Suggestions for a 7 seat SUV

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Post 2011 Ford Territory, don’t listen to the trolls, who are here to talk up their love for Toyota.

I drove one at the Ford Proving Ground on their off road track, including water crossings and climbing those banks. It really was a great Australian vehicle.

Get a 5 seater with a 6 cylinder petrol engine.

Lol, the troll that just traded a 2011 SZ petrol and Prado on a Mitsubishi??

This one in fact, dealer says AWD diesel but its RWD petrol.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/blai...-sz/1330396033

Yeah, dont listen to that guy, clearly hates Fords and loves Toyota

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Lol, the troll that just traded a 2011 SZ petrol and Prado on a Mitsubishi??

This one in fact, dealer says AWD diesel but its RWD petrol.
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/blai...-sz/1330396033

Yeah, dont listen to that guy, clearly hates Fords and loves Toyota

I'm not suggesting for a second that your experience is not relevant, but I'm just not sure it represents the broad spectrum of experiences.

As an example, I've owned two territories in my time: an sy tx and a petrol szii. The sy was purchased from new through to around 100k km and, other than regular servicing, I don't recall there being any significant issues with it. And the includes the dreaded balljoint failure.

We purchased the szii second hand. I don't recall the exact kms on the clock but I think it was around the 40 -50k km mark. The ex now owns it, and it has just shy of 200k km on it now, and, again, other than regular servicing, and the thermo fan running full issue, it's not had any significant issues. In fact, I offered to buy it off the ex yesterday, and she told me that, other than her winning lotto, there was no way she would part with it. She loves it that much.

So, as much as you don't want people to discount your experience, you shouldn't discount the experience of others, either.

And there's a few in here who have had good experiences with territories.

[roKWiz]

I suspect he has owned a few himself.

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I've had a few, some i've owned twice.

In order

TC Cortina 4cyl(pre licence project)
TE Cortina 2.0l*(first driver)
LH Torana 3.3l*
VB Commy 3.3l
Datsun 1200
VB Commy 3.3l
HX Kingswood 4.2l
XD Falcon 4.1l
HX GTS 4.2l
LH Torana 4.2l*(V8 conversion)
UC Torana 3.3l
TD Cortina 2.0l
LC Torana 1.3l
TE Cortina 2.0l*
LX torana 3.3l
HZ Kingswood 3.3l
VB Commy 3.3l
XD Fairmont 4.1l*
86 Corona 2.0l
EA Fairmont
TF Cortina 4.1l
XE Falcon 4.1l
Datsun 200b
UC Torana 3.3l
VH SLX 4.2l
XE S'pack 4.1l
98 Excel
95 Sonata 2.0l
VK Commy 5.0l
TA Torana 1860cc brabham
XF s'pack 4.1l
UC SLE Hatch 1.9l(replaced with 3.3l)
XD Fairmont*
TE Cortina 4.1l
LH Torana 2.85l
VC Commy 3.3l
JB Camira 1.6l
XF Ghia 4.1l
VB SLE 4.2l
EA wagon
VK Commy 3.3l
XE S'pack 4.1l
XE S'pack 4.1l
EA Fairmont
XF S'pack 4.1l
EF Fairmont 4.0l
96 Vienta toring v6
HZ Ute 3.3l
VP S'pack 3.8l
VS Equipe 3.8l
KJ Laser 1.6l
XF ghia 4.1l
EF Falcon 4.0l
TD Cortina 2.0l
EA S'pack*
TJ Magna 3.5l
XF S'pack
VR Statesman 5.0l
ED Ghia 4.0l
BA Falcon 4.0l
PH Courier 2.6l
EL Futura 4.0l*
EF XR8 ex chaser
XC Falcon 4.1l
XA Ute 3.3l
EL Fairmont 4.0l
KE70 Corolla 1.3l
VN Berlina 3.8l
VT Acclaim 3.8l*
XE S'pack 4.1l
VS Acclaim 3.8l
EB Ghia 4.0l
EL Futura 4.0l*
EF GLi 4.0l
EA S 3.9mpfi*
95 Courier dual cab 2.6l
01 Hyundai Accent
83 Jackaroo diesel
AU2 SR 4.0l
KA Laser 1.5 'S'
95 Mazda Astina 1.8l
00 TH Magna 3.5l
99 AU XR6
00 Jackaroo 3.5l
01 TJ Magna VRX
08 BF2 XT 4.0l
97 VT 3.8l*
96 Vienta Touring Series
96 CE Lancer Coupe
10 Camry Sportivo
01 R50 Pathfinder
09 BF3 Egas Wagon
13 Outlander
13 SZ Territory TX 2.7
19 Picanto GT Line
14 LW2 Focus
07 SY Territory TS

Bikes
Honda z50
Yamaha YZ80J
Yamaha YZ80L
Honda XL185S
Honda XRX250
Suzuki DRz250
Honda ZZR250

*Owned twice

Thats it...

Thought i'd better update this...lol
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[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I suspect he has owned a few himself.

I'm aware of that. I was referring specifically to bent's experiences with his territories. Again, I'm not sure his experience is representative of the general experience across the board with territories.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I'm aware of that. I was referring specifically to bent's experiences with his territories. Again, I'm not sure his experience is representative of the general experience across the board with territories.

I'm sure if you wait long enough he will give you his own opinions of them.

[FTE217]

watching from the sideline is funny at times.
TBH should just respect each others opinions for correct Fox, we all experience things differently no matter the commodity.

Good and ordinary in everything, I go by you get what you pay for and even then you can get caught out.
There is always Ford bias here pretty obvious why within reason.

Bent you sure have been a flipper of cars, couldn't be bothered going through all those rego transfers buying selling drive me barra.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I'm sure if you wait long enough he will give you his own opinions of them.

I'm confused. He already has.

Hence the reply. Not just by me, but others as well.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Toiler

I should have added. In my opinion the implementation of the AWD in the SZII is very poor with too many shortcuts taken (bean counters?) and the SY option is far far better.

Thanks for the replies. We have driven some SZIIs and came away thinking they couldn't hold a candle to our SY in the steering and AWD feel respects. Otherwise, they are an improvement in many ways.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by lamborghinifan

Biggest downside for territory imho- far above the annoying but cheap to fix maintenance issues, is the 3rd row is very tiny, and doesn’t split fold. Meaning you’re stuck with seating for 5 and a healthy boot, or 5 in comfort, 1 or 2 in discomfort, and no boot. From an owner of 2 of them (much loved, albeit the turbo petrol models) and someone who’s been and tried everything to get the perfect all rounder.

The kids when young teenagers loved sitting on the back seat, with us in the front, and the middle seat down so they could extend their legs amongst all snowboards and gear etc in the middle. But you are right - they are little seats.

[Sprintey]

Redriven's used Territory review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJdj2Pt7cc4

and review sheet

https://redriven.com/cheat-sheets/us...ritory-review/

Yes we are biased FTE217

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by FTE217

watching from the sideline is funny at times.
TBH should just respect each others opinions for correct Fox, we all experience things differently no matter the commodity.

Good and ordinary in everything, I go by you get what you pay for and even then you can get caught out.
There is always Ford bias here pretty obvious why within reason.

Bent you sure have been a flipper of cars, couldn't be bothered going through all those rego transfers buying selling drive me barra.

Surprised some of the above cars, were ever able to make it onto our roads!

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by HIPO

Surprised some of the above cars, were ever able to make it onto our roads!

hehe, it is radelaide say no more.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I'm confused. He already has.

Hence the reply. Not just by me, but others as well.

Well, no, I haven't really.
I put forward Territory as a viable option so I guess that could be considered a positive opinion.

I also outlined some common faults experienced by Territory owners, however, I never claimed it effected all examples.
Having said that, the youngest Territory is going on 9yrs old now, so anyone considering buying one will likely encounter
Some of those issues sooner or later so its worth noting and certainly worth mentioning to assist the OP with their decision making and search.

I'll also say the 3.5 in Kluger are succeptible to oil gallery blockage where regular servicing is not maintained.
I can say that because im unbiased..

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by HIPO

Surprised some of the above cars, were ever able to make it onto our roads!

I can assure you, most of those cars were the best examples you could find, the few that werent when they came into my ownership sure were better when they left and most of it done by myself, not too many cheques written.

[PG2]

Guys and Gals

I've been watching this thread for the last day or so.

I'll start by saying that BENT can 'upset' me as much as the next guy, however...

His is still allowed to express an opinion particularly when the OP asks for one.

Sorry HIPO, I am going to throw you under the bus here, but HIPO even added to the suggestion of a Kluger and no one battered an eyelid.

All I am saying everyone is to play the ball, not the person.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by PG2

Guys and Gals

I've been watching this thread for the last day or so.

I'll start by saying that BENT can 'upset' me as much as the next guy, however...

His is still allowed to express an opinion particularly when the OP asks for one.

Sorry HIPO, I am going to throw you under the bus here, but HIPO even added to the suggestion of a Kluger and no one battered an eyelid.

All I am saying everyone is to play the ball, not the person.

Thankyou PG, I had noted that too but didnt bother making a point of it, I do appreciate you highlighting the inconsistancy though.

[Swordie]

Volvo XC90

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

The issue is, every time a Toyota product is mentioned on here, locals feel the need to trash them which supports my comments in the Vfacts thread that in the absence of Holden, Ford fans have to create an us v them mentality with Toyota to remain relevant.

WTAF?
Back in the 70's and 80's, Toyota did a great job, around the world, of improving the quality and reliability of heir cars. To the point of becoming superior to most of their competitors.
However they're been allowed to trade off that reputation for far too long.

It's a HUGE problem in the second hand market, because when people are looking for help, some numpty always pipes up with "buy Toyota." This results in Toyotas being grossly overpriced.

Kluggers typify ALL the problems with Toyota. Styled by a blind monk, conceived for people that see cars as a simply an appliance, boring, over-priced, and unpleasant to drive.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Styled by a blind monk, conceived for people that see cars as a simply an appliance, boring, over-priced, and unpleasant to drive.

Did you ever stop and think, yeah, thats how I see it, but the OP, and thousands of others, are ok with that and its you that may have it wrong or simply different tastes.

See the way I view it, the OP asks a question, people give suggestions, its then back to the OP to sort through those suggestions.
At no point did the OP ask you for your thoughts on other peoples suggestions.
You simply cant help yourself, particularly if the word Toyota is in a post of mine as PG pointed out.

[Cav]

$50,000 drive away 7 year warranty

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

WTAF?
Back in the 70's and 80's, Toyota did a great job, around the world, of improving the quality and reliability of heir cars. To the point of becoming superior to most of their competitors.
However they're been allowed to trade off that reputation for far too long.

It's a HUGE problem in the second hand market, because when people are looking for help, some numpty always pipes up with "buy Toyota." This results in Toyotas being grossly overpriced.

Kluggers typify ALL the problems with Toyota. Styled by a blind monk, conceived for people that see cars as a simply an appliance, boring, over-priced, and unpleasant to drive.

Nope. I’ll give another plug to Kluga.

I got my sister into one a couple of years ago.
Initially I thought a Territory.
Instantly ruled out the SYs, they simply haven’t stood the test of time. Paint fade, rust, shit B series interior build quality, antiquated ICC system. Unless you drop the purchase price in repairs on suspension/brakes you’ll be forever chasing your tail keeping on top if it.
Not an issue if you want a neglected beater to get around in, if you want something presentable, forget it.

Considered SZ, all models. Ruled out the diesels after seeing a few examples with thousands of $$ of invoices carried out in the engine alone.
My preference was SZ Titanium RWD, but they were thin on the ground.
Ruled out Territory aafter the half dozen or so SZ I looked at all had rust around the tailgate latch, hinges and under the 3rd row seats.

So paid a bit more and went with Kluga.
Solid built quality.
Reliable.
Resale/easy to move on.
Ive done a couple of long trips in it and they eat up highway kms quite well and sit solid on the road.

Of course I tried to convince her to get a Octavia or Passat wagon (when they still made them) but typical woman made up a list of excuses as to why she ‘needs’ a SUV.

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Did you ever stop and think, yeah, thats how I see it, but the OP, and thousands of others, are ok with that and its you that may have it wrong or simply n, people give suggestions, its then back to the OP to sort through

Truth. Apparently, Toyota have problems. Their biggest problem is: "Geez, we're selling so many cars that we're a mile in front of the competition. We must be doing something right."

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by smoo

Nope. I’ll give another plug to Kluga.

I've decided that my next purchase will be a Mazda 6 wagon, but we briefly considered a Kluger. Only thing that put me off is that I've never fallen for the SUV fad, and I'm resisting the urge to buy one.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

I've decided that my next purchase will be a Mazda 6 wagon, but we briefly considered a Kluger. Only thing that put me off is that I've never fallen for the SUV fad, and I'm resisting the urge to buy one.

Go on, dare to be different. The Mazda 6 wagon is quite a lovely looking vehicle.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

I've decided that my next purchase will be a Mazda 6 wagon, but we briefly considered a Kluger. Only thing that put me off is that I've never fallen for the SUV fad, and I'm resisting the urge to buy one.

Yeah, and what I forgot to mention was, the few things an SUV offers over a traditional wagon (3rd row seat even if it severely limits load space, awd/ground clearance, extra towing capacity) she doesn’t use, so what’s the point…
A normal wagon will do everything else better and use 1/3 less fuel.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by smoo

A normal wagon will do everything else better and use 1/3 less fuel.

Except entry and exit, especially when getting on in years. An undeniable fact. Humans become less flexible as they age and it affects many earlier rather than later.

Not to mention both my territory and Everest use less fuel than my falcons (eb, ef, el, ba, bf2 and fg) and are more comfortable to travel in.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Except entry and exit, especially when getting on in years. An undeniable fact. Humans become less flexible as they age and it affects many earlier rather than later.

Not to mention both my territory and Everest use less fuel than my falcons (eb, ef, el, ba, bf2 and fg) and are more comfortable to travel in.

Most people making up a page long list of excuses as to why they need an SUV to drive one or two children around town are able bodied Gen Y and Z so that’s a moot point.

Ok, but you’re comparing old tech 6 cylinder petrol to more modern common rail diesels. Maybe compare your SUV fuel consumption to say a modern diesel Euro wagon that averages around 6l/100km and will get into the 4s on the highway.

Another factor is the stability of an SUV if or when the need to take evasive action, stop quickly, put a wheel in the dirt through inattention. None will perform as good as a decent sedan/wagon in the same circumstances. Despite the perception they are safer, another BS justification to owning one.

[prydey]

Most people buy the cars they want.

A few people get upset that other people buy different cars than what they would prefer.

Most SUVs at some point, if not still, had a sedan or hatch equivalent. The market has spoken. I'll never know why it bothers other people. No one is forced to buy a car. New or used. Whatever style. Time for the minority to accept that are a minority. It doesn't make it right or wrong. There is no right or wrong.

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by prydey

A few people get upset that other people buy different cars than what they would prefer.

Absolute truth. Some people on here who rag on Toyota because there are customers in the market who prefer Toyota's product instead of Ford's product should take heed of your comment.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Absolute truth. Some people on here who rag on Toyota because there are customers in the market who prefer Toyota's product instead of Ford's product should take heed of your comment.

I was referring more to the style of vehicle people choose.