Billion Dollar Baby

[ltd]

It looks good from some angles however, I wait to see what the fleets do with it. Could be good for them but it could also break Holden too.
Was one long infomercial.
Also, did anyone else notice how similar the caprice's back end looked to the BA LWB when they smashed the glass panels?

Finally, they must be desperate when they drag has-been's like Peter Brock out. Yes, he may have won a race or two but he is still a loser.
I had to drive him from Darling Harbour to the airport in 1995 after a youth outlook thing that he was a speaker at. As I was giving my time free as well as car and petrol all of the other speakers where most appreciative. Anyway, after returning Michael Pope and his wife to the Renaissance, I had to go back and pick up Peter Brock. When I arrived at the service entrance to harbourside he refused to get into the car because it was a Ford, and he wasn't supposed to be seen in one. He and his manager then proceeded to call my car a heap of **** ford (it was a 1994 DC LTD), so i gently reminded him that nobody thinks he is so special, and that he and his mother have shared carnal relations, also, that he wasn't king of the mountain rather that he was king of the C%@$ S*&%^$#

To top it off, I told him to catch a taxi; which was of course a Ford. When he finally got in to the taxi I took a Polaroid of him in a ford. If looks could kill.

Bit of a long spiel but that's the reason I can't stand the bloke, and for him to tell me that Holden is the best only serves to make me think otherwise.
GO away HOLDEN

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by ltd

It looks good from some angles however, I wait to see what the fleets do with it. Could be good for them but it could also break Holden too.
Was one long infomercial.
Also, did anyone else notice how similar the caprice's back end looked to the BA LWB when they smashed the glass panels?

Finally, they must be desperate when they drag has-been's like Peter Brock out. Yes, he may have won a race or two but he is still a loser.
I had to drive him from Darling Harbour to the airport in 1995 after a youth outlook thing that he was a speaker at. As I was giving my time free as well as car and petrol all of the other speakers where most appreciative. Anyway, after returning Michael Pope and his wife to the Renaissance, I had to go back and pick up Peter Brock. When I arrived at the service entrance to harbourside he refused to get into the car because it was a Ford, and he wasn't supposed to be seen in one. He and his manager then proceeded to call my car a heap of **** ford (it was a 1994 DC LTD), so i gently reminded him that nobody thinks he is so special, and that he and his mother have shared carnal relations, also, that he wasn't king of the mountain rather that he was king of the C%@$ S*&%^$#

To top it off, I told him to catch a taxi; which was of course a Ford. When he finally got in to the taxi I took a Polaroid of him in a ford. If looks could kill.

Bit of a long spiel but that's the reason I can't stand the bloke, and for him to tell me that Holden is the best only serves to make me think otherwise.
GO away HOLDEN

Pretty hypocritical of him, since he drove the Ford Sierras, in the late 80s and made a few Brock Falcons.

Other then that, your comeback was hilarious. lol

[Dilan]

there may be a torrent on www.mininova.org :

[SSBUB]

Originally Posted by ltd

It looks good from some angles however, I wait to see what the fleets do with it. Could be good for them but it could also break Holden too.
Was one long infomercial.
Also, did anyone else notice how similar the caprice's back end looked to the BA LWB when they smashed the glass panels?

Finally, they must be desperate when they drag has-been's like Peter Brock out. Yes, he may have won a race or two but he is still a loser.
I had to drive him from Darling Harbour to the airport in 1995 after a youth outlook thing that he was a speaker at. As I was giving my time free as well as car and petrol all of the other speakers where most appreciative. Anyway, after returning Michael Pope and his wife to the Renaissance, I had to go back and pick up Peter Brock. When I arrived at the service entrance to harbourside he refused to get into the car because it was a Ford, and he wasn't supposed to be seen in one. He and his manager then proceeded to call my car a heap of **** ford (it was a 1994 DC LTD), so i gently reminded him that nobody thinks he is so special, and that he and his mother have shared carnal relations, also, that he wasn't king of the mountain rather that he was king of the C%@$ S*&%^$#

To top it off, I told him to catch a taxi; which was of course a Ford. When he finally got in to the taxi I took a Polaroid of him in a ford. If looks could kill.

Bit of a long spiel but that's the reason I can't stand the bloke, and for him to tell me that Holden is the best only serves to make me think otherwise.
GO away HOLDEN

gold, gold hahaha, post the pic!

[Genghis]

Always interesting to watch the development of a new car and the work that is put in to get it to the showrooms.

The show was a little heavy on how fantastic the car is, but it wasn't put together by an independent production company I don't think.

Marketing equals Sales and Sales equals money in the bank!

Nice car though and something for Ford to better with the 'Orion'.

[Bossxr8]

I don't think they mentioned 1 billion dollars enough. Once every 2 minutes isn't really trying. sleep: The ads a fair crock too, saying the competition is still in the stone age. I'd say the BF2 and Aurion are more technically advanced than the VE. I think pushrods are the most stone age tech used in an Australian built car. Ford had multi link IRS and DSC before Holden did too. But we all know Holden love to make false claims.

[Full Spectrum]

I was right on the other thread 2 words.
Care to refresh the memory banks when did ford and holden both use IRS and DSC ESP again?.




XRDRIFT Sorry i was wrong about the ESP thing. It was 30min into it so you must have watched 2min here and there over the 1 hour.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I don't think they mentioned 1 billion dollars enough. Once every 2 minutes isn't really trying. sleep: The ads a fair crock too, saying the competition is still in the stone age. I'd say the BF2 and Aurion are more technically advanced than the VE. I think pushrods are the most stone age tech used in an Australian built car. Ford had multi link IRS and DSC before Holden did too. But we all know Holden love to make false claims.

I have never read one piece of sensible constructive critisism from you. You just persist with your childish anti-Holden drivel, blindly bagging them just for the sake of it. Do you suffer from some sort of inferiority complex or something?

[vztrt]

A mate of mine watched it (he dosn't care much for cars) and said it was such a cheap marketing stunt, with the words "it's a great car" getting said every two minutes.

I didn't watch it as I thought thats what it was gonna be.

[Bobman]

Regardless of if it was a marketing stunt or not, it was good to see the production of a car on TV for everyone to see & all things that are involved.

They seem to have better quality control than Ford, with their diff testing, panel gaps etc. Where's the comfort for BA owners

I have no doubt the next model Falcon will be twice as good as the BF and miles ahead of the VE, but both cars are neck in neck these days.

[outback_ute]

Originally Posted by rushing on acid

fords platform is still the same from xa/xb, they have only done minor changes to it (suspension pick up points etc)

BS - while the Falcon platform has always been a case of evolution, I think there is now nothing in common with those days, the entire rear end floorpan was revised for XE coil rear end and again with the BA, and the front end, not just the suspension, was changed completely for EA (as seen by XH ute front ends being different from XG). Obviously the AU was different again.

I only caught a short bit of the program, it would have been interesting to see the design & development process.

[Full Spectrum]

It was amazing to see what goes into a engine when they don't even build it here they import it over and yet they were doing countless hours of development on it.

[uranium_death]

It was an infomercial. The fact that Skaifie co-hosted says something already.

But Holden deserves credit for at least having the nous to have a TV documentary on the VE. Increased exposure. Even those that don't care about cars in general can see the work that went in.

Externally, the Holden has a far more modern design than the BF so they are not neck and neck in that regard. But I still prefer the look of the BF, although it may be outdated.
But mechanically I reckon the Ford still shows a lot of pride and the Orion will prove a point -positive or negative.

[Nappa]

did anyone notice that when Mark Skaife was talking about the VT Commordore they used to test the suspension and chassis, the car was actually a VX. It may have been a bits and peices car but it had VX heaplamps and tail lamps.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by Nappa

did anyone notice that when Mark Skaife was talking about the VT Commordore they used to test the suspension and chassis, the car was actually a VX. It may have been a bits and peices car but it had VX heaplamps and tail lamps.

Yeah, car manufacturer's often use current body shape's for testing parts or engines, transmissions etc from the next model, known as test mules ;)

So no-one would suspect anything when they are out testing in the real world.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Bobman

They seem to have better quality control than Ford, with their diff testing, panel gaps etc. Where's the comfort for BA owners

I would have like to see this bit and at least compare, cause Ford actually does have these testing features in place.

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by vztrt

I would have like to see this bit and at least compare, cause Ford actually does have these testing features in place.

I like the way the word "actually" cropped up in that sentence

[mickey t]

Originally Posted by XzLr8

weird cause motor is holden biased and wheels is ford biased.

you reckon?

Geez you people amuse me...

[XAGSV8]

Getting sick of people on this forum and on LS1 making crappy claims like that when a review does not go the way of their chosen brand.

[XA-Coupe]

Originally Posted by GSWXA

Getting sick of people on this forum and on LS1 making crappy claims like that when a review does not go the way of their chosen brand.

yep, I don't even bother commenting on it any more.

[mickey t]

Originally Posted by ltd

It looks good from some angles however, I wait to see what the fleets do with it. Could be good for them but it could also break Holden too.
Was one long infomercial.
Also, did anyone else notice how similar the caprice's back end looked to the BA LWB when they smashed the glass panels?

Finally, they must be desperate when they drag has-been's like Peter Brock out. Yes, he may have won a race or two but he is still a loser.
I had to drive him from Darling Harbour to the airport in 1995 after a youth outlook thing that he was a speaker at. As I was giving my time free as well as car and petrol all of the other speakers where most appreciative. Anyway, after returning Michael Pope and his wife to the Renaissance, I had to go back and pick up Peter Brock. When I arrived at the service entrance to harbourside he refused to get into the car because it was a Ford, and he wasn't supposed to be seen in one. He and his manager then proceeded to call my car a heap of **** ford (it was a 1994 DC LTD), so i gently reminded him that nobody thinks he is so special, and that he and his mother have shared carnal relations, also, that he wasn't king of the mountain rather that he was king of the C%@$ S*&%^$#

To top it off, I told him to catch a taxi; which was of course a Ford. When he finally got in to the taxi I took a Polaroid of him in a ford. If looks could kill.

Bit of a long spiel but that's the reason I can't stand the bloke, and for him to tell me that Holden is the best only serves to make me think otherwise.
GO away HOLDEN

I think you'll find every driver contracted by Holden is technically banned from using Ford products. Certainly skaife, murf, mcconville and the kellys are. brock almost certainly is, too

[MO]

Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

yep, I don't even bother commenting on it any more.

Time for the Lockwood...maybe???

[ARYAN]

My thoughts about the new Holdens..
Well they looked very nice to me..the front is aggressive..the back is ok but the spoiler is not nice..the car looks better without the spoiler..Also the new Holden looks more compact..It looks like an Audi almost..More European looking..Something I liked is the huge choice of wheels..they even offer 20" wheels..well ford fairmont ghia..you can only get 17" wheels..Ford has to offer more..this car(Holden) would sell anywhere on world if they wanted to..

[ltd]

Originally Posted by mickey t

I think you'll find every driver contracted by Holden is technically banned from using Ford products. Certainly skaife, murf, mcconville and the kellys are. brock almost certainly is, too

Was he even contracted to Holden at the time? His earlier speech indicated no.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by ltd
It looks good from some angles however, I wait to see what the fleets do with it. Could be good for them but it could also break Holden too.
Was one long infomercial.
Also, did anyone else notice how similar the caprice's back end looked to the BA LWB when they smashed the glass panels?

Finally, they must be desperate when they drag has-been's like Peter Brock out. Yes, he may have won a race or two but he is still a loser.
I had to drive him from Darling Harbour to the airport in 1995 after a youth outlook thing that he was a speaker at. As I was giving my time free as well as car and petrol all of the other speakers where most appreciative. Anyway, after returning Michael Pope and his wife to the Renaissance, I had to go back and pick up Peter Brock. When I arrived at the service entrance to harbourside he refused to get into the car because it was a Ford, and he wasn't supposed to be seen in one. He and his manager then proceeded to call my car a heap of **** ford (it was a 1994 DC LTD), so i gently reminded him that nobody thinks he is so special, and that he and his mother have shared carnal relations, also, that he wasn't king of the mountain rather that he was king of the C%@$ S*&%^$#

To top it off, I told him to catch a taxi; which was of course a Ford. When he finally got in to the taxi I took a Polaroid of him in a ford. If looks could kill.

Bit of a long spiel but that's the reason I can't stand the bloke, and for him to tell me that Holden is the best only serves to make me think otherwise.
GO away HOLDEN

Seems it's definately a Holden syndrome.

He thinks he owns the race track, and it seems this attitude translates to public roads...

I had to give way to Mr Skaife (and his missus) over the weekend while he was pushing a pram across a main rd, while I (and all other road traffic) had the green lights (and arrow) and he had the RED man... who does he think he is??? Putting their baby at risk like that is unforgivable. Couldn't care less about him now. It was as if everybody in their cars should know who he is with his HSV merchandise plastered all over him, and to stop in our tracks to make way for them. Unbelievable.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

the VE spoiler looks like a kid with his cap on backwards bolted it on there.

Taking into consideration it is built in Elizabeth...

Chances are it proberbly was!!

[Abacus]

Originally Posted by ltd

Was he even contracted to Holden at the time? His earlier speech indicated no.

Maybe the real reason was he thought his life was in danger because you didn't have a polariser LOL...

[K_Man]

Originally Posted by ltd

Was he even contracted to Holden at the time? His earlier speech indicated no.

I'd say so, he went to HRT in 93 until he retired IIRC. Pretty inexcusable attitude for someone who stooped so low as to slap his name on a Lada. Dark times for the king of the mountain indeed. Nevertheless, still my favourite racer.

I'm quite a fan of the new VE, especially the SS, and the new HSV in gunmetal looks horn. Just a shame the Omega looks so odd and awkward on the road, that's what the majority sold are gonna be.

[uranium_death]

There are many people who are turds.

Nathan Buckley is apparently a turd.
I've heard too many stories about Eddie McGuire being a ****.
Footballers punching in pubs, peeing on women's legs.

Fact is that they are just human beings with a bevy of fans willing to kiss their soiled **** cheeks just for a photo.

It's life. They'll sit in their Toorak mansions and drink red wine while they watch skags like us go to work everyday, grind our ***** for our 30-50k and return home to our crapshacks.

It sucks. But let's rejoice. We have FF. What does Brock have?
He doesn't have FF. Don't worry. He'll probably come grovelling soon. We'll welcome him too, won't we?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by stevz

I have never read one piece of sensible constructive critisism from you. You just persist with your childish anti-Holden drivel, blindly bagging them just for the sake of it. Do you suffer from some sort of inferiority complex or something?

Favouring Fords on a ford forum, how stupid of me. I just don't like the way Holden BS the general public with smoke and mirrors. Despite what some of you Holden trolls believe the VE is not the greatest car in the world. Sure, they have moved forward quite well but they are only just catching up to where the BA was 4 years ago.

Try to stop being so touchy, you're on a ford site, what do you really expect. I stay away from Holden sites for that very reason.