New HSV E- Series have been released to the Public.

[Lukeyson]

Originally Posted by Kachow

the huge wing on the back of the FPV's is very wrx, very try hard too :yeees:

actually derived from the falcon supercars :eclipsee_

[VQST80]

Must agree the Au falcoon is the worst looking, performing.
But holdens VB/VK were not that hot either.

I await the grange but.

[Boss 290]

pfffft big deal it has a bit more power then a car that has been the same since 2003. hsv keep putting the power up in their cars because they have no idea what else to do. the fpvs still look way hotter.orin will put them in their place anyway. i will say obe thing though...the amount of weight gained on thes new cars is no big deal coz they are still lighter then the fords.

[Wezza]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

the HSV's can derelict my balls.

Wow, that seemed like a comment coming from someone with a very informed opinion........... Seriously, how old are some of you people.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by VQST80

Must agree the Au falcoon is the worst looking, performing.
But holdens VB/VK were not that hot either.

I await the grange but.

Man im sick of the AU Bashing :

Here we are looking at HSV's latest which looks like a riced up Audi gone wrong and the best you can do is jump back to the AU a car released in 1998, well it's present day and GM Billion doller baby looks like a joke and BF Falcon Kills it for looks, if you Holden fans cared so much about handling and refinement you would have bought an AU over the VT/VX Models.

Im So over this VE hype it's not funny and yes i have gone to look at them in the flesh and evan my holden loving mate that drives a Bolt on + Tune VYII SS said they look very plain and unagressive.

[Wezza]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

The badge has nothing to do with it. They look like try hard boy racers. Heaven forbid Ford bring out anything this ugly.

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So, some of you say the VE looks like a Falcon, then some people say heaven forbid if Ford bring anything out like this? Hmmmm.......

Why can't people just learn to appreciate a car without badge blindness? It is so refreshing to see some forumers who are Ford fans but can appreciate a nice Holden when they see it or vice versa.

[Wezza]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Man im sick of the AU Bashing :

Here we are looking at HSV's latest which looks like a riced up Audi gone wrong and the best you can do is jump back to the AU a car released in 1998, well it's present day and GM Billion doller baby looks like a joke and BF Falcon Kills it for looks, if you Holden fans cared so much about handling and refinement you would have bought an AU over the VT/VX Models.

Im So over this VE hype it's not funny and yes i have gone to look at them in the flesh and evan my holden loving mate that drives a Bolt on + Tune VYII SS said they look very plain and unagressive.

Dude, if you're SOOOOO over the VE hype, why are you in a VE thread? Seems to me, you're actually not over it.........

[70caprigt3k]

Originally Posted by Wezza

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So, some of you say the VE looks like a Falcon, then some people say heaven forbid if Ford bring anything out like this? Hmmmm.......

Why can't people just learn to appreciate a car without badge blindness? It is so refreshing to see some forumers who are Ford fans but can appreciate a nice Holden when they see it or vice versa.

Its not badge blindness, it could be a ford, nissan, toyota, bentley or a lada hell you could wack a hino badge on the thing and it would still be ugly because it is a cheap and tacky looking ugly car. How dare hsv soil the e-series name with this crap.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Wezza

Dude, if you're SOOOOO over the VE hype, why are you in a VE thread? Seems to me, you're actually not over it.........

Well if your such a fan why arn't you on LS1 talking about it in there 30 differn't threads on it, it's a ford fan site, im a ford fan.

I did originally come on here to post up some more neutral opinions of what i thought of the VE in the flesh, untill the AU bagging started again for the...Hrrm...8th year in a row it's getting more than a little old.

[VQST80]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Man im sick of the AU Bashing :

Here we are looking at HSV's latest which looks like a riced up Audi gone wrong and the best you can do is jump back to the AU a car released in 1998, well it's present day and GM Billion doller baby looks like a joke and BF Falcon Kills it for looks, if you Holden fans cared so much about handling and refinement you would have bought an AU over the VT/VX Models.

Im So over this VE hype it's not funny and yes i have gone to look at them in the flesh and evan my holden loving mate that drives a Bolt on + Tune VYII SS said they look very plain and unagressive.

The car is actually a vehicle that is going all over the world, Not just here.
It is the primary GM rear wheel drive chassis.

Must be doing something right if the most succesfull car company trusts/wants you to design/build a global vehicle,

smart move by Gm by having faith in Australian Designers..

[NC 5ltr]

Originally Posted by VQST80

smart move by Gm by having faith in Australian Designers..

took GM long enough to find the faith though....

[fiery]

I actually don't mind the look of it to be honest :

I think I must be a ricer at heart as I like the tail lights even :

Mind you.. it does grate big time calling it an E-Series :jab:

I can honestly say I don't particularly like big wings on any car - leave them for the planes!! (that includes Fords)... I think they ruin the look of them.. a nice in close to the body wing looks nice in my opinion... YES I did say IMO :

[DABOSS]

Love it or Hate thats the question, But it will be a quick car , Might be the first locally made car to do a sub 12sec 1/4 run I think.

I might jump ship if it is. :eclipsee_

[VQST80]

I guess those darn yanks are just so stuborn..

The FPV6 would probably do well over there.

[NC 5ltr]

Originally Posted by DABOSS

Love it or Hate thats the question, But it will be a quick car , Might be the first locally made car to do a sub 12sec 1/4 run I think.

I might jump ship if it is. :eclipsee_

Daboss.....Im sure you ment sub 13sec quarter...am i right? :Reverend:

[DABOSS]

Originally Posted by NC 5ltr

Daboss.....Im sure you ment sub 13sec quarter...am i right? :Reverend:

4.9 to 100 high 12 bro thats what I'm tipping.

[NC 5ltr]

Originally Posted by DABOSS

4.9 to 100 high 12 bro thats what I'm tipping.

oh ok...i thought you were talking about sub 12's alla 11.9 or something

[jimt3te50]

As a CAR ENTHUSIAST and a devoted Ford FAN I can live with my choices and respect that the car HSV has delivered would have fulfilled all the things I personally would have like to have seen FPV do by now.

They have huge brakes
They have wider wheels
They have more power
They have addressed the suspension in a major way

And in doing this all, they have tried to come up with a more modern, refined image. You have to acknowledge that every new model has things going for it the previous did not- that's a given, but they also have compromises on smaller items that get overlooked to keep costs down- a great example could well be door trims from AU to BA......

LED tail lights, a nice dash lighting arrangement, a modern Euro-inspired interior all look to me like a winning combination. And they've kept the kerb weight down as much as possible.

Whilst there are some things that are over the top and not to everyone's tastes, there is not ONE perfect car in the world- otherwise there would only be one model of car available.

I take my hat off to HSV- they appear to have delivered the things I wanted to see them do anyway.

But, of course I'm devoid of any taste whatsoever- I drive an AU, what would I know about cars?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Kachow

the huge wing on the back of the FPV's is very wrx, very try hard too :yeees:

That wing was inspired by the wings that have been used on the Falcon V8 Supercars way back from the beginning of the SATCC Days (Circa 92-93 IIRC)

Last time I checked, that was before STi WRX...

[70caprigt3k]

Originally Posted by jimt3te50

But, of course I'm devoid of any taste whatsoever- I drive an AU, what would I know about cars?

You dont have to know about cars, you drive a rocketship :hihi:

But your right, its not going to cater to everyones tastes, we are all different its a love it or hate it situation for the new hsv i spose. either one or the other.

[snypereb]

I saw one of these today it must be the ugliest holden so far what were they thinking with those taillights? Oh well ford sales will go up thats a bonus!!

[Wezza]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Well if your such a fan why arn't you on LS1 talking about it in there 30 differn't threads on it, it's a ford fan site, im a ford fan.

Wow, touchy touchy!! You must have been over at LS1 checking it out as well then huh?? :

Oh BTW, there are threads about Fords as LS1 as well, so it works both ways mate. I don't mind, i always love to see what Ford and Holden have in store for each other when one brings a new model out.

[Wezza]

Originally Posted by jimt3te50

As a CAR ENTHUSIAST and a devoted Ford FAN I can live with my choices and respect that the car HSV has delivered would have fulfilled all the things I personally would have like to have seen FPV do by now.

They have huge brakes
They have wider wheels
They have more power
They have addressed the suspension in a major way

And in doing this all, they have tried to come up with a more modern, refined image. You have to acknowledge that every new model has things going for it the previous did not- that's a given, but they also have compromises on smaller items that get overlooked to keep costs down- a great example could well be door trims from AU to BA......

LED tail lights, a nice dash lighting arrangement, a modern Euro-inspired interior all look to me like a winning combination. And they've kept the kerb weight down as much as possible.

Whilst there are some things that are over the top and not to everyone's tastes, there is not ONE perfect car in the world- otherwise there would only be one model of car available.

I take my hat off to HSV- they appear to have delivered the things I wanted to see them do anyway.

But, of course I'm devoid of any taste whatsoever- I drive an AU, what would I know about cars?

Now that my friend, is a very well worded post. Nice!!

[ltd]

Sorry to the VE fans here but GTS is a really bad name ever since Victa brought out the GTS; Guaranteed To Start mower.

As for what HSV have done, I'll wait to see them in the flesh because they don't really do anything for me.

[killer_taxi]

Originally Posted by Boss 290

i will say obe thing though...the amount of weight gained on thes new cars is no big deal coz they are still lighter then the fords.

You must remember that those weight figures that have been supplied are in Tare mass, not Kerb mass!

TARE MASS - mass of a vehicle other than a L-group vehicle ready for service, unoccupied and unladen, with all fluid reservoirs filled to nominal capacity except for fuel, that shall be 10 litres only, and with all standard equipment and any options fitted.

KERB MASS - see Unladen Mass

… ok…

UNLADEN MASS - the mass of the vehicle in running order unoccupied and unladen with all fluid reservoirs filled to nominal capacity including fuel, and with all standard equipment.

A Typhoon weighs 1805kg in Kerb, and the GT weighs 1855kg Kerb.

Tare mass for Clubsport R8 1760kg, GTS 1777kg, and Senator 1792kg.

When looking at those figures, the Typhoon should now be the lightest car out of the HSV's and FPV's (apart from the Astra VXR), when adding that extra weight of fuel.

It's funny how HSV are now using these new measurements; DIN and Tare. Are they trying to hide something? lol

[killer_taxi]

As we know now, the power claims for the new HSV’s are 307kW @ 6000rpm and 550Nm @ 4400rpm. The interesting thing about these specs is that the LS2 V8 has actually not gained any power (for kW). The 297kW specification was done in ECE for the VZ. The power figures are now done in DIN like FPV do. So the DIN for the VZ HSV range was 305kW. So to HSV's specifications, the VE range has only gained 2kW. However, the power gain was done by using 98 RON PULP, they used 95 RON PULP for the HSV VZ power figures. So any benefits in performance will come down to how good the gearbox and drive train are in the new VE.

[jimt3te50]

I struggle to see some of the reasoning in some people posts- at the end of the day a brand only resembles the collaborative efforts of the company the designers, engineers, market analysts etc all work for. A model is a direct product of the goal they are all working for- to create a unique car with mass appeal.

HSV have obviously been listening to what people want.

In a fluke of genious FPV took a punt with the turbo 6- I would NEVER take that away from them, that was a very bold move and it's paid off. HSV's customers won't flock at the notion of a FI 6 cylinder so the V8 can be the only comparison reasonably able to be drawn from the two HSV and FPV products........

How some of you guys can say Ford's gonna sell tons more cars if that's the option is so one-eyed it's not funny- have you really looked at what the car is offering?

I think a lot of my thoughts could well be drawn from my justification from buying the AU- it was a better car, on paper, in testing, in an age of public and journo Holden-biased opinions the AU still came up trumps over the equivalent HSV of the time. I'm really sorry to say- but that HSV is going to kill FPV's at their V8 level, which technically should be the pinnacle of FPV engineeering- the legendary, flagship- the GT. The last comment I would ever be making about the VE HSV is that they are handing sales to FPV, that's ridiculous- the fact it's a brand new model will almost be enough to have people flocking, as it always does.

This argument is like space and has no end, so I will reinstate my opinion that I believe HSV look to have given a great all-round package. Well done.

Looks aren't everything.

[Steve]

Everyone that knows me, knows I bleed blue but come trade up time, the only thing keeping me out of an HSV will be pride. The question for me is, will HSV convince me to swollow my Ford pride that's been there a lifetime or will FPV produce something that'll knock my socks off? No, I can't see myself in a 6 cylinder.

[jimt3te50]

Originally Posted by Steve

Everyone that knows me, knows I bleed blue but come trade up time, the only thing keeping me out of an HSV will be pride. The question for me is, will HSV convince me to swollow my Ford pride that's been there a lifetime or will FPV produce something that'll knock my socks off? No, I can't see myself in a 6 cylinder.

And there it is- the meaning of life right there.

There isn't a bigger Ford fan than the one that bought an AU.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by jimt3te50

And there it is- the meaning of life right there.

There isn't a bigger Ford fan than the one that bought an AU.

Is the new HSV enough to temp you?