6 Cyl Mods

[Casper]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

Actually go to the drags, instead of looking up times in books.
The 347 ran 15.3 too (a few more hundreths than mine) and is in several magazines saying so. (seeing you belive books so much)

That was on the given (hot) day, In sunny QLD at Willowbank,
there were traffic jams the whole way there,
even staging lanes were busy,
Cars were hot enough to cook eggs on the bonnet.

Both cars would run quicker if I was quoting the best times acievable.

Most e-a series Winsors will never go quicker than 13's

achievable with a worked 6cyl.

And no Casper, we would have been side by side over the line.
(We did not race eachother)


Temperature, Track conditions, Wind etc
Can all effect our times,
The times quoted in a book,'
are the best achieved in perfect conditions,
With no compulsorary burnout,
No one staging next to you,
All the time in the world to let the engine cool etc. etc...
Not very real world.
Timeslips dont lie.

What 347 are you Talking about Casper,
Sound like your quoting TE50 figures.

The 347 I raced was real Casper, not theoretical like your quote.

Gee, I must have dreamed up the hundred or so passes I have done at the drag strip in my I6 over the last 3 years. Or the thousands of passes I've seen run fist hand. Or even the hundreds of cars I have known from this forums and exactly what they have run.
You assume WAY too much. I am not a "them there book racer" that you are implying. I race... for real. I have an AU I6, I've owned a 5.0 E Series, I have driven eveything from 351 clevos (stock and modded), 302's, 308's, 347's etc.

There are a number of members on this forum with 347's and every other variation you like. So istead of looking like a tool, use the search button or the timeslip database and have a damn good look next time.
Here, let me help. This is just SOME of the AU's for you to compare your times to.

Quarter Mile - I6
14.309 @ 97.66 mph Sedan - Hamo
14.680 @ 94.63 mph Sedan - loxxr6
14.901 @ 94.33 mph Sedan - EvilChief
14.916 @ 92.27 mph Sedan - Stiddy
15.024 @ 93.54 mph Sedan - Casper
15.095 @ 91.03 mph Sedan - SIKSIX
15.194 @ 90.1.2mph wagon Useless
15.234 @ 90.76 mph XR6 Ute - XRQTR
15.464 @ 90.24 mph Wagon - Jon Bays
15.48 @ 146.6 kmh Sedan Auto - Temujin
15.500 @ 88.54 mph Xr6 ute - vctxr6ute
15.629 @ 90.31 mph Sedan - LOWAU
16.307 @ 85.70 mph Sedan - LG

Quarter Mile - V8
13.510 @ 104.05 mph Stroked XR8 Sedan - Slipper
13.520 @ 104.68 mph 5.6L Sedan - Noddy
13.591 @ 100.43 mph 5.6L Sedan - sbutler
13.620 @ 102.07 mph 5.6L Sedan - Firefox7
14.081 @ 97.64 mph 5 ltr Sedan- Whoosha
14.100 @ 101.10 mph 5.6L Sedan - Grunter
14.153 @ 98.62 mph 5L Ute - xr8ute
14.209 @ 98.79 mph 5.6L Sedan - Tornado
14.373 @ 97.64 mph 5L Sedan - AUGhiaV8
14.409 @ 96.11 mph 5L Sedan -Swoop
14.441 @ 95.28 mph 5L Ute - AU2XLSV8
14.763 @ 96.57 mph 5L Sedan - 8pAc
14.868 @ 96.?? mph 5L Sedan - AU XR8
14.896 @ 94.90 mph 5L Ute - Sylox
14.967 @ 91.42 mph 5L Sedan - RspecAU
15.017 @ 93.13 mph Sedan - |2aebird
15.340 @ cant remember (completely stock 5L Sedan) - |2aebird
15.400 @ 93.80 mph 5L Sedan - JC (using G-Tech)

Your time would beat that last 2 V8's. Just. You are not even in the same ball park as most of them.
These are NOT book figures.. these are real. Wake up, you are in a big boys game now.

[Laminge]

I really don't think I have seen anyone owned so embarrassingly as this, certainly will have to book mark this thread for future amusement!

[5speedeb]

mate ill say it again show us your time slip for your own sake

[stiddy]

Was the 347 in reverse? thats a serious question?
Honestly an I6 beating a 347, and you scratch through with a 15.2. A very very mild 5L with exhaust, intake can run a 15.2
Even me running a 14.9, can harass a few 5L's, but a stroker, not a chance. LOL my mate has a 308/355 stroker in a VK and its not a topshelf engine either.. even it running very badly and untuned tore my car a new one..
You can beat 2 of the V8's listed there, 1 of them being totally stock and the other has a cat back. Hardly strokers.
Dont get me wrong, you can get a 6 knocking off a few 8's, no doubt at all.. but a stroker and a 15.2 ??!?! WTF!?!?!

[Baboon_AU]

hahahahha, this is such a funny thread!

[heckaz performance]

As I said it was a hot day.
Thats what they ran.

It's not going to be anyones best time, as I stated. :

They were both crap times and both cars would have run quicker in better (cooler) conditions.

You are quoting cars best times,
and I should be around half way down that NA6 list too (in crap conditions) :

Mph shows a vehicles power.
Times can be greatly effected by 60 foot time,
High stalls, manuals etc will have better 60 foot times.

So theres no v8's in your list, doing better than mid 13's, even stroked.
Many NA 6's are doing this now, with stock size bottomends.
For thousands of $$$ less, with 2 less cylinders and 1- 1.6L less capacity.

Gtech results vary and cannot be compared to actual times.

No stroked sixes on the list bud? why strokers at all then? :
I'm sure someone will stroke a ford six before too long,
It's been done for the holden v6.

Their have been carbie windsors into the 11's so whats going on?
(5L's even. not strokers)

The same set up could be injected.

I like the debate.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

So theres no v8's in your list, doing better than mid 13's, even stroked.
Many NA 6's are doing this now, with stock size bottomends.

Many I6's doing 13's huh? Does 4 qualified and accounted for I6 Falcons under 13.999 seconds count as many? 1 of which is a dedicated drag car (JMM EB) and the other 3 all in the high 13's count?
Oh, but there are Cortina's doing 13's and even 12's with the I6 isnt there? Of course their is. Of couse there are also Cortinas and Capri's running V8's in the 9's or better.
Please. Stop reading books and listening to heresay and at least get the facts straight. I am a full on I6 Falcon fan. I love my VCT and it has held up well.. but even when its running like a gem and pulling its best times, even now after G&D has worked some more magic on it just last week, there are AU V8's out there, both 5.0 and strokers, that will pummel me on even a hot and crappy day.
Yes, you may have beaten an 347 once but to assume that this means you have the ability to take out any and all other V8's is a pipe dream. I've beaten plenty of V8's, even the odd LS1 but that doesnt mean I can beat them all. In fact, I'll be lucky to beat 1 in 50 or 1 in 100 of the LS1's, 347's and BOSS powered cars.
You can argue it till you are blue in the face.. all you will get is laughed at. Quit while you are ahead.

[Bucknaked]

Look what I started. Shame on you Buckie. Oh the controversy : Interesting reading thou.

[heckaz performance]

No, I admit I have been beaten by 8's,
(it bugs me for days),
But buck for buck I reckon they (4L or 5L) will do similar times.

There are plenty of fast 5L holdens for example. I find them (vn to vp) to occasionally fly ( a couple have beaten me). My mate has one with 280hp @ wheels (215kw @ wheels) and wants a race.

[heckaz performance]

I am glad you posted peoples actual times,
and I retract my "looked in book" statement, as these ones are real times.
Strokers should be in their own list though I reckon.

Nothing I have said was read in a book so WTF!! was with that statement you made.

And I never said I could beat any V8,
I mentioned one, Real world, situation where it occured.
So WTF why lie. :jab:

[GK]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Look what I started. Shame on you Buckie. Oh the controversy : Interesting reading thou.

Bad Buckie, very bad Buckie. I agree it's interesting reading, dare I say it.... entertaining reading! LOL! I'm glad you started it! :

GK

[Casper]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

I am glad you posted peoples actual times,
and I retract my "looked in book" statement, as these ones are real times.
Strokers should be in their own list though I reckon.

Which would mean XFlows get their own list. Maybe auto and manuals get seperated. Opened, unopened? 91RON and 98RON lists? Where do we draw the line?

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

Nothing I have said was read in a book so WTF!! was with that statement you made.

Oh, sorry, I just assumed that if you could jump to wild, unresearched and broadly wrong based statements then I'd give it a shot too... not nice is it?

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

And I never said I could beat any V8,
I mentioned one, Real world, situation where it occured.
So WTF why lie. :jab:

No, but you most certainly clearly implied that the I6 was an easy match for the Windsor and other V8's

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

Put is this way. SAY IT WITH YOUR TIMESLIP.
I have a 6cyl NA EF, I have done better Times at Willowbank than an AU 347 stroker that was at the same meet.

What times you runnin?
NA 6 vs Windsor any day.
NA 6's into 13's
How many unstroked stock headed, late model windsors are doing this?
Apparently the v8 heads got better from AU on,
but thats because if something wasn't done, the six would've been more powerful.

Don't XR6's beat XR8's in the E and A series?

V8's will always sound better though. (Fat lot of good that'll do you when you get blown away by a 6)

NA 6's into 13's - 4 Falcon based cars that are proven
How many unstroked stock headed, late model windsors are doing this? - More than there are I6's with similar mods. In fact, in the AU range, mod for mod, the V8 is almost always superior. Given that the AU is now 8 years old I'd classify them as late model but the E Series is getting a bit long in the tooth the be "late model" now. 2 series out of date at best.

[heckaz performance]

A Stroker is a stroker,
And, your list was all sized V8 vs 6cyl 4L sixes,
but, Yes Xflow should be seperate (you did it anyway, everyone would) Just as we are not comparing Windsors to the New V8's

I didn't know we were only talking in the AU range of Windsor, I wasn't, my cars are all E - series.

Like I said buck for buck they are pretty even.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

I didn't know we were only talking in the AU range of Windsor, I wasn't, my cars are all E - series.

Because this is the AUFALCON.COM forums??? :

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by HLC

my car is an absolute MISSILE!

I hear ya buddy. I thought it would be a little quicker because I thought it had a different diff to the forte and whatnot, but it must be the extra weight?

[heckaz performance]

Fair enough Casper, but the stroker was an AU.

[Mechan1k]

I don't try and race ... I'd break the timing gear ..... actually I don't think it registers anything over 20 seconds for the 1/4mile.

Actually I think you just get the message on your timeslip "go home and don't come again" .... kinda like the old HSC TER marking under 15% .... LOL

Just kidding people (not about my times though .... LOL)

[FTE217]

Is heckaz performance a short person ?

Thanks Buck I knew this was going to be good but it will become a classic before its locked !

[HLC]

Originally Posted by The Monty

I hear ya buddy. I thought it would be a little quicker because I thought it had a different diff to the forte and whatnot, but it must be the extra weight?

its all that velour and plastic wood weighing us down :

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by HLC

its all that velour and plastic wood weighing us down :

A small price to pay for the added comfort, and the " is this your grandads car" comments. I love them. :

[HLC]

Originally Posted by The Monty

A small price to pay for the added comfort, and the " is this your grandads car" comments. I love them. :

i cant stand those comments. they drive me nuts!!!! cant wait to do all that modification garbage so people wont say that :

[INJECTED_250]

AT least its a good read :>...

[JC]

What was this thread about again? Oh yeh, 6 cyl mods and why we do them. Obviously not to beat V8s, but just to beat other 6s, with the occasional V8 thrown in for desert.

[heckaz performance]

WTF!!!
No I'm not short (6ft).
I thought the Thread was talking about "why people do up 6cyl",
And I said why I did it,
It seems like the Thread is really about V8 owners bagging the crap out of 6cyl owners who actually answer the Threads original question.

If any NA 6cyl can beat your Windsor, you should be embarassed.
By the way, Your missus reckons you're a "short" person Bluedriver.

[heckaz performance]

And by the way,
Why are the V8's racing against 6's proud of it,
The 6's aren't racing against 4cyl's, They are racing you V8's.
Which takes balls.

So hows your V8 go against a larger capacity engine?
The New fords and Holdens Flog you.
So you have to resort to racing against 6's which can still beat you on occasion.

[GK]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

It seems like the Thread is really about V8 owners bagging the crap out of 6cyl owners who actually answer the Threads original question.

I don't get that impression, the person you've clashed ideas with most is Casper, hes got a 6. JC has both, but you've hardly clashed with him.

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

And by the way, why are the V8's racing against 6's proud of it,

I with you on this one. When an I6 takes an 8 it's awesome, like a glitch in the Matrix, great!

When an 8 blows away a 6, that's expected, like when a school yard bully from Yr 12 beats up a kid in Yr 7. There's no bragging rights in that! :

The usual challenge is 6 on 6 or 8 on 8. I take my hat off to all I6 guys who give the 8 braggers a good going over! Go the underdog! LOL!

My Family Futura Wagon on gas is hardly the performance machine stuff that dreams are made of! Come to think of it, my stock SR isn't much better! e

GK

[heckaz performance]

Ok, True
Casper, you are the main one doing 99% of the bagging.
The statements I made answered the question in the Thread.

I bet your car runs a little slower in hot conditions, as everyones does. :
So you may have had a 10th on me at the most,
I've upgraded my Fuel System now,
And would probably beat you now anyway, (but am going a GT42 Turbo so will smoke em past you) :
You're not that quick, certainly not quick enough to justify your smart allec, but incorrect comments: :

Most Strokers do not have a TE50 manifold, (internal trumpets, big plenum)
So they are often not as quick or powerfull as a TE50.
They are a quick Windsor, and I never said I could beat one.

Remove all the strokers from your list of times,
And theres not too much difference, between 6 or V8
Which was the original Question.

Seeing you are mostly AU guys, you do have better heads than the earlier V8's, I was talking all injected Windsors (from e- series.) :

[TCK-098]

Don't XR6's beat XR8's in the E and A series?

: yeah ive proven that a couple of times lately : as for turbo set-ups id rather put another deposit on a house and by the time im finished modding the I6 the cost would only be around $5000 instead of the $10+ some are spending to go backwards.

[Whoosha]

mmm....nah wont say that ...... :evil3: .... I gota a 6 pack in the shed that will munch a number of 8s I got a 8 in the drive that will munch a number of 6s + 8s what was more fun .... probable the 6 at the time what cost the most to do... the 6 ... hind sight plus the smart money to be spent (bang 4 bucks) the 8 hands down :

............. just enjoy what ya got ........Whoosha


this is the opinion off a ageing petrol head who wont age gracefuly + has spent way to much on way too many mods( check with wife of 30 years ) for way to little return.. :

[Casper]

Originally Posted by heckaz performance

Ok, True
Casper, you are the main one doing 99% of the bagging.
The statements I made answered the question in the Thread.

I bet your car runs a little slower in hot conditions, as everyones does. :
So you may have had a 10th on me at the most,
I've upgraded my Fuel System now,
And would probably beat you now anyway, (but am going a GT42 Turbo so will smoke em past you) :
You're not that quick, certainly not quick enough to justify your smart allec, but incorrect comments: :

You're an idiot.. go away. Next time you pick a fight, get your facts straight.. and make sure you dont call a SUPER MODERATOR a "fewl".. take a month off.