% of Lithium batteries are recycled, as you mention its more expensive.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Unfortunately less than 5% of Lithium batteries are recycled, as you mention its more expensive.

That's Good, As I've got shares in a Lithium Mine.....

[roKWiz]

I wonder what happened to all those homebuilt EV's people built back in the 80s and 90's.
And boats, there was a heap of electric powered launches around then too.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I wonder what happened to all those homebuilt EV's people built back in the 80s and 90's.
And boats, there was a heap of electric powered launches around then too.

There's an old Ferry that give tours around Wagonga Inlet at Narooma (N.S.W. South Coast) That's Electric Powered...
The Old Bloke who Runs It gave me a Tour (& a Lecture) All about IT...

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by hayseed

That's Good, As I've got shares in a Lithium Mine.....

As Darryl said in the castle...what do ya know about lead?
Lithium? Heavy metals? Nekminut

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

The Outlander PHEV emits a sound when driving through carparks/slow driving for pedestrians. Its not that loud though.

There is a button on the dash to turn the low speed sound off (it sounded like the engines on Millennium Falcon with loose gravel in its hyperdrive unit).

When the sound was off, and so too the A/C, it was truly whisper in the car park.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

but if enough of them hit the roads over the coming years it will add to the strain on our electricity grid.

Check out Vehicle 2 Grid proposals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-to-grid

(the article on Wiki has a reasonable pros and cons view).

[PhilT2]

[QUOTE=snap0964;6368121]The SA and Fed gov's are giving $2billion (IIRC)to upgrade the Tesla batt farm in SA from 100MW to 150MW (megawatts) -/QUOTE]

You might like to check that figure; the original cost of the project was less than $100mil. It seems unlikely an upgrade would cost $2bill

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

You might like to check that figure; the original cost of the project was less than $100mil. It seems unlikely an upgrade would cost $2bill

That's why I had IIRC in brackets, and a typo on my part too - I meant 20 Million. The exact figure all up will be around $23mill.
There goes my possible career in the Treasury .

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Or are facts rants now?

yes facts can be used in a rant
a rant isnt what said but how
To speak or write in an angry or emotionally charged manner is classed as ranting as well

[superyob]

Oh the rampant homophobic misogynist transphobia in this thread. I wilt with offence. Do you not know that 6 bazillion blue haired unicorns will die as a result of suggesting that electric vehicles may not be part of the planet's communist, ahem, green direction...

[mick taylor]

Is it true that if a EV is involved in a bad crash, not to touch it or you may get zapped or fried to a crisp.

[Franco Cozzo]

Yesterday we had a 40 degree day and had a 4 hour blackout because everyone tried using their AC - imagine everyone charging their cars

Maybe that's what we need for a wake-up call, rolling infrastructure failure on a national scale, let people have unreliable power that's on and off for a few hours a day, that way they'll pull their head out their *** come election time.

Everyone has 2 hours of power a day but you don't know where you'll have it.