Covid 19 -

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by cheap

All it takes is for someone in the crowd to raise their hand "I won the lottery..."

Yes, it is a stupid analogy. And I believe we have a second blood clot case now.

The 1 in 250,000 includes the second case. As of a couple of days ago, ~700,000 people had been given the AZ.


J&J now being halted due to clotting concerns. J&J uses similar tech as AZ. Gov said they are not looking to do deals with J&J for this reason.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 13th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

7 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.089%.

4 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.005% and active cases 102.

The UK had a lower 2,471 cases yesterday and 23 deaths.

Just over 61.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 523 deaths sees CMR at 1.802%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 138M, the last 1M in 1 day;
The USA passes 32M cases;
South America passes 600k deaths;
Asia sets a new daily case high of 332,320;

Burundi (108);
Mongolia (885);
Iran (24,760);
Argentina (27,001);
Turkey (59,187); and
India (185,248)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while the Ivory Coast drops below.

[DJR-351]

EU throws weight behind Pfizer vaccine as Denmark cuts AstraZeneca completely from its rollout

https://www.9news.com.au/world/denma...1-353cdd2fe94a

In a stinging rebuke to pharma giant AstraZeneca, the European Union has announced plans to negotiate a massive contract extension for Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine, insisting the 27-nation bloc had to go with companies that had shown their value in the pandemic.

"We need to focus on technologies that have proven their worth," EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

She announced America's Pfizer and Germany's BioNTech would provide the EU with an extra 50 million doses in the second quarter of this year, making up for faltering deliveries of AstraZeneca.

In contrast to the oft-criticised Anglo-Swedish company, Ms von der Leyen said Pfizer-BioNTech had "proven to be a reliable partner. It has delivered on its commitments, and it is responsive to our needs. This is to the immediate benefit of EU citizens."

Exacerbating the problems for AstraZeneca, Denmark decided on Wednesday not to resume use of its vaccine, after putting it on hold last month following reports of rare blood clots in some recipients.

The bulk of the shots given in the Scandinavian country so far have been the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

Australia's already-delayed vaccine rollout took a major hit last week with new advice for Australians under the age of 50 to be offered an alternative to AstraZeneca.

Denmark fears 'real risk of severe side effects'

The UK and much of Europe took similar measures but Denmark is the first European nation to completely cease using the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker's jab.

Others had temporarily halted the use of AstraZeneca whilst the rare blood clots were investigated but numerous drug advisory groups reiterated the vaccine's benefits outweighed any risks.

"Based on the scientific findings, our overall assessment is there is a real risk of severe side effects associated with using the COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca," Danish Health Authority director-general Søren Brostrøm said in a statement on Wednesday.

"We have, therefore, decided to remove the vaccine from our vaccination programme."

Dr Brostrøm said the DHA agreed with the European Medicines Agency's risk-benefit analysis for the AstraZeneca vaccine but highlighted the agency's advice to take the local virus situation into account.

"In the midst of an epidemic, it has been a difficult decision to continue our vaccination programme without an effective and readily available vaccine against COVID-19," he said.

"However, we have other vaccines at our disposal, and the epidemic is currently under control.

"Furthermore, we have come a long way towards vaccinating the older age groups where vaccination has a tremendous potential impact on preventing infection."

Crushing pressure on lagging EU

The Johnson & Johnson jab, which uses the same base technology as AstraZeneca, hit a snag this week when US regulators recommended a "pause" in administering shots. Deliveries in the EU have been suspended.

AstraZeneca was supposed to be the workhorse of the EU's vaccine drive this year — a cheap and easy-to-transport shot to break the pandemic's back.

Yet, the EU said out of 120 million doses promised for the first quarter, only 30 million were delivered, and, of the 180 million expected, now there are only 70 million set for delivery in the second quarter.

Because of that shortfall, the EU has come under crushing pressure as, even though it is a major producer and exporter of vaccines, it cannot immunise its citizens at even close to the levels of the United Kingdom and the United States.

The Our World in Data site said 47.5 per cent of people in the UK had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine, compared to 36.6 per cent in the US and 16.4 per cent in the EU.

Now, Pfizer-BioNTech could well become the key to beating the pandemic on the continent.

With 200 million doses from the company already earmarked for the bloc this quarter, the 50 million additional deliveries will be especially welcomed by EU nations dealing with supply delays and concerns over rare blood clots potentially linked to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.

Von der Leyen said the EU will start negotiating to buy 1.8 billion doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine through 2023.

"It will entail that not only the production of the vaccines, but also all essential components, will be based in the EU," Ms von der Leyen said.

The European Commission currently has a portfolio of 2.3 billion doses from half a dozen companies and is negotiating more contracts.

Ms Von der Leyen expressed full confidence in the technology used for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which is different from that behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.

The active ingredient in the Pfizer-BioNTech shot is messenger RNA, or mRNA, which contains the instructions for human cells to construct a harmless piece of the coronavirus called the spike protein.

The human immune system recognises the spike protein as foreign, allowing it to mount a response against the virus upon infection.

AstraZeneca's is made with a cold virus that sneaks the spike protein gene into the body.

It's a very different, if more traditional, form of manufacturing: Living cells in giant bioreactors grow that cold virus, which is extracted and purified.

Ms Von der Leyen said Europe needs to have a technology that can boost immunity, tackle new variants and produce shots quickly and massively.

"mRNA vaccines are a clear case in point," she said.

The planned negotiations with Pfizer left in the middle what the EU would do about any new contracts with AstraZeneca. "Other contracts, with other companies, may follow," Ms von der Leyen said.

[Citroënbender]

What a mess!

I feel torn; while greatly concerned by the haste and implied mandation of coronavirus vaccines, we now have a situation where significant financial outlay (on certain vaccines) looks as though it’s going to landfill/recycling. I hate buying something to use, which is then not used!

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 14th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

16 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.087%.

2 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.004% and active cases 101.

The UK had a higher 2,491 cases yesterday and 38 deaths.

Just under 78k new cases in the USA yesterday and 816 deaths sees CMR at 1.800%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Europe passes 42M cases;
North America passes 37M cases;
Asia passes 32M cases;
India passes 14M cases;
Asia sets a new daily case high of 353,135;

Cabo Verde (294);
Mongolia (1,220);
Thailand (1,335);
Iran (25,582);
Germany (32,546) - the previous high on 6/12/20;
Turkey (62,797); and
India (199,569)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and none drop below.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

What a mess!

I feel torn; while greatly concerned by the haste and implied mandation of coronavirus vaccines, we now have a situation where significant financial outlay (on certain vaccines) looks as though it’s going to landfill/recycling. I hate buying something to use, which is then not used!

Trust our government to hedge it's bets on the cheapest option. Instead of using 3 or 4. That worked out well

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Trust our government to hedge it's bets on the cheapest option. Instead of using 3 or 4. That worked out well

AZ is cheap because they are providing at cost price. Good on em, just a shame about the side effects.
We are also still very early with Pfizer, it's only been 2 months since mass vaccination rolled out, so who knows what the next few months might bring.

My dad got the AZ, yesterday. Has felt nothing.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

AZ is cheap because they are providing at cost price. Good on em, just a shame about the side effects.
We are also still very early with Pfizer, it's only been 2 months since mass vaccination rolled out, so who knows what the next few months might bring.

My dad got the AZ, yesterday. Has felt nothing.

I'm booked in for the next fortnight to get the AZ jab and would recommend people to talk their GP about the vaccine options, GP's will be able to offer more informed information compared to what people are getting from any media outlets, internet or forums.

Cheers

[buggerlugs]

Federal health authorities are investigating the death of a 48-year-old diabetic woman in NSW, who developed blood clots after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Federal health authorities are investigating the death of a 48-year-old diabetic woman in NSW, who developed blood clots after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine

It's disappointing that she died. Overseas news articles have been talking about treatment options for these clots, I wonder what treatment her docs were giving.

[zilo]

Just had a look and a laugh at the posts in this thread from just 6 months ago.

To mask or not to mask, do under 12's spread the virus...etc etc

Some people were absolutely shouted down for being worried about these hastily delivered vaccines....

My prediction is be prepared for more intrusion into our lives by governments looking to "protect us" from ourselves and offensive corporate types like the Qantas leprechaun imposing denial of services if you haven't got a tattoo on your ear confirming your vaccine status.

Soon anyone without a vaccination will be a terrorist who is deploying a weapon of mass destruction...

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Federal health authorities are investigating the death of a 48-year-old diabetic woman in NSW, who developed blood clots after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine

There will understandably be a lot of questions to come.

What I don't understand is they know she was vaccinated so why not report which one?

Originally Posted by zilo

My prediction is be prepared for more intrusion into our lives by governments looking to "protect us" from ourselves and offensive corporate types like the Qantas leprechaun imposing denial of services if you haven't got a tattoo on your ear confirming your vaccine status.

You're already tracked and monitored electronically, your every movement is already captured and recorded. How could you possibly be intruded upon further and why is that somehow worse than the monitoring you're already under?

All that's being asked of you is to not infect others. There's nothing stopping you from infecting yourself, the government aren't out to protect you from yourself if you're so inclined, they're out to prevent you from then giving it to others who didn't ask for it. I'm not sure why it's a difficult concept. Just consider other people.

[CoupeKing]

Pre-existing condition. Most likely a bad diet but it also could be genetics.

Pro tip in life, don't take dietary advice from someone that has been obese all their life.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by leesa

You're already tracked and monitored electronically, your every movement is already captured and recorded. How could you possibly be intruded upon further and why is that somehow worse than the monitoring you're already under?

All that's being asked of you is to not infect others. There's nothing stopping you from infecting yourself, the government aren't out to protect you from yourself if you're so inclined, they're out to prevent you from then giving it to others who didn't ask for it. I'm not sure why it's a difficult concept. Just consider other people.

Please just...go away...don't PM me anymore ok?

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by leesa

You're already tracked and monitored electronically, your every movement is already captured and recorded. ...

I am guessing you use google services

Originally Posted by EgoFG

I am guessing you use google services

No, why?

[T3rminator]

So the lady that passed away took the vaccine last Friday. Last Thursday the announcement came out that AZ was not recommended for under 50s. The lady was 48. Hmmmm

She was diabetic, but otherwise in good health.

Close to 2m people in Australia have diabetes.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by leesa

You're already tracked and monitored electronically, your every movement is already captured and recorded. How could you possibly be intruded upon further and why is that somehow worse than the monitoring you're already under?

Lolwot
Tin foil brigade

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news lads, but the country already knows plenty about you. I'm okay with it, it's just the way it is in a modern world. It's sort of laughable that you think the government has some sort of ulterior motive around a vaccine rollout during a global pandemic. Why would they? They have plenty already.

It sounds similar to the people who think they're going to be implanted with microchips if they get vaccinated. You practically carry a 'microchip' around in your hand every day, your life hasn't been ruined over it, it's no big deal.

Originally Posted by DJM83

Lolwot
Tin foil brigade

No accusations of tinfoilery for the one thinking tattoos are going to be implemented so as to track our vaccine status?

Originally Posted by zilo

Please just...go away...don't PM me anymore ok?

Just stop speaking nonsense then?

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 15th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

15 new cases for Australia and 1 death (14/4) so the CMR is 3.089%.

2 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.003% and active cases 101.

The UK had a higher 2,671 cases yesterday and 30 deaths.

Just under 79k new cases in the USA yesterday and 921 deaths sees CMR at 1.798%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 139M, the last 1M in 2 days;
South America passes 23M cases;
France passes 100k deaths;
Asia sets a new daily case high of 371,874;

Guyana (153);
Madagascar (859) - the previous high on 22/7/20;
Thailand (1,543);
Honduras (1,510);
Peru (13,326); and
India (216,850)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and none drop below.

[russellw]

India is having a rough time of it lately. They passed Brazil for the 2nd highest case numbers and now have more than 10% of all cases.

They have averaged more than 175k cases per day over the last 7 days and each of the last 3 days has set a new daily record.

[DJR-351]

Third vaccine jab 'likely needed within a year' Pfizer CEO says

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...a-year-_160421

The CEO of Pfizer says people will likely need a third dose of the company's COVID-19 vaccine within a year of being fully vaccinated.

"The likely scenario is there be a likely need for a third dose, somewhere between six and 12 months," Albert Bourla said.

"And from there, there will be an annual vaccination. But all of that needs to be confirmed. And again, the variants will play a key role."

The revelations could throw Australia's plans for the Pfizer jab into disarray, with only 40 million doses secured.

It adds to the national vaccine woes, with Prime Minister Scott Morrison yesterday indicating mass vaccination hubs could play a key role in a re-vamped rollout.

About 1.3 million Australians have so far been vaccine with the AstraZeneca jab, supplies of which remain low as the European Union interferes with exports.

There are also fears of adverse reactions to the AstraZeneca vaccine, with an investigation underway into the death of a woman who developed blood clotting not long after receiving a COVID-19 jab.

A link between her death and the vaccination has not been confirmed, and it is not known which vaccine she received, but very rare blood clotting reactions been linked to the AstraZeneca jab, with Denmark and South Africa halting their rollouts completely.

Health authorities in Australia have emphasised that the vaccine is safe for people over 50, with adverse reactions adding up to just four in a million.

Pfizer is expected to be used for the majority of Australians under the age of 50.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

So the lady that passed away took the vaccine last Friday. Last Thursday the announcement came out that AZ was not recommended for under 50s. The lady was 48. Hmmmm

She was diabetic, but otherwise in good health.

Close to 2m people in Australia have diabetes.

So are they going to keep lowering the age limit? Can't see how anyone is suddenly going to be more susceptible to blood clots as soon as they hit 50.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Third vaccine jab 'likely needed within a year' Pfizer CEO says

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...a-year-_160421

Pfizer would be rubbing their hands in glee, at the thought of how much money they are going to make from having a continual supply of sheep lining up every few months for a new jab for the rest of their lives. They are already talking about having to get regular top ups to keep it effective.

Do anyone else see how messed up this is? All for a vaccine that won't stop you getting covid, nor does it actually stop it being transmitted, only reducing it.

What exactly is the long game here? The vaccines might help slow the spread, but it's not going to simply disappear. It will still be circulating. How do they expect our borders to open up to countries that have covid spreading around?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Pfizer would be rubbing their hands in glee, at the thought of how much money they are going to make from having a continual supply of sheep lining up every few months for a new jab for the rest of their lives. They are already talking about having to get regular top ups to keep it effective.

Do anyone else see how messed up this is? All for a vaccine that won't stop you getting covid, nor does it actually stop it being transmitted, only reducing it.

What exactly is the long game here? The vaccines might help slow the spread, but it's not going to simply disappear. It will still be circulating. How do they expect our borders to open up to countries that have covid spreading around?

No different to having a flu shot each year so what is the big deal?
In a few years time covid won't be seen as much of a problem., well that is my view.
Cheers

[jmack]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Pfizer would be rubbing their hands in glee, at the thought of how much money they are going to make from having a continual supply of sheep lining up every few months for a new jab for the rest of their lives. They are already talking about having to get regular top ups to keep it effective.

Do anyone else see how messed up this is? All for a vaccine that won't stop you getting covid, nor does it actually stop it being transmitted, only reducing it.

What exactly is the long game here? The vaccines might help slow the spread, but it's not going to simply disappear. It will still be circulating. How do they expect our borders to open up to countries that have covid spreading around?

you forgot to mention the reported 90 odd % recovery rate and the fact some people have to be tested to be informed they are sick.im not an anti vaxxer but this one aint for me.its a little suss that all pharma companies found a vaccine that quick and all around the same time and had to have indemnity signed off b4 release.corners had to have been cut

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Pfizer would be rubbing their hands in glee, at the thought of how much money they are going to make from having a continual supply of sheep lining up every few months for a new jab for the rest of their lives. They are already talking about having to get regular top ups to keep it effective.

Do anyone else see how messed up this is? All for a vaccine that won't stop you getting covid, nor does it actually stop it being transmitted, only reducing it.

What exactly is the long game here? The vaccines might help slow the spread, but it's not going to simply disappear. It will still be circulating. How do they expect our borders to open up to countries that have covid spreading around?

I'm waiting to be told of further unintended consequences from these vaccines, which will require yearly administration of an "antidote". Where did I put my time foil-hat?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

No different to having a flu shot each year so what is the big deal?
In a few years time covid won't be seen as much of a problem., well that is my view.
Cheers

Flu shot is once a year. The way they are talking is you will require booster shots multiple times per year for it to be effective.

You probably don't need it, but Pfizer can probably see the cash rolling in.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jmack

you forgot to mention the reported 90 odd % recovery rate and the fact some people have to be tested to be informed they are sick.im not an anti vaxxer but this one aint for me.its a little suss that all pharma companies found a vaccine that quick and all around the same time and had to have indemnity signed off b4 release.corners had to have been cut

I'm the same. Might be different if I was in an older age bracket, but those people have lived most their life anyway. I'd rather not introduce something completely unproven, and is already causing issues, into my body.

Not an anti-vaxxer either, i'm getting a whooping cough booster tomorrow, but this covid vaccine stinks to high hell. I'll let the other people be the guinea pigs.