Petrol Price crisis...... - Page 30

hayseed · 16-09-2019, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It'd be like someone taking out 50% of Australia's mining exports with a few thousand bucks worth of equipment.

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One runaway Train put a bit of a dent In It, Late Last year..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...n-bhp/10737426

Sprintey · 16-09-2019, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by johntolhurst

The other fuel is electrons. More electric cars, less demand for fuel, price effect is down. So the analysis says. So we should be encouraging people to go that way if it suits them.

yes John every bit will help. As will hybrids which can approx 1/2 the consumption of a petrol car.

Also there's Fischer Tropsch process - place one plant in Gippsland, one in the Hunter Valley and one in the Bowen basin, that should help keep diesel truck fleet running if it comes to it. One at Collie too? Thanks to the AFF member who informed me there used to be a plant in Gippsland in times past

Whitey-AMG · 16-09-2019, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Pretty funny how a bunch of militia managed to cripple 50% of a countries oil refining capability with a few drones.

It'd be like someone taking out 50% of Australia's mining exports with a few thousand bucks worth of equipment.

Get your **** together Saudi Arabia and maybe less concern about women not being covered head to toe and more protection of oil refinery.

I don't think these drones are your run of the mill Harvey Norman / JAYCAR / Kmart toy drones.
These are medium sized military spec drones firing Badr-1 short-range ballistic missiles. News reports state @ 10 drones were used.
Just a little bit more than a few thousand bucks of equipment I reckon......

Either way, its bad news at the pump and will cost each household with multiple cars more than a couple of grand extra each year to keep our gas guzzlers on the road.

Bossxr8 · 16-09-2019, 03:18 PM

And stuff like this is the reason our government needs to get it's head out of it's **** and fulfill it's obligation to have 90 days of fuel supply available at any time, and not the 30 we have at the moment. Idiots.

Whitey-AMG · 16-09-2019, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And stuff like this is the reason our government needs to get it's head out of it's **** and fulfill it's obligation to have 90 days of fuel supply available at any time, and not the 30 we have at the moment. Idiots.

Because we are a short sighted , lazy, reactive culture that lets GOVCO and minority groups get away with everything.....
Pull out your wallet, bend over and take it culture.

kmav23 · 16-09-2019, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Pretty funny how a bunch of militia managed to cripple 50% of a countries oil refining capability with a few drones.

It'd be like someone taking out 50% of Australia's mining exports with a few thousand bucks worth of equipment.

Get your **** together Saudi Arabia and maybe less concern about women not being covered head to toe and more protection of oil refinery.

Drones are hard to defend against.

We cant stop drugs being imported into Australia, America and prisons.

Franco Cozzo · 16-09-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

Drones are hard to defend against.

We cant stop drugs being imported into Australia, America and prisons.

I'm sure that between Saudi Arabia's allies (Australia, UK and USA) we could figure out a way to defend our supply of oil.

kmav23 · 16-09-2019, 06:18 PM

Another reason for Australia and the world to move to EVs for cars and all transportation.

Energy independent, produce your own electricity via solar wind etc...

Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore want to install solar in Northern Australia and use this for their grid.

Citroënbender · 16-09-2019, 06:23 PM

I believe the Australian designed “drone gun” is well into refinement stages.

Shame it will likely be restricted once on the market, little grubs around my way have been pestering people with their flying toys again.

hayseed · 16-09-2019, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And stuff like this is the reason our government needs to get it's head out of it's **** and fulfill it's obligation to have 90 days of fuel supply available at any time, and not the 30 we have at the moment. Idiots.

Yet the pump price will go up before the 30 day Mark..

cheap · 16-09-2019, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And stuff like this is the reason our government needs to get it's head out of it's **** and fulfill it's obligation to have 90 days of fuel supply available at any time, and not the 30 we have at the moment. Idiots.

Why not use the bountiful reserves of fuel energy we have been gifted in the great big land? There is literally no need to import fossil fuel, we have an abundance of fuel stock the envy of most of the planet.

I can not think of any other country that is so incompetent that it doesn't use its resources like Australia - total failure of leadership for many many many years!

Sprintey · 16-09-2019, 11:37 PM

Came across this post to make all of us envious, the Iranians have busted a tanker smuggling diesel out from Iran to Qatar, the reason they do it is the large arbitrage profit available:

"This has nothing to do with sanctions, or at least not with US/UN sanctions on Iran.

Iranians can buy petrol/diesel at a discount for personal use.

The 250.000 liter of diesel can be bought in Iran for $22.5k and can be sold in Qatar for $127k.

Diesel in Iran is sold for USD 0.09/liter, 0.341/gallon. Qatar is a short distance, there diesel sells for USD 0.508/liter 1.923/gallon."

Hahaha, how about the prices we pay!!!

Sprintey · 16-09-2019, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap

Why not use the bountiful reserves of fuel energy we have been gifted in the great big land? There is literally no need to import fossil fuel, we have an abundance of fuel stock the envy of most of the planet.

I can not think of any other country that is so incompetent that it doesn't use its resources like Australia - total failure of leadership for many many many years!

Don't worry we're about to get a gentle reminder about energy sovereignty.

roKWiz · 17-09-2019, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

Another reason for Australia and the world to move to EVs for cars and all transportation.

Energy independent, produce your own electricity via solar wind etc...

Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore want to install solar in Northern Australia and use this for their grid.

Then we would be fighting over other rare materials found in battery construction.
Not to mention water.

hayseed · 17-09-2019, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Then we would be fighting over other rare materials found in battery construction.
Not to mention water.

They're Fighting over Water Already,

Whitey-AMG · 17-09-2019, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Then we would be fighting over other rare materials found in battery construction.
Not to mention water.

There are various geographies for mass stores for Lithium. Thankfully, none are in the Middle East. LOL.
Most of the known lithium supply is in Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Australia and China.

The biggest issue will be China flooding the market with cheap LiIon batteries and taking control of the segment , as they currently do with Solar panels. If our dependency on Electric vehicles becomes large enough , then China will play a dominant role in Supply and demand , they currently manufacture @ 75% of the worlds batteries. The USA / China trade war is likely to become the new "middle east" power crisis.

Sprintey · 17-09-2019, 03:29 PM

That just makes powering Australia's cars on CNG, which we have a huge amount of, even better sense.

kmav23 · 17-09-2019, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

That just makes powering Australia's cars on CNG, which we have a huge amount of, even better sense.

Natural gas is more expensive, complicated and not practical.

There is a reason why the world is moving to EVs instead.

Electrification of everything is happening now.

You can decide on your source of power.

kmav23 · 17-09-2019, 03:57 PM

[B]https://reneweconomy.com.au/5b-plans...stralia-61336/

roKWiz · 17-09-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

That just makes powering Australia's cars on CNG, which we have a huge amount of, even better sense.

Isn't that produced by fracking.

**GasoLane** · 17-09-2019, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kmav23

[B]https://reneweconomy.com.au/5b-plans...stralia-61336/

It would be appreciated if you could keep your Electric/Solar posts confined to the Tesla thread please.

johntolhurst · 17-09-2019, 05:56 PM

We run the couple of falcons in our family they're old and we don't do many kilometres. So we got a track the petrol prices you look for the best deal. Good I think we'll keep them because in the coming years I don't expect to be too worried about high fuel prices. I expect other fuels will reduce the demand and a small reduction of demand will mean a big reduction in price. That's the ogic for us.

To argue that other fuels like electricity or cng or whatever isn't related to petrol prices is a nonsense. As I see it.

**data_mine** · 17-09-2019, 06:17 PM

filled up today, expecting to be raped on the price. nope, same price as it was last week.

johntolhurst · 17-09-2019, 06:28 PM

FuelWatch people are saying its going to take 10 days for the price jump to work it's way down the supply chain to the fuel pump.

LeadFoot81 · 17-09-2019, 07:08 PM

Already 1.71 in Southern VIC, might be pushing $2 soon?

**data_mine** · 17-09-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by johntolhurst

FuelWatch people are saying its going to take 10 days for the price jump to work it's way down the supply chain to the fuel pump.

in what fantasy land is that?

history has shown jumps in oil prices appear at the pumps in about 30 seconds, while reductions in oil prices take 30 days.

**GO FURTHER** · 17-09-2019, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by johntolhurst

FuelWatch people are saying its going to take 10 days for the price jump to work it's way down the supply chain to the fuel pump.

Hmm... Amazing how quick prices can rise when its a long weekend, Easter or holidays.

I would have thought, a reduction of 5% in the world daily oil supply, and 50% of Saudi's oil production offline at the moment , would be the perfect excuse to raise pump prices locally.

johntolhurst · 17-09-2019, 08:48 PM

Well what are you going to do, take a wild *** guess or see what comes out of them mouth of the person who watches it for a living? I don't know that he's right but you don't know that he's wrong.

Franco Cozzo · 17-09-2019, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Already 1.71 in Southern VIC, might be pushing $2 soon?

Still $1.50-odd for 98 here at the moment in Boganistan central Vic.

Itsme · 17-09-2019, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Still $1.50-odd for 98 here at the moment in Boganistan central Vic.

Geez they are ripping you, $1.26 here in good ol Hoppers Crossing.
That is for regular unleaded for my old girl which runs quite well....lol