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[T3rminator]

Some people trying to cause mischief with semantics about COVID-19 ‘elimination’: WA Premier

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...9c7a8179930ffd

“It’s offensive, it was never about elimination. We know we can’t eliminate it. It’s suppression, it’s about no community transmission,” Mr Barilaro told 2GB radio on Tuesday.
But Mr McGowan said Mr Barilaro should “calm down”.
“The aim is to ensure there is no virus in the community — that is the national cabinet agreed position,” the Premier told reporters.
“I use the phrase ‘eliminate it in the community’, other people use the phrase ‘suppress it in the community’ but the aim is get rid of it in the community.
“This is all just semantics as to whether the appropriate word is elimination or suppression. My view is if the virus is in the community you kill it.
“NSW seems to think its OK to have the virus ticking along in the community and you just deal with it in individual suburbs.”
Asked if he would accept there was some confusion about the pandemic strategy due to semantics, Mr McGowan said: “I think this is people trying to cause mischief.”

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The more I hear from this guy the more I like him

[Jack91]

Just watched 'Contagion' on netflix with the mrs. Movie was ok, but very surprising how accurate it is to covid, especially with it being 10 years old.
Morpheus is in it too so you know he knows whats up.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by cs123

image

CDC have a dashboard that you can use to view the data

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#dashboard

This is a nice picture and all, but it is not based on raw data, mine is based on their raw data.



If anyone thinks Coronavirus should be compared to an average of the last 5 years I can do that on raw data.
But to say the lat year is average is a tad crazier than me.
I reckon comparing to a known bad flu year makes the most sense.
I did not save the chart, but comparing total deaths ytd to the last 5 year average pushed the difference up 2-3%

[EgoFG]

Here is 2020 v 2018 vs Av(2015, 2016, 2017, 2019)
Again - Raw data from CDC, no estimations, no population/demographics modification
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aqdnqjxoo-fIzNsE...ZmtjA?e=i3lFOn(Sorry one day I'll figure how to add a onedrive image)

[T3rminator]

What not to do with your masks....

https://twitter.com/i/status/1348135904188141578

Hope there was a bit of "mopping up" done beforehand.

Originally Posted by Jack91

Just watched 'Contagion' on netflix with the mrs. Movie was ok, but very surprising how accurate it is to covid, especially with it being 10 years old.
Morpheus is in it too so you know he knows whats up.

Yep noticed it too. It is strikingly similar if you compare to the story line in the US, almost like real life being scripted. The part that got me was the arrest of the nutty "journalist" who was trying to sell the miracle cure. It is exactly what happened to Alex Jones earlier on in the pandemic.
Marshall law next, coincidence with next week?
Vaccine by birth date lottery is an interesting concept.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What not to do with your masks.... Hope there was a bit of "mopping up" done beforehand.

How stupid is iy that those setting some example still don't have their **** together on sending the right message.

No talk on what masks work best, how to fit and manage them

Originally Posted by Jack91

Just watched 'Contagion' on netflix with the mrs. Movie was ok, but very surprising how accurate it is to covid, especially with it being 10 years old.
Morpheus is in it too so you know he knows whats up.

Contagion was legit based on advice from epidemiologists so that it'd be a reasonably true reflection of an outbreak.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-occur/244916/

An Epidemiologist on 'Contagion': This Will Almost Certainly Occur

Despite these disappointments, Contagion hits much more often than it misses. The science is uncannily true, with rare exceptions. An epidemic like the one described in the film will almost certainly occur, though we can't predict the details. The notion that an agent like Nipah virus, a pathogen shared by bats, pigs, and humans and presumably the model for the virus in the movie, will break out of its niche and cause widespread disease is very believable.

That article is from 2011.

[FairmontGS]

Minister defends tennis influx as Victorians remain locked out of state

Victoria's Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville has defended the government's decision to allow 1200 people into the state for the Australian Open, while thousands of Australians remain stranded overseas and Melburnians are banned from returning home from Sydney and Brisbane.

Ms Neville also apologised for delays with the government's new 'traffic light' permit system for travellers seeking to enter Victoria.

Ms Neville was the second senior minister forced to address the overnight border permit blunder, with Health Minister Martin Foley also apologising on Tuesday morning to Victorians who faced delays with the new system that is aimed at preventing domestic travellers from spreading coronavirus.

"Yes, last night was terrible and apologies to everyone who was frustrated, held up," Ms Neville said.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...12-p56tdn.html

[Polyal]

hmm its not a good look but a hard balance, if we cancel all entertainment events full stop then all the people locked down or just generally depressed will get worse.

But the visuals of it are not great.

[Citroënbender]

I find a blithe double-standard more depressing than a collective burden.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Polyal

hmm its not a good look but a hard balance, if we cancel all entertainment events full stop then all the people locked down or just generally depressed will get worse.

But the visuals of it are not great.

I much prefer this to a politician grand standing saying "1 rule for all".

Life has to go on, in all likelihood we have another 2 years before life will be normal. Everyone is not equal or in the same position. It is a fact and people need to get over it. Doctors, nurses, logistics and food services must obviously go on. But so must some form of entertainment for the masses. For the tennis Vic Gov have a comprehensive system in place to quarantine all involved from the community. I don't think we will see the winner being able to do a Jim Courier and run down to jump in the Yarra.

I'm a bit over people upset about self funded quarantine (still monitored, and it actually means we don't take up spaces for returned Aussies) and other entertainment being allowed with special provisions. Without it, we would be way worse off, economically and mentally.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 12th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

19 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.175%. NSW recorded 16 cases, Queensland 1 and WA recorded 1.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.125% and active cases 72.

The UK had 45,533 cases yesterday and 1,243 deaths.

Just over 217.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,055 deaths sees CMR fall to 1.665% and active cases at 39.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 9M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global deaths set a new daily high of 15,500;
Europe passes 600k deaths;
South America passes 14M cases;

Only -
Malaysia (3,309); and
UAE (3,243);

... recorded a new daily high; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[prydey]

How many of the Australians that are 'stranded' overseas have dual citizenship and overseas is actually their primary place of residence, but are now playing their Australian citizen card because Australia is not really affected by the virus in comparison to where they are?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by prydey

How many of the Australians that are 'stranded' overseas have dual citizenship and overseas is actually their primary place of residence, but are now playing their Australian citizen card because Australia is not really affected by the virus in comparison to where they are?

I’d like to see these stats too.

The perception is a lot are returning from the sub-continent, but I’d like to know the numbers and the breakdown.

Good post Prydey.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by prydey

How many of the Australians that are 'stranded' overseas have dual citizenship and overseas is actually their primary place of residence, but are now playing their Australian citizen card because Australia is not really affected by the virus in comparison to where they are?

Lots when you listen to them being interviewed with their British and USA accents. I think the repatriation thing will become moot as the intake quota has dropped, air seats disappear and vaccines roll out around the world.

[b0son]

Surprised the government isnt cross-referencing who's been paying Aus tax and who hasnt, in determining the order in which people are being let back into the country.

[Tickford.]

NSW authorities are STILL trying to link FOURTEEN mystery COVID-19 cases

Four weeks on from discovering the northern beaches outbreak, NSW Health is still trying to link 14 recent coronavirus cases to known clusters.

Five locally-acquired coronavirus cases were reported on Tuesday from just under 15,000 tests.

The origins of two new cases - one on the northern beaches and one in Blacktown - are so far unknown.

All up, 12 cases found since December 16 are still being investigated by NSW contact tracers, including three detected before Christmas.

A further two cases - from the Canterbury-Bankstown and Lane Cove council areas - have been fully investigated without any link found.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...ases-c-1945180

[Tickford.]

Is this what it has come to? In front of children? Seriously NSW??

Man accused of stabbing attack during face mask argument at Windsor shopping centre

NSW Police have charged a man who allegedly assaulted a security guard and stabbed another person during an argument over a face mask at a shopping centre in Sydney's west.

Police allege Dylan Lewis Creswell, 25, a woman and two children were at the centre in Windsor when a security guard asked the woman to put a mask on about 8.20pm yesterday.

A short time later, Mr Creswell allegedly approached the security guard — a 59-year-old man — and punched him several times.

Police allege a member of the public — a 53-year-old man — intervened.

They allege Mr Creswell pulled out a knife and stabbed the older man in the leg.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...ndsor/13054384


The 'we got to live with the virus' strategy is doing wonders for NSW's mental health obviously.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Is this what it has come to? In front of children? Seriously NSW??

Man accused of stabbing attack during face mask argument at Windsor shopping centre



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...ndsor/13054384


The 'we got to live with the virus' strategy is doing wonders for NSW's mental health obviously.

So you reckon it is the fault of NSW govt that some D.H leaves his brain at home when he takes the family to the shops ?????????

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by prydey

How many of the Australians that are 'stranded' overseas have dual citizenship and overseas is actually their primary place of residence, but are now playing their Australian citizen card because Australia is not really affected by the virus in comparison to where they are?

We've had the same thoughts at home.


And the number of people I have found to have returned to Australia and left and returned again during this time is astounding.
One story was of a male returning twice for a relatives illness and then death. They missed the last visit and the funeral due to quarantining, effectively travelling back and forth across the globe for nothing
I don't get how its been allowed when others are complaining about trying to legitimately get home.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

This is a nice picture and all, but it is not based on raw data, mine is based on their raw data.



If anyone thinks Coronavirus should be compared to an average of the last 5 years I can do that on raw data.
But to say the lat year is average is a tad crazier than me.
I reckon comparing to a known bad flu year makes the most sense.
I did not save the chart, but comparing total deaths ytd to the last 5 year average pushed the difference up 2-3%

Did you click on the link? It's a data visualisation tool based on the raw data. You select the data set and it graphs it.

Not sure what your quals and experience is for this sort of analytics but generally it's a bit more involved than "I can make charts in Excel" to make sense of the raw data.

Anyways, carry on....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Is this what it has come to? In front of children? Seriously NSW??

Man accused of stabbing attack during face mask argument at Windsor shopping centre



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...ndsor/13054384


The 'we got to live with the virus' strategy is doing wonders for NSW's mental health obviously.

I bet this nut job, was still a nut job pre-covid. Trash is trash.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Is this what it has come to? In front of children? Seriously NSW??

Man accused of stabbing attack during face mask argument at Windsor shopping centre

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

So you reckon it is the fault of NSW govt that some D.H leaves his brain at home when he takes the family to the shops ?????????

Partly, yes.

Firstly, we saw a little bit of this type of behaviour (not to this extent but) during the first nationwide lockdown last March-April. People on edge about 'catching the virus', and having to watch what you do, touch, etc, etc. Stress and anxiety builds which led to fights and arguments. When there's unknown community transmission as there currently is in NSW, stress and/or anxiety tends to be a bit higher and it build up in some people. Which probably results in this kind of behaviour.

Secondly, when your state leader is never ever seen wearing a mask, and then a security guard at the shops tells you to wear a mask, some might react negatively towards his request. Have you seen what has been happening in the USA the last few months for example? Whether you like to believe it or not, some people do 'follow the leader'. Trump is an anti-masker. Look what happened there. Berejiklian, (though not in the same anti-masker league as Trump), sends the same signals to her people by being an anti-masker.

There's an interesting video that has been circulating on social media. In short description, NSW health officials are meeting in a room, all are wearing masks. Berejiklian walks in, everyone removes their masks. This was before masks were mandated in NSW. No firm details on when and where this meeting occurred, so not going to post, until I have firm details.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Is that the NSW Gold Standard contact tracing, plane?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Is this what it has come to? In front of children? Seriously NSW??

Man accused of stabbing attack during face mask argument at Windsor shopping centre



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...ndsor/13054384


The 'we got to live with the virus' strategy is doing wonders for NSW's mental health obviously.

Wouldn't go as far as to blame NSW's strategy, but setting half assed rules is sure to pit residents against each other.

Just one of a few unsavory CV related incidents coming to light in the last few days. Two over masks, one over Vic's premier. Not hard to guess where these nutters get their ideologies from.

[GasoLane]

Your constant bashing of NSW is childish and becoming very tedious. It's time you thought up something else to whinge about on your drive home from work.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Your constant bashing of NSW is childish and becoming very tedious.

I think you might be slightly exaggerating with "constant NSW bashing". Informative, and/or concerned posts maybe.

The rest of Australia is concerned with what is going on in NSW, and how the NSW strategy could effect the rest of Australia if their strategy fails. As we've seen happen already.

And maybe also, slightly in counter to a certain someone's posts that seem to always be, as you like to put it "constantly bashing"; of VIC, and other Labor states. But you seem to ignore that fact, and have not once said anything. Has it anything to do with he is also from NSW as you are?

ps: What makes you think I drive home from work? Or work?
I could be an old grump who sits in front of my computer trolling these forums 20 hours a day. I should get a life hey?

[PG2]

There is never an excuse to assault someone else, particularly someone who is just trying to do their job to the best of their ability. People should be able to go to work and feel safe - not worry about being assaulted.

For those of that think it is OK to assault someone because the Government has made some obscure rule should be ashamed of themselves.

Also, I won't just stand by and let you use this forum to advocate that sort of disgusting behaviour.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

I be an old grump who sits in front of my computer trolling these forums 20 hours a day. I should get a life hey?

Fixed